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**************OFFICIAL THREAD 8 FOR SENATE JUDICIARY**** |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:08 AM
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1. Torture analysis -- asked for docs.... |
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3. Claims he does not know what docs might have been produced |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:09 AM
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6. Kennedy going after him again about torture... |
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...Gonzo better be careful here...
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:10 AM
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11. Kick him with your words Kennedy |
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please get this clown out of office!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:09 AM
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7. Questioning about the Exec Order on torture... |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:09 AM
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8. kennedy talking about waterboarding |
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why is that not prohibited?
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:10 AM
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9. Torture is SO ambiguous, don't you know?! |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:10 AM
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10. I'm so ashamed...I'm so sorry to everyone harmed by my government |
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for the love of all that is good and decent...arrest that man
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:10 AM
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12. Nothing Gonzo says has any credibility... he is just spinning |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:11 AM
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13. Kennedy is getting to Gonzo, his voice is really shaky. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:11 AM
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basically what is not list in the order is being used |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:11 AM
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14. Kennedy reading off prohibited torture techniques and asking why Gonzo won't prohibit the 5 Durbin |
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read off?
"Other activities that aren't so clear so I cannot comment on them."
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:11 AM
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15. because the asshole is using them |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:12 AM
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Kennedy: The fact that you say you wont use them is a violation of the Geneva Conventions |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:43 AM
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123. Bingo! Go Kennedy ~ Geneva is the magic word |
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The next magic word is HAGUE!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:12 AM
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17. and the CNN keeps the LEADER on screen, ignoring the actual news |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:12 AM
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:16 AM
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28. unbelieveable not very good examples for our children |
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do not grow up to be gonzo, he lies and lies.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:12 AM
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19. IF AMerica doesn't torture (and it DOES) then why did the MCA of 2006 |
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grant immunity to those who torture?
Why did it redefine torture and the War Crimes Act of 1996
LIAR!!! War Criminal!!!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:13 AM
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20. Kennedy talking about Peace Corps diplomats getting political briefings |
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And he's asking G if his department has received such briefings. Kennedy asking G if such briefings are a violation of the Hatch Act.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:13 AM
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21. Wait a minute, Ted asked if the DOJ issued any |
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Memorandums about the last executive order from the WH. Gonzo replies that the DOJ helped/advised the WH in the writing of it.
Is there anything wrong with that? That really shouldn't happen, right?
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:17 AM
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33. Theoretically, DOJ would be looking out for the People and preserving |
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our rights under the Constitution. In reality, DOJ is looking out for #43 and preserving his Presidency to do whatever whims he might have.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:22 AM
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56. I found that astonishing, The DOJ helps write these WH executive decisions |
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I thought Fielding and Addington did these things. I have a headache.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:37 AM
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120. The DOJ is no longer the DOJ. It's just the office of WH counsel on steroids. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:13 AM
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23. Gonzo wishes he knew what the Hatch Act was.... |
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"...let me get more information."
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:22 AM
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55. How can one in that position not know the Hatch Act? |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:13 AM
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24. Kennedy: Had Karl Rove given you political directives? |
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Gonzolas: I don;t believe so.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:14 AM
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:14 AM
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26. Kennedy and Durbin must have coordinated their questions |
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All the tortures that Durbin mentioned were NOT in the Executive Order.
So when Kennedy asked him about "the previously mentioned tortures", Gonzo couldn't deny that they were still "legal".
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:16 AM
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:15 AM
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27. now his memory is so good that he can remember someones testimony |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:16 AM
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30. Yes, that's called Lying. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:16 AM
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32. Selective memory lapse is an affliction sweeping the WH. n/t |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:16 AM
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29. AP: White House defends political briefings |
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White House defends political briefings
By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The White House said Tuesday that there was nothing improper about Bush administration political advisers briefing top diplomats about key congressional and gubernatorial races and President Bush's re-election goals.
"You've got political appointees getting political briefings," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Tuesday with a dose of sarcasm. "I'm shocked. Shocked."
Snow was asked about political briefings requested by six envoys — all political appointees, who were rewarded with coveted ambassadorial positions in western Europe for their long-standing ties to Bush and the Republican Party.
At the State Department, spokesman Sean McCormack said the briefings had not violated either the Hatch Act or the department's own "very strict guidelines" that bar partisan political activity by diplomats.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:17 AM
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34. OK here comes the Goodling questions..... |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:19 AM
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:17 AM
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35. Does this poisoned hobbit's accent bother anyone else? |
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..it sounds sooooooooooooooooooooo condescending....
