Can someone tell me where all these Hillary fans are?

[garybeck]

I just don't understand where this "double digit" lead is coming from. Are these polls being done on Diebold machines or what? Even my mother, who I consider to be a "run of the mill" Democrat, "soccer mom" type (although soccer years are well in the past now). She's enamored with Obama and doesn't like Hillary. I don't think I've met a single person who is "Gung-ho for Hillary." Where the heck are all these people who like her? It almost reminds me of the millions of evangelical voters who didn't exist in 2004 but somehow showed up on election day.

[natrat]

1. perhaps the lead is the moron sheep contingent that believes anything if it's on the tv

[Captain Hilts]

5. Why insult those that support her? Is that necessary?

And I'm a Clarkie who's rooting for Richardson and Dodd right now.

I have enough confidence in my candidates that I don't feel the need to insult those that support other candidates.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. some of us are for her, largely because we feel like her largest problem is that she is a woman

specifically a woman who doesnt pretend her strength comes from her maternal instincts etc.

a large part of attacks against her are sexist. and that bothers me.

[dollie300]

35. Some of us really think she is the best candidate. Certainly much better

that the current creep in the office. Don't condemn her for being smart politician. If she were a man, many would not even question her positions even if they disagreed with her. This is one reason why the Republicans can always beat us up. They stick together, no matter what until they get the power positions they want.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. seconded, i dont think obama is much more liberal than hillary.

and far less experienced.

[Individualist]

39. Precisely. The neocons, their media mouthpieces and DLC want

everyone to think Hillary is the only candidate who is "electable". If Hillary is the nominee, then '08 will be a guaranteed win for the republicans.

[Dawgs]

2. Thank you. I have not met one person who is excited about Hillary.

I saw one bumper sticker for her (some old white dude in Georgia). That is it.

[robcon]

27. That's very revealing.

If you've never met an enthusiastic supporter of Hillary - who is the most popular candidate - doesn't that say something more about the width of your circle of acquaintances, than it does about Clinton?\

edit:spell

[Captain Hilts]

3. Our friendships and associations are very 'self-selecting' and aren't reliable....

as microcosms of the general population. We tend to hang with people - if only in income - like ourselves.

[Dawgs]

7. BS

I see all different kinds of Democrats, and not one of them likes Hillary. Although, I do meet a lot of Republicans that want to puke at the idea of her being President.

[Captain Hilts]

9. Just living in one region is not representative of the voting population.

BS to you!

ps. I was in polling for 8 years.

[Dawgs]

57. Who said I'm only talking to people in my "region"?

I talk to people all over the US. Not one supports Hillary. You don't see this as a bad thing?

[MGKrebs]

28. I was at a Dem rally in N. Georgia a few weeks ago

at which there was a straw poll. Clinton came in second to Edwards.
Come to Fulton Co. Dem meetings, there are some Clinton supporters there.


You can find out who donated to Clinton within any zip code you choose right here:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.asp

[Clark2008]

48. Well, I guess I just proved myself correct.

NO ONE has donated to her in my zip code, nor the zip code next to me.

Interesting.

Thanks for the link.

[Dawgs]

4. I'm really afraid that many women are supporting her just because she's a woman.

I hope not, but after the applause she got to the "woman" answer last night I wouldn't be surprised.

[durrrty libby]

12. Yes indeed. Millions of us will vote for her just because she is a woman

and because we are sure she will impound all dawgs. WooHoo

[LostinVA]

19. OMFG -- what a statement on a liberal message board

[Dawgs]

56. Why?

You care to elaberate?

Do you think it's a good thing for someone to make a decision based on race or sex alone?

[LostinVA]

65. No -- I think it's a bad thing

I think you made an absolutely absurd and sexist assumption, as if women don't have criteria beyond "well, she's a woman."

[Dawgs]

66. Well, you thought wrong.

[LostinVA]

68. Oh boy -- then what were you trying to say?

[Captain Hilts]

22. Well, white men have been financially supporting and voting for white men for a long time. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. no, we are supporting her because attacks against her are frequently sexist

and i don't like kowtowing to sexism

[Forrest Greene]

30. I Don't Suppose

...there's any way you might possibly be "a sexist" yourself, is there? Didn't think so.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. nope. i would not have voted any woman in place. hillary clinton is a qualified woman

also when men claim they are victims of sexism, its almost as laughable as when white people claim to be victims of racism, or straight people who are victims of heterophobia.

