**************OFFICIAL THREAD 7 FOR SENATE JUDICIARY****

[bdamomma]

THREAD 6 HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1419375&mesg_id=1419375

[helderheid]

1. REC AND WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[helderheid]

2. KICK!!

[spanone]

3. another rec

[bobthedrummer]

4. TORTURE

[The Cleaner]

5. Daym, Schumer LAID INTO Gonzo like hell!

Wow! He said "I think we have to pursue this."

[quiet.american]

10. Hello! And yea! to Leahy, who agreed it must be pursued. n/t

[rodeodance]

61. and Gonzo named the WPOst reporter who susposedly G. 'clarified"

[AndyA]

6. Rec #5... n/m

WOW is right!

[Blackhatjack]

7. Gonzo just admitted 'other intelligence activities' other than the one program...

Now we are getting to the hidden programs that Gonzo has misled about.

[helderheid]

8. Torture - Gonzo saying there are excpetions???

[WinkyDink]

12. I'd challenge him to volunteer to undergo some of the "excepted" techniques.

[AndyA]

9. Durbin up now. Fry his sorry ass, Dick! n/m

[LSK]

14. Durbin bringing up torture

[LSK]

11. wow, I have to catch my breath after Schumers session

[flyarm]

13. looks to me the dems were waiting for repigs to be gone..then real attack is going forward..

[KoKo]

15. Is Gonzo smirking through Durbin's questions...my screen is to dark to see it clearly

[WinkyDink]

19. Doesn't seem so. Although he IS playing dumb.

[helderheid]

16. Gonzo has so many "tells" - laughing seems to be the one when he knows he's FUCKED.

[bdamomma]

17. oh whew, baby,I think Whitehouse started all this just mentioned

one thing and it snowballed. Wow give it to him!!!!!

[flyarm]

18. gonzo totally caught lying..

[LSK]

20. Senator Im not going to get in a public discussion on about techniques

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE, THEY ARE ILLEGAL

[LiberalFighter]

129. Should had come back with "Why? Because you know it's illegal?"

[spanone]

21. he's a smart-ass of the highest order

[Blackhatjack]

22. Have you ever heard a more lame explanation than Gonzo's to Schumer?

I changed and corrected my erroneous testimony two days later by talking to a Washington Post reporter, but I did not actually talk to the reporter and aide did, and BTW I don't know what my aide said.

[LSK]

26. I clarified my statement to a reporter before I didnt clarfiy it to a reporter

Flippity floppity Flippity floppity Flippity floppity

[Bonobo]

53. FRSAOM!

(Fried rice scattered all over monitor)

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:

[napi21]

23. Gonzo's Mom must have never taught him the first words any baby learns!

YES and NO!

[mod mom]

24. 1. painful stress positions 2. dogs 3. forced nudity 4. waterboarding 5. mock execution

[mod mom]

32. Would it be legal for a foreign gov to suBject US citizen to these methods?

[mod mom]

39. HE CAN'T FUCKING ANSWER THE QUESTION!

[originalpckelly]

HOLY SHIT- GONZO WON'T CALL WATERBOARDING TORTURE!

Not even stress positions or forced nudity!

[WinkyDink]

35. That's why he needs to experience it. NOW.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. OMG!! He will not get into possible torture techniques. He was asked point blank..

"do you acknowledge the torture techniques are beyond the law?"

He refuses to say YES!

[Oilwellian]

90. If he answered "yes"....

He'd be admitting to war crimes.

[dubyaD40web]

27. He's toast.

He knows it. You can hear it in his voice now.

[radfringe]

121. not REAL toast

until he's smothered in butter, dolloped generously with jam and buried up to his neck in a fire ant nest

[flyarm]

28. Durbin going after gonzo on illegally torturing! and pissing on geneva c.

[L. Coyote]

29. "I wish I could talk in more detail about specific actions" Gonzo

Well, how about talking to the people USG tortures?

[bdamomma]

30. hey guys, I need someone to take on the continuance of these

threads going to lunch now. ok?

