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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:31 PM
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Canada To Increase Military Presence in the Arctic Despite U.S. Objections
http://www.enn.com/globe.html?id=1731

July 10, 2007 — By Rob Gillies, Associated Press

TORONTO -- Canada has announced plans to increase its Arctic military presence in an effort to assert sovereignty over the Northwest Passage -- a potentially oil-rich region the United States claims is international territory.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday that six to eight patrol ships will guard what he says are Canadian waters. A deep water port will also be built in a region the U.S. Geological Survey estimates has as much as 25 percent of the world's undiscovered oil and gas.

"Canada has a choice when it comes to defending our sovereignty over the Arctic. We either use it or lose it. And make no mistake, this government intends to use it," Harper said. "It is no exaggeration to say that the need to assert our sovereignty and protect our territorial integrity in the North on our terms have never been more urgent."

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"The ongoing discovery of the north's resource riches coupled with the potential impact of climate change has made the region a growing area of interest and concern," Harper said.

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Canada also wants to assert its claim over Hans Island, which is at the eastern entrance to the Northwest Passage.

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Harper did not name the location of the new port but said it will serve as a naval operating base and for commercial purposes.

Source: Associated Press

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So now we will go to war with Canada? Don't wonder now why world governments such as the U.S. and Canada are not doing much to address global warming... they see profit over the misery it will cause in areas not contributing to it. They want the ice to thaw so they can all vie for the wealth it holds so they can drill it, degrade it, pummel it, suck it dry, and kill it like their greed has killed everything else it thas touched.

They don't care about rising sea levels or the devastation, displacement, and disease it will cause for countless millions. They don't care about really doing anything to cure their addiction to oil, just taking control of it for their own purposes and keeping us slaves to it. Make no mistake about it, wars will be perpetual as global warming continues not only because of lack of resources such as water and the effects it is causing such as drought, disease, water shortages, sea level rise, crop devastation, and erratic weather patterns. Oh no, it will be caused by men whose hearts are cold to this Earth and only see it as a place to take from, and they are all morally reprehensible regardless of what country they come from.

And in this country you wait and see, Congress will be giddy about it as they tout it as the way to wean ourselves off of Middle Eastern oil. They won't even care that they would be perpetuating the same misery we have now in a different location. It is only about money, greed, and power to "politicians."

This is why it must be the PEOPLE ENMASSE of this world who join together to cause the seachange necessary to make people understand that for the Arctic to melt would be catastrophic for the Earth's balance. We need to implore businesses to not give into government pressure to destroy this land for profit lest they see it come back to them on their balance sheets as losses, and we need to see that massive global education campaign of Al Gore's take hold in this country like nothing else before in order to make people understand what exactly is at stake here in order to see a massive demand on the part of those of all political stripes to see beyond the political to the moral.

They are already moving their pieces into play... it is time for those who love this planet and see the urgency of this crisis and where it will lead us to checkmate them before it is too late.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:32 PM
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1. Doesn't Canada know? Only the United States gets to throw its military weight around.
Why anybody puts up with this country's B.S. mystifies me......
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:37 PM
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4. Those nuclear bombs would be a good answer n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:34 PM
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2. Canada protected our borders on 9-11
I'll always be grateful to them for that, their jets scrambled quicker than our own. Its just like the Bush administration to manipulate their elections and now try to steal their oil.

This is a new low for the US. Canada, please don't blame us. Its not our fault, we're trying to get rid of this a**hole.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:36 PM
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3. Yes,oil they will continue to burn thus exacerbating the crisis
That is what is so outrageous about this. Harper is just like Bush.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:39 PM
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5. And they don't get nearly enough credit for the astonishing job they did
in accepting so many grounded flights (what if there had been more suicide flights???) and taking care of all the people that were on those planes.