:rofl:

[AngryOldDem]

53. I'd like to think that we as a gender have progressed a little from the time of Warren Harding

[drmom]

59. Absolutely...look what men have done to our country...

...I am proud to support Hillary. I think too many dems get stuck on specific issues. The problem is that change must occur on a more broad level before specific things (education, gay rights, freedom of choice, healthcare) can be improved. We need to get a good solid moderate democrat into the White House, fix the mess that all those old white men made, and only then can the many, many smaller problems be dealt with.

Do I agree with the idealism of Obama and Edwards more than the overall views of Clinton? Yes, but I would still vote for Clinton. We need a woman. Period.

[Hamlette]

6. my son works for a local election, he says everyone else is for Hillary

he's an Obama supporter.

[mwb970]

8. Apparently, they are all on the phone with pollsters. /nt

[WTF cubed]

10. While I'm leaning more towards Edwards or Kucinich at the moment,

My Parents (Mom, a yellow dog Dem and Father an Ex Repug) are both enamored with Hillary mainly for her efforts in the 90's to revamp health care and her perceived experience.

[TahitiNut]

14. "Some people say" Kucinich isn't tall enough. (How tall is Hillary?)

:dunce:

[WTF cubed]

16. LOL... He's only short because his wife is too tall!

:)

[CTyankee]

11. If polls are well designed and fairly run they are pretty good indicators.

Also, we can't go by our own family/friends/coworkers views as scientific. Remember, the margin of error gets smaller as the sample polled gets larger.

I knew maybe 2 or 3 people who voted for Reagan, not counting my mother. But at the time I lived in the D.C. area and worked for a liberal nonprofit organization. "Everybody" I knew voted for Mondale, and we know what happened!

[Clark2008]

49. Can we go by thousands of students from the business community?

I work for a computer learning center and I know of NO ONE who supports her.

I don't just limit myself to co-workers/family/friends.

[CTyankee]

54. No, we can't. Your sample is just too small.

I'm not saying that just to be meanspirited. It's just the way it is (unless of course there are underlying problems in the poll that skew the data, such as what happened in the famous "Dewey wins!" headlinein 1948)

[sniffa]

13. Look at DU for chris' sake

[durrrty libby]

15. DU is not an indicator of the general public for chris'sake

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. I Know Tons Of People Who Are Fans Of Hers. And Last Night I Thought She Did Great Too.

I think she'd make an excellent president.

[LostinVA]

18. Me

And, I am NOT a "soccer mom type."

[mod mom]

21. Just like DoJ, elections, MSM-the pollsters have been infilitrated.

EXAMPLE:

Fritz Wenzel (of T.Blade + Coingate fame) Now Working for Zogby


Weird...He allegedly suppresses Coingate story prior to the '04 Election in Ohio and is now working for Zogby. What's up with this?


Saving Ohio

Did a reporter with GOP ties suppress a story that could have cost Bush the White House?

By Bill Frogameni

Pages 1 2


October 6, 2005 | In April 2005, the Blade newspaper of Toledo, Ohio, began publishing a remarkable series of articles about a well-connected Republican donor, Tom Noe, chair of the Bush-Cheney 2004 campaign for Lucas County, which encompasses Toledo. The Blade, which had won a Pulitzer Prize for reporting in 2004, discovered that Noe, a Toledo coin dealer, was investing $50 million for the state through the novel practice of coin speculation: buying and selling rare coins to turn a profit. Noe, the Blade revealed, could not account for $10 million to $13 million in the fund.

The paper also divulged that Noe had been placed under federal investigation for allegedly laundering money -- perhaps state money -- to the Bush campaign. The Blade's initial reports on Noe started a chain reaction of related scandals for Ohio's dominant Republicans. Recently, Gov. Bob Taft pleaded no contest to accepting several gifts from influence peddlers -- including Noe -- without reporting them, as law requires. Noe is currently the subject of 13 investigations.