[helderheid]

31. Would it be illegal if a foreign country did any of those 5 techniques to a US Citizen?

[Blackhatjack]

33. Level of obfuscation by Gonzo hit Red and stuck there....

[Inuca]

34. DUrbin: do you understand what you are saying?

The expression of disgust, almost horror, on Durbin's face while saying this (when G tried to wiggle about torture methods and when do they apply)

[quiet.american]

36. Gonzales constantly reminds me of how a kid would respond to "-- okay -- who broke the lamp?" n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

I'm reminded of the video of the child with his face covered in Cheeto's

And when the father asks if he was the one eating the Cheeto's he responds with wide eyes and a shake of his head, "uhh, uhh, not me."

[quiet.american]

64. :) n/t

[quiet.american]

126. Dupe.

[LSK]

37. he fucking doesnt even know what is legal or not

[WinkyDink]

48. And doesn't care. He exists to bring on the Dictatorship of Torture and Repression.

[marmar]

38. HE understands the question..... Slimy pathetic disgusting asshole....

I'm vehemently opposed to torture, but if Gonzo got waterboarded, I'd watch. :popcorn:

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. HOLY CRAP...would it be legal to torture U.S. citizens?" Would the torture techniques be ILLEGAL if

used against U.S. CITIZENS?" HE REFUSES TO SAY YES!!!!!!! HOLY fucking shit!!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

84. I'm just surprised he didn't respond "Are they a Democrat or a Republican?"

Unbelievable.

[bobthedrummer]

41. "Terror plot suspect WORKED for the CIA's airline that was used for extraordinary rendition"

(started by kpete 6-4-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1038783

[helderheid]

42. REFUSES TO ANSWER. Oh man impeach this asshole!

[pinto]

43. Nation's "top" lawyer won't (can't?) say what's legal, what's not.

:eyes:

[WinkyDink]

44. He is "recused" on specifics, and he refuses to address general questions. Neat trick!

[Canuckistanian]

45. I've never heard of this JAG report

Pretty damning for Gonzo.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

46. My stomach just heaved. OMG.

Gonzo refuses to answer question about torturing US Citizens.

[Solly Mack]

47. Arrest him! Good god damn people...America tortures and we treat the war criminals

as if they deserve respect and consideration

[WinkyDink]

They should at least stop calling him "Sir". SHOW contempt, if you can't ARREST him on it.

[Solly Mack]

97. Seriously..I'd call him a war criminal to his face with no problem

Fuck being polite to a war criminal

[bobthedrummer]

60. Let's do a citizen's arrest Solly-I'm serious, this is Nazi shit

[Solly Mack]

94. Oman, Bob, I'm sick...this is just plain sickening

Can we do that? Can we arrest the fuck?

[Bluebear]

49. "Obama...oh EXCUSE me, Osama!!"

:)

[Pawel K]

54. I can't believe he just said obama when talking about osama

WTF

[Pachamama]

70. It's disgusting...and it shows how easily the right wing can use simple things to propagandize and

that unconsciously people, even Dems, fall for it....

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. Done deliberately.

[marmar]

87. Durbin said "Obama" deliberately?

That I just can't see.

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. OOPS...I thought it was GONZO who said it. sorry! :(

[Bluebear]

89. Does Durbin not care for his fellow Illinois Senator>?

[AndyTiedye]

147. (deleted)

[bear425]

56. That was an "oopsie" moment. n/t

[WinkyDink]

71. THE one to make tonight's "news".

[bdamomma]

92. oh shit, freudian slip, obama on the mind perhaps torture gonsalves

[Blackhatjack]

50. "5 yrs later after GITMO created, not a single conviction" Durbin

[vanlassie]

51. Durbin: Your obfuscation does not reflect well on the United States' reputation

around the world

[flyarm]

52. Durbin pointed out this pres and gonzo have opened the door for american citzens to be tortured

by other nations!!

by signing statements and exec order.

[shadowknows69]

Meanwhile CNN is giving Bush screen time

talking about the war on terra

[shadowknows69]

Russ

how about impeaching this asswipe.