Thank you, Canada!
:patriot:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:43 PM
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10. NAFTA's fine print allows the US to take said oil if need be
n/t
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:14 PM
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15. I remember when that happened I was so livid that we agreed to it.n/t
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:40 PM
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6. When will bush add Harper to the 'axis of evil' list?
Let the cold war with Canada begin!!!!
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:42 PM
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8. I don't believe any country should have the right to lay waste to the Arctic
why do I get the feeling people aren't seeing that?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:56 PM
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12. Alliances and friendships take a backseat to oil reserves...........
Russia's claim and now Canada's claim will eventually lead to another oil war. Environments and living creatures no longer matter, specially when oil is involved.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:58 PM
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13. Northwest Passage
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:06 PM
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14. Global warming and climate change may make the Northwest Passage........
more navigable and more important for sea transportation.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:14 PM
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16. Yes, as the Gulf Stream slows enough due to Arctic melting to start another ice age in Europe
The effects of the melting are really more important to me. But of course, humans bent on self gratification only will always look to what is in it for them rather than how it effects their planet and other species. That is really illogical to me in this case, sicncn the Arctic melting will cause catatrophe, sea routes being the least of things I will be thinking of.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:52 PM
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19. "Money trumps.....peace, sometimes. Heh heh, heh, heh."
:scared: Oh, Canada. *heavy sigh*
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:41 PM
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7. Hans Island Liberation Front is not happy with Canada's or Danish claims
to their beloved island, Radio Free Hans Island announced that yesterday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:42 PM
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9. So much for the North American Union
:(
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:44 PM
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11. I guess karl rove and bill kristol shared a bowl of popcorn
while watching Canadian Bacon last night.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:21 PM
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17. This is about the only thing Harper has done that I agree with
I've long believed that we've been neglecting our northern borders. We need to have a stronger presence,
especially with the possibility of a true northern passage.

And there have been some incidents with US Naval vessels sailing through our territory.

Use it or lose it, I say.
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:03 PM
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20. Completely agree with you I don't like Harper but I agree with this move although it might have been
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 06:04 PM by buzzard
better to have armed heavy icebreakers.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:27 PM
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21. Shouldn't countries actually be working to take action on global warming?
Rather than scheming on how they will hoard the resources it may uncover?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:52 PM
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25. I f Canada retains control of the arctic
There will be a much better chance of it being used responsibly. Or even turned into a protected wildlife zone.

God knows what will happen to it if it's turned over to the cowboys who are in power in the US.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 10:16 PM
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26.  Not with "tar sands" Harper at the helm
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:58 PM
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27. He can't do much
He's a minority leader, just hanging on by his fingernails.

He knows he has to rule by consensus with the other parties or he's toast. And he just barely has popular support.

In our system, a minority government is only one parliament vote away from being ousted.

And if he tries anything resembling a corporate ANWR-type land grab, he's history.

Remember, environmental issues are much more important here and Harper's lack of respect for that is going to cost him.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 05:31 AM
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28. Then how did he get in in the first place?
Don't the people have any say in that? Are Canadians protesting him now?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:43 AM
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29. Through an election, of course
In our multi-party elections, vote-splitting is an unavoidable reality. The Liberal Party (center left) and the NDP (left) actually got more votes than the conservatives.

So, we ended up with a conservative government (although a minority one), even though most of Canada has liberal values. That's life here in Canada.

But since we don't have a fixed negotiated coalition situation, such as Germany, a minority government is built on shifting sand. Opposition parties are free to vote with or against the government on any bill or measure.

As for protesting, yes, of course we protest. People protest our involvement in Afghanistan, the Harper energy policies and of course, their dreadful record on the environment.

But we do win some battles. Harper is not free to dictate terms. Every active measure he proposes in Parliament must be negotiated or they'll lose. And so, consensus rules until he does something outrageous.

Some people actually prefer minority governments because the government is held to account every day.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:45 PM
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18. Is there any land that the US doesn't want to grab? n/t
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:29 PM
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22. I'm shocked that Harper would confront the Bush administration.
I'm surprised by this.

And...good for Canada for protecting their interests.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:43 PM
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24. I'm surprised by some of the replies here
This is about a bunch of greedy politicians from many countries thinking they will now have the right to desimate a part of this world that is pristine all for profit to take advantage of a crisis. And this will be going on long after Bush is gone. You want to see perpetual war over oil and other resources in the Arctic now? I say it should be deemed an international neutral zone like Antarctica and NO country should be able to lay claim to the Arctic. The fact that the Arctic is melting faster because of our behavior is bad enough. The fact that politicians who really don't care about the devastation it will cause because it interferes with them having a moral compass actually get credit for it now is very disheartening.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:33 PM
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23. And who cares about other species?
http://www.savebiogems.org/polar/

Just get the oil, right?
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