In November 2004, Lucas County was among the most hotly contested areas in the most hotly contested state. Kerry won the county by 45,000 votes, but George W. Bush went on to win Ohio by less than 120,000 votes, which swung the election for him.


But Bush's reelection may have been made possible by a Blade reporter with close ties to the Republican Party who reportedly knew about Noe's potential campaign violations in early 2004 but suppressed the story.

According to several knowledgeable sources, the Blade's chief political columnist, Fritz Wenzel, was told of Noe's potential campaign violations as early as January 2004. But according to Blade editors, Wenzel never gave the paper the all-important tip in early 2004.



-SNIP
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/10/06/ohio/index.html



Zogby International spokesman Fritz Wenzel said that was the case in July when Syracuse Post-Standard reporter Glenn Coin wrote a story about Vice President Cheney’s visit to Utica for a fundraiser for Meier. Wenzel was quoted extensively in the article.

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=13587



However, as it turns out, both Wenzel and his son had personal relationships with the Noes, who even attended the son's wedding.

In fact, in March 2004, a couple of months after Wenzel got the tip, his son was elected to the Lucas County Republican Central Committee, and from April 15, 2005, to the end of May 2005, Wenzel's son was on the payroll of the Ohio Republican Party.

http://www.counterpunch.org/pringle06092006.html

[Captain Hilts]

23. If she promises to get rid of those huge rolls of TP in public restrooms, she's got my vote. Until..

then, I'm still a Clarkie/Richardson/Dodd fan.

[Minimus]

24. I'm a fan - I still have not chosen the candidate I will support, but I have always been a fan of HC

[robcon]

26. I like Hillary, like a lot of Democrats.

Most Democratic candidates are acceptable to me, but my favorite is Clinton, and I think she'll be the next president.

She's EXTREMELY popular in my state, New York, and I've voted for her for Senator twice, and expect to vote for her in 2008 for president.

[natrat]

29. people really ought to be open to the possibility that Hil, like Bill, will end up screwing us

[EFerrari]

32. We've been told for years now that she's the winner so

I wouldn't be surprised if some people are simply going with "the winner" -- like my four year old brother did when watching "Tora Tora Tora!" because it looked like Japan was going to win. :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. i dont think so, i think we have been told that she is divisive

[EFerrari]

36. There has been that message, too, I agree!

So, the Republican media has been telling us that the Democrats will nominate HRC AND that she is divisive.

[leftchick]

52. I agree

the media focuses 90% of the campaign attention on her and walla! She has phoney double digits because the media tells us she will be the candidate. I do not know a single true liberal that likes her or will vote for her. She is divisive to the left, right and middle. Perhaps that is why the Corporate media loves her? She is actually the most pro-war/pro-corporate/least liberal in the bunch. A lot of people are fooled.

:puke:

[mondo joe]

33. And I've never talked to anyone who told me they voted for Bush. But I do

know they're out there.

[ComerPerro]

37. name recognition still

[ThomWV]

38. No one that I know that follows politics supports her above any other wanna be

I just don't personally know a single person who actually supports her. I do know quite a few people who actively campaign against her in favor of another and speaking for my self she shows me nothing.

[xultar]

40. I'm a Hillary fan.

[JVS]

42. My mom likes Hillary, but she dated Romney back in the days, so her taste in politicians is suspect.

;-)

[KharmaTrain]

43. Walk A Precinct, Do A Canvass

You'll be surprised how strong feelings for Hillary are...both pro and con...and I'm saying Democrats as much as Repugnicans. Being in Illinois, we have a "hometown favorite"...but even here there's a strong support for Mrs. Clinton developing in the "traditional" Democratic voting blocs...mostly middle income, blue collar people...a lot of ethnics...who don't see her, but see "Billary".

Some are soccer moms who feel betrayed by the Repugnicans on a myriad of issues...but there's also older people who suffer under high medical costs or the threat of them as far more of a threat than A-rabs flying planes into their heads. There are younger people who were a hidden factor in '06 and will be a bigger factor in '08...and she does very well...along with Obama in that group.

Keep in mind, polls now are mere popularity contests. People who are sampled get a few seconds on each candidate or issue and its usually an up or down question. As the primaries get closer and the field thins, then people will take a harder look at what's going on and we'll see if Hillary can seal the deal.