[WinkyDink]

78. Bush now speaks during these Hearings.

[bdamomma]

103. hmm....coincidence I don't think so. smells like a set up to me.

[Gregorian]

55. Thank you DU! Just tuning in.

I don't know what I would do without you.


Two minutes into it and Gonzo is dodging whether torturing American citizens would be wrong.

Argh! Empty souls and empty suuits.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

68. He magistrated over the most executions by a Governor in Texas. Do you expect

anything more from this ghoul?

[Pachamama]

57. Shit! Durbin just said "Obama" instead of Osama when wanting to refer to Osama bin Ladin

Ugh....I find this so offensive....It's as if they easily fall into the desires of the righties and are so easily used for their propaganda....

[marmar]

76. Obama and Durbin are pretty close....

It was a classic slipup, likely because he uses Obama's name often on other occassions.

[Blackhatjack]

58. Feingold up ... more popcorn!

[Solly Mack]

59. I can't believe America is STILL..after all this time..giving war criminals a voice

to justify their war crimes

let them defend their crimes in a court of law

[Canuckistanian]

62. Why hasn't there been a SINGLE CONVICTION? YES!

FINALLY, the question has been asked!!!

[LSK]

63. Feingold up, no Republicans there????

[LSK]

74. bringing up "disagreement with the program"

:popcorn:

[bobthedrummer]

65. Feingold

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. FEINGOLD up!!! Talking about his Censure of the psycho and TOP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS!!!

[mod mom]

67. FEINGOLD!!!!!!!!

[AndyA]

69. Feingold just announced he'll be introducing a resolution to censure

the President and high ranking members of his administration.

[Occulus]

105. OOooohhhh

Scary

:scared:

:sarcasm:

[Inuca]

72. Feingold

I will introduce censure motions shortly

[rodeodance]

75. Feingold tells G. that he has played a pivitol role in shirking the laws of the land

[Blackhatjack]

77. "Your testimony has been misleading at best..." Feingold

[helderheid]

82. and gonzo is "surprised"!

[mod mom]

79. FEINGOLD was briefed and his testimony was not correct-it's classified

[Blackhatjack]

80. LOL Gonzo accuses Feingold of not understanding the briefings...

[bobthedrummer]

88. Yeah, he was only a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee

[RufusTFirefly]

81. Look for the MSM to devote major time to the "Obama" goof

Anything to avoid confronting the ugly truth about the BFEE.

[WinkyDink]

83. He suggested Feingold didn't "understand" the intelligence he saw!

[Solly Mack]

85. Let's just open a dialogue with evil like we're going to get anywhere

explaining to evil why it's evil

[sinkingfeeling]

86. The little prick just told Feingold he was too dumb to understand security briefings!

[helderheid]

91. Feingold is pulling NO PUNCHES

[rodeodance]

93. G. is insinuating the Feingold does NOT understand the INTEL.

[Beelzebud]

95. Un-fucking-believable...

[myrna minx]

106. "How can you ask for blanket immunity for persons when you won't tell us

what you are asking immunity for?" Feingold.

Kennedy up.

[LiberalFighter]

139. Too bad Feingold didn't bring up that he is a Rhodes Scholar

What is Gonzales?

[rodeodance]

98. WHOW---FEINgold tells G. basically that he is a .......(lyer)--did NOT use that word.

[Blackhatjack]

99. Feingold just related that Gonzo lied at his confirmation hearing....

[rodeodance]

112. Gonzo's Loyality to Bush is bringing him DOWN!

[flyarm]

100. russ going after gonzo in illegal wiretapping and asking for immunity for this program

that gonzo won't even tell congress what they would be granting immunity for!!