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:19 AM
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38. Everything about him bothers me |
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he is such a snake - no offense to snakes, but I don't like them, either.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:28 AM
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87. Specter does not find Gonzo's testimony credible |
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Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 11:28 AM by Lasher
Committee will review your testimony very carefully
Edit: Oops, meant to post to the main OP
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:19 AM
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41. He's condescending. That's why his voice sounds that way. |
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Same with Bush.
Funny, I just discovered how it works, I think.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:18 AM
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36. Kennedy asks if something is against the Hatch Act. |
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Gonzo says he doesn't know, let me check on that.
(I just tuned in and didn't get all of Kennedy's question.)
Isn't it obvious that Gonzo is plain dumb beyond being a stooge for his commander? He can't answer anything. When he tries, he gives the wrong answer. Then later he has to correct it.
This man is our AG and he doesn't know anything. He needs to go!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:18 AM
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37. ANd here it is.... DId he attempt to shape Goodling's testimony? |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:20 AM
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48. "he was trying to console an emotionally distraught women" |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:19 AM
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40. the shit is hitting the fan, isn't it? |
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43. No kidding...he HAS to go...the Senate needs to remove him because the WH won't.. |
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44. We certainly wouldn't be hearing this discussion four years ago. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:19 AM
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42. The next time a cop or judge asks me a question I'll just say: "I don't recall being aware." |
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Because the chief law enforcement officer in the United States of America seems to think that is an acceptable answer to a question.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:20 AM
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45. All that previous inconsistent testimony sure makes it hard to lie today.... |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:20 AM
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46. What a fucking load of CRAP from Gonzo.... |
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...the tried to COMFORT Monica G!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:22 AM
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53. An obvious repulicon LIAR - lying to America, a republicon tradition |
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The republicons are incapable of telling the truth to the people of America.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:20 AM
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47. "The WH is in the (phone) book.. you might want to contact them" |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:47 AM
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124. Did Gonzo say that ~ "WH in phone book...?" |
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126. No, Leahy said that to Gonzo n/t |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:21 AM
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50. Making a mockery of Nuremberg by allowing those war criminals to remain in office |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:21 AM
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51. NOW he admits he talked to Goodling, but was only consoling her...a distraught woman, |
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HE LIED in his earlier testimony.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:23 AM
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60. oh, just throw him out huh? |
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his smug ass needs to go with the rest of them.
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66. I hope this hearing is the final nail in his coffin! |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:39 AM
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121. Did he hold her close and pat her poor little back? |
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Enquiring minds want to know.....
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:22 AM
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52. Leahy needs to connect his ire to his backbone. OMG---Leahy asked ANOTHER "What will you do?" |
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"What are you going to do?" GAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! ANOTHER "I'll do better" QUESTION!!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:22 AM
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54. "I wasn't shaping her testimony, |
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I just wanted to let her know that I didn't think anyone had done anything wrong."
Is this fucking guy for real or what?
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58. "I was merely suggesting to her what to say to save my ass" nt |
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59. he IS for real, that's why they have to stop this bastard. treason. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:24 AM
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62. Jesus F'ing Christ. We are so far thru the looking glass. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:23 AM
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57. Did Gonzo get his law degree by mail? |
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"As far as I know, nothing wrong was done." "No one KNOWINGLY did anything wrong."
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65. conversely, does that mean people unknowingly did things right? |
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69. sounds like a two year old... |
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or maybe some two years are smarter. geez, what a disgrace.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:53 AM
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125. Law Degree from Kiddy Kar Kollege |
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61. Specter is up again... |
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67. Time for Spector to rehab Gonzo. Notice his more solicitous tone of voice. |
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72. Dunno about that...let's see... |
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94. Okay. He's looking pretty good now. |
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92. so far is is kicking him while he is doen! |
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68. talking about special prosecutor again.. |
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80. Sounds as if he's laying the groundwork to file in contempt charges. |
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64. is this second round? |
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73. Contempt proceedings that will result from all this |
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70. oh sure..feed us some more bullshit....What fucking credibility? |
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I guess it's not important enough for cspan one or two, or the "news" networks that people can actually watch.:sarcasm:
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Specter says Gonzo is not credible.
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90. span 3 has it. watch here...link: |
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74. Too bad there isn't a secret organization that eliminates scum like Gonzales. |
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Oh, if only Remo the Destroyer was around. And hopefully, Smith knew when to ignore the current President's orders.