[NewJeffCT]

44. DU is not an indicator of the electorate at large, or even the Democratic Party

We're the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

If it was up to DU to decide, Kucinich would be a frontrunner with Edwards, while Hillary and Obama would be middle of the pack.

Yet, when Kucinich ran in 2004, he got less than 5% support among Democrats, if I recall, and was really not a factor, but was over 30% on DU.

[dkofos]

45. They appear to be in the hearts and minds of the M$M and the polsters!!

[Vinca]

46. I'm thinking Obama is attracting younger people who are more apt

to just have cell phones and would not, as a consequence, be polled. The primaries should be really interesting.

[MGKrebs]

51. But Obama is in danger of experiencing the Dean Effect.

Lot's of young people, donating small amounts and volunteering to help, but not showing up to vote. presumably Team Obama has a plan to do better than Dean (Trippi) did.

[DURHAM D]

47. Maybe you should get out more. eom

[Lindsey]

55. I feel that the media is pumping her up to so they can slam her

relentlesly if she wins the primary. IMHO she will mobilize people who would otherwise not vote who will vote AGAINST her because of their strong hatred of her (justified or not). I don't know anyone either who is for her. The possibility scares me.

[Chichiri]

50. I like Hillary well enough.

She's not my first choice, but she ain't bad either. As for where all her support is coming from, yeah, it's the women.

She's also our best shot at the White House -- possibly our only shot, if Thompson wins the puker nomination.

[onecent]

58. Gary, I have the same feeling about this you do. I don't know of one

person in my life right now that IS voting for Hilary.

I will vote for her if she is the candidate for the democratic party, but I'm like you...

The wool is being pulled over the eys...CNN, MSNBC and FAUX are putting out whatever the fuck they want you to believe....and DON'T THINK THEY AREN'T.

None of them....NOT ONE... reported anything newsworthy re: Gonzales today.

I have alot of friends that know I'm crazy about politics..and hate the dictator in office.....so I listen...and they talk....

None of them EVER UNDERSTOOD what the Valerie Plame deal was about. And most of them didn't know Gonzales was being questioned today about anything....

So much for our media. Media must be dealt with before we can WIN!!!

[misternormal]

60. To support a candidate...

...simply because she is female, and you are female, or because the candidate is black, or hispanic, or eskimo, or anything, simply because you are is, to say the least, short sighted and ridiculous.

The candidate that gets my support will be the candidate that most closely matches my political stance.

I've not heard enough yet to decide.

[zippy890]

61. its all about the MONEY. MONEY. MONEY. MONEY.

I don't know where all her supporters are, I don't know any.

BUT SHE HAS THE MOST MONEY SO SHE'S THE FRONT RUNNER.

I am so sick about hearing about how much each candidate has, week by week, month by month, quarter by quarter fucking quarter.

Is that what it all comes down to? How much FUCKING MONEY they have?

The answer is yes,

and yes, we're fucked because of it.

[ismnotwasm]

62. I know a few people

Who are very supportive of her candidacy.

[Alexander]

63. Everyone thought Thomas Dewey would crush Harry Truman...

Even though not many people really liked Dewey.

I feel Hillary's support is the same - a mile wide and an inch deep.

If she wins the primary, I'll need a quintuple bypass.

[AnnieBW]

64. Not on DU

[Atman]

67. Likewise, I've never met a Hillary Clinton supporter.

And I'm as "Democratic" as they come. But I've never, not once, discussed the coming elections with anyone who says they'll be supporting Clinton. Not once. Everyone says the same things...She's too grating, too polarizing, or we just need some new energy, new faces.

I, too, think Clinton is simply the next "selection" made by the powers that be. The media will force her on us, because she is basically the Repubican's only hope of winning anything for a long time to come. Clinton will bring out the serious haters who might otherwise be tempted to stay home rather than vote for any of the current batch of Republican criminals.

.

[jonnyblitz]

69. I finally met one!! the librarian at my local public library is a fan.

she made comments while I was checking the Carl Berstein Hillary book out of the library. She is a very nice person and I respect her views.

I live in CT so I am sure there are plenty of wealthy limousine liberals that are just fine with her, I just don't run with that crowd here (or live in "that" part of CT) so I don't talk to them.