[WinkyDink]

101. Dems must STOP with questions that allow Gonzo to respond: "I'm trying, really, I am.'

[Wednesdays]

108. However, Gonzo looks and sounds really humiliated about now

He's about to break down, cry, and plead for mercy

[myrna minx]

117. He is in wayyyyy over his head. n/t

[rocktivity]

114. Gonzo's telling the truth about THAT, at least

he's EXTREMELY trying!


rocknation

[footinmouth]

102. My dog is a more convincing liar

when caught with her paw in the cookie jar

[shadowknows69]

109. KENNEDY!!!!

Roast him alive Ted

[Blackhatjack]

104. Sen Kennedy up now...

[WinkyDink]

115. See? More of "I'll do my best in the future" crap. And why wasn't Gonzo already prepared??

[LSK]

107. Kennedy up, new thread?

[WinkyDink]

110. It's "Attorney-General", NOT "General"!

[bobthedrummer]

111. "A DU collaborative investigation: Thelma Colbert, Shannon Ross and other deaths at DoJ"

(started May 8, 2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x847120

[bdamomma]

113. hey everyone thread 8 below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=389

[Occulus]

120. uh

FYI- That goes to a new post page.

[Peace Patriot]

148. That's the wrong DU url. Not Thread 8. nt

[Solly Mack]

116. If anyone in that room gave a damn about torture - they'd arrest that man

Congress KNOWS America tortures...they know

they know America water-boards and they need to stop pretending water-boarding isn't torture

the Military Commissions Act of 2006 PROVES Congress knows...

[AndyA]

118. Feingold: "Mr. Gonzalez, you have pooped your pants. Have you not learned

when it's time to go to the rest room?"

Gonzo: "I'm trying, Senator, really, I am...I'm trying..."

:rofl:

[flyarm]

119. Kennedy going through prohibited torture

[flyarm]

122. gonzo.. some activities are not so clear..what a little fucker!!

[flyarm]

125. people this leaves each and everyone of us open to this type of torture by anyone who should

grab us when we travel outside this country..and i wonder even inside this country!!

[SpiralHawk]

123. Torture - "sexually indecent acts" Hmmmm - does this cover Diaper Sex?

I mean, we know Sen. David Vitter (R) is into Diaper Sex with hookers -- does this meant that according to Commander AWOL's executive Order, approved by Gonzo, Vitter is guilty of torture?

[rodeodance]

124. guess what folks-------GONZO is NOT improving the image of DOD!

[Norquist Nemesis]

127. Or the DOJ

:evilgrin: *wink*

[Beelzebud]

128. They fire people at McDonald's for less....

How does this motherfucker still have a job?

[quiet.american]

130. Gonzales runs the DoJ, and yet cannot answer a question about law without visiting a law library.

[Inuca]

131. Leahy --> Goodling

[Beelzebud]

132. "I don't recall being aware." What kind of fucking answer is that? Seriously?

If you or I tried that shit in a court of law, the judge would be all over us.

[Sweet Freedom]

135. The Reagan defense. /nt

[Inuca]

136. He has used this delicious turn of phrase in the past

[Sweet Freedom]

133. He wasn't aware

but if he had, he would know because it would have been troubling him.

So, he can't remember if he wa troubled?

[Inuca]

134. The return of the classics

" I do not recall being aware"

[Sweet Freedom]

137. Gonzo: I don't know if I've communicated with the WH about that.

Leahy: That might not be a bad idea (laughter)

[malta blue]

138. OMG - poor emotionally distraught Goodling.

What an ass Gonzo is

[JudyM]

140. Sexist bastard. Trying to console an "emotionally distraught woman."

[mod mom]

141. Brings up conversation between Monica Goodling & Gonzo. He tried to re-assure

her. She was emotionally distraught. Leahy said testimony 7 follow up was different.

Gonzo says nothing improper was done.

[Inuca]

142. Goodling meeting

"I was just trying to console this emotionally distraught woman" Feel free to interpret and create the mental images you are capable to stomach

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

143. In regard to Goodling...disturbing that he was trying to comfort an emotionally

distraught Woman. This feels very sexist to me. And BTW...total BS!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

144. Specter is challenging Gonzo on his loose use of the death penalty. eom

[Inuca]

146. And sounds deeply offended by this

[Inuca]

145. Specter threatening

credibility may be breacehd to the point of being actionable. When he ignores political maneuvering for a moment, Specter is an excellent legal mind, in as far as I can judge with my complete lack of legal background. Also sounds like a pretty decent human being somewhere deeply buried inside him.