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76. "I do not find your testimony credible" Specter |
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but we need some follow through on this. I've heard the tough talk from him and others before.
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78. I DEMAND THEY REMOVE ALBERTO GONZALEZ FROM OFFICE. |
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This has gone on far enough.
The Democratic leadership needs to act, TODAY.
This man should be charged with perjury, obstruction of justice, impeached for failing to uphold the constitution.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:26 AM
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79. I really shouldn't be watching this |
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81. Specter: I do not find your testimony credible |
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82. Lie some more and protect the universal fascists in our White House |
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while we decide what to do about a few things that we do know. "A DU collaborative investigation: Thelma Colbert, Shannon Ross and other deaths at DoJ" (5-8-2007) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x847120"Terror suspect WORKED for CIA's airline that was used for extraordinary rendition" (6-1-2007) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1038783"Network hosting Attorney General scandal E-mail's also hosted Ohio's 2004 election results" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x735051"Subpoena Susan B. Ralston. She holds the key to WH e-mail systems, election night '04 and Abramoff" (3-26-2007) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x505855"Attorney General Alberto Gonzales Sandbagged Novation LLC Prosecution" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2809066
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:26 AM
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83. Specter: I don't find you credible. |
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You had better review your testimony very carefully. We will to look for anything actionable.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:26 AM
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84. DAMN!!! Spector says Gonzo testimony not credible!! |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:27 AM
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85. "I suggest you review you testimony very carefully...." Specter |
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91. Now THAT is a threat... |
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...I can't believe my ears...
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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93. didn't they give him that chance last time? |
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please don't throw me in jail-Gonzo
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:30 AM
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105. I thought so. Too much allowance is being afforded this treasonous liar. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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97. Specter is Drawling again. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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98. I disagree with you categorically |
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You did not follow procedures.
Fuck you Gonzo.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:28 AM
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89. "credebility breached to the point of being actionable" |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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96. Spector is kicking the ever-loving shit out this guy.. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:30 AM
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:30 AM
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Ouch. I felt that from way over here.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:40 AM
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122. This from a Repuke??? |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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95. Unbelievable! Gonzo has spent only 5-10 min on a death penalty case.... |
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"You owe the process more than 5-10 min"
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:31 AM
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110. Maybe 5-10 minutes; Gonzo was vague. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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99. That enabling piece of shit did not just say testimony would be reviewed to see IF |
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Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 11:31 AM by Solly Mack
the Torture Czars credibility has been breached to the point of being actionable?
As if it's a question? As if the fucker has any credibility? A fucking war criminal?
I'm sorry...but to even frame the issue as if there is any question whatsoever that Gonzales has any credibility much less credibility that "might" have been breached is ENABLING language
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:29 AM
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100. Take another look at all the death penalty cases.... |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:30 AM
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108. YEA, like gonzo will, my assssss. |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:30 AM
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102. And now Magic Bullet throws a bone to the right-wing, and brings up the murdering border guards.... |
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Specter is just as much of a useless piece of shit as Gonzalez.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:32 AM
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Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 11:38 AM by bear425
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109. whow HO----Specter telling Gonzo he has NOT adequately reviewing DEATH p |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:31 AM
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111. "People died from use of oxycontin... and would justify 2nd degree murder...you agreed to a fine" |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:31 AM
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112. Specter is raking Gonzo over the coals. |
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Remember when the USA replacement legislation was slipped into the Patriot Act renewal? Specter got scapegoated for doing that by other Republicans but was not behind it. I think Specter is still a little annoyed about that.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:31 AM
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113. Wanna bet by the end of the day bu$h* 'stands behind his AG' ? |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:31 AM
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114. Spector: "You don't take 5 or 10 minutes to decide on going for the death penalty. |
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That isn't enough time to be reflective!" WOW!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:32 AM
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116. Poor Gonzo. Everything he deals with is "VERY COMPLICATED!" |
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Must be a rough life!!!!!
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:33 AM
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117. At best, Gonzo should be fired for sheer incompetence |
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If you listen to most of his answers, you get the impression he has NO CLUE what's going on in his own Department.
And the things he DOES know he can't mention because of "security" or "on-going investigations" reasons.
Fire his ass, right now.
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:36 AM
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118. Gonzo: "Sorry, Senator, I don't understand the question." ???? |
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Tue Jul-24-07 11:36 AM
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119. Here's the link to thread 9 |
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