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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:29 PM
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WAL-MART Nation: Irony of Ironies
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 05:31 PM by messiah2012
I was just out running some errands, grocery shopping, post office, etc. I was waiting at the one hour photo place to get some photos developed when the guy behind the counter tells me that it is going to take longer than expected. No worries, I decide to go over to Wal-Mart and get a phone card. Walking up to the enormous big box store I notice an interesting photo opportunity.

There is a flag pole bolted to the side of the building, flying the American flag, of course. It was windy so the flag was fully unfurled and flapping in the breeze. Just below the flag are two security cameras aimed at different directions. I mean the cameras look like they are bolted to the flag pole. I thought it was an interesting juxtaposition. Can you see where this story is going?

So I grab my camera and start popping off pictures. In the mean time there are customers corralling themselves into the Wal-Mart. About five minutes later a young female clerk comes out of the store with a little walkie-talkie. See says, "Sir, excuse me, what are you doing?" Not even looking at her, I say, "Isn't it obvious? I'm taking pictures."

Her, "Sir, what are you taking pictures of?" I say, "Well, I was walking into your store here and saw the American flag flapping in the wind, I thought it looked interesting so I decided to take a picture of it. You know America?"

She says, "Umm, sir, Wal-Mart does not allow picture taking or any recording devices of any kind on it's property." I say, "Hmmm, you're kidding me? I can't take a picture of the American flag on this property?" Her, "No sir, you can not."

By this time the next level supervisor comes out and starts questioning me and a another junior supervisor comes out a little later. Same questions from the head supervisor lady. Then she says, "Yeah, we have had several customers come in warning us that some guy was out taking pictures of the building. They thought you were taking pictures of the cameras." Not admitting that I was in fact taking pictures of the cameras and knowing that the irony of the situation would be lost on this dumb hick, I simply repeat what I said before about the flag and then add, "You know, America?"

The situation is defused, and I leave after sheepishly telling them that "Oh, I didn't know I was doing anything wrong." Etc., etc. In actuality it had crossed my mind that somebody might say something to me about this.

The whole thing left me feeling a bit sick about this country.

One, that people were so scared and terrorized into being fearful by this Bush administration that they would turn in somebody for taking a picture. I was in fact exercising my first amendment rights to freely express myself.

Two, and this didn't settle in until I was driving home, Wal-Mart sent out three unarmed minimum wage workers to confront somebody that the store themselves deemed could be potentially dangerous. Fuck you, Wal-Mart. Profit above workers? Go fuck yourselves Wal-Mart corporation. Sick, sick, country we live in.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:34 PM
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1. If store personnel (or customers) think you are taking pictures of surveillance devices,
they may think you want to try to find a way to document them for... "reference".

That may be their mindset.

I understand the irony of the cameras... But I don't think it was some grandiose fear of terrorism that freaked people out. Nobody likes a shoplifter. Even if it's obvious.

And if it was a fear of terrorism, so what? Look at the airport incident in the UK some time ago - people called the police for suspicious events and they were lucky things didn't get any worse.
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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:51 PM
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3. I left something big out of the OP
Thanks for reminding me. The supervisor did in fact cite 9/11 as a reason why they "have to be careful". And she said that the customers coming in were fearful. Also, if I truly wanted to, I could have the floor plans and high resolution satellite photos of that place by tomorrow morning.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:42 PM
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13. Yeah, "9/11" and the fucking bushits
are still in power and they'd let another 9/11 happen on a dime.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:56 PM
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4. Hmmm...
Toad, I've really liked your posts on most every thread and agree with you almost always. This time around, I'm inclined to agree with the poster. Let's say, instead of standing on private property taking these pictures, you were to be off at a distance, on public property, and using a mirror or telescopic lens to take the same shots. It wouldn't be Wal-Mart employees coming to talk to you -- it would be police. For doing what... ? As the poster said, taking pictures in a public place is not a violation of anything. It's a very thin line, and one that is bound to be crossed by police, between free exercise of our rights and being considered guilty of "suspicious activity" and having to spend countless hours and dollars on legal defense. Over time, those rights will be eroded by that kind of abuse of authority. The inculcation of an atmosphere of fear will mean the end of the free society that we all (supposedly) value.
Let's say I like kids. As a matter of fact, I love kids. But if I'm in a park and happen to take a picture of someone's cute kid, would I be confronted by a cop responding to a complaint from the kid's parents that I must be a pedophile of some kind? No one (especially not a man) is allowed to just like kids anymore, and that changes our society and it makes us weaker as a people. The question comes down to what is permissible and impermissible in public places, and attempts to alter the nature of our society are pushing us toward a closed society, one in which our rights and liberties are diminished and truncated, and innocence is a forgotten souvenir of times past. Those who are helping to push us in that direction are actually doing the Taliban's work for them, here on our shores.
My two cents' worth...
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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:02 PM
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6. Anybody in a public place forfeits their right to privacy.
You can take pictures of anything on public property. You can do it on private property too. But as soon as somebody informs you that they don't want pictures taken and they are the owners or expressing the owners wishes then you must oblige.
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:43 PM
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2. You are in the matrix now. They have you on tape
Your 69th post was how fuckup walmart and the U.S. is. too funny
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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:58 PM
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5. "I have just discovered, gentlemen,"
"that this entire room is surrounded by film."

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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:18 PM
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8. Well, Mr. Baseball Bat.
I hope you didn't have any plans to send your kids to college because you would be forking their college tuition over to me after I brought you to court for assault. Also I am not liar, I wasn't taking pictures for the reasons that they purported.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:27 PM
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10. That's Ms. Baseball Bat...
...and I don't have kids.

Besides, if you took me to court for assault, I wouldn't be handing anything over to you. That's not how it works. I'd be going to jail.

Do you have the pictures? Can we see them?
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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:28 PM
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15. Do you always resort to violence...
to solve your problems?
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:44 PM
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17. When did YOU stop beating your wife?
C'mon, don't be silly.

Can we see the pictures?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:21 PM
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9. Wal-mart is so private
that I never shop there. On my Christmas trip to Florida I simply stayed in their carpark while my sister went inside. I had a good time looking for Bush stickers on vehicles. I will not give them my money.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:34 PM
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11. And yet, a greater % of Wal~Mart employees have health insurance than Starbucks employees
The stuff you learn walking by a barista protest...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:39 PM
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16. Well the good news is that
I don't buy Starbucks coffee either.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 06:38 PM
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12. Only ONE Fucking reason
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 06:39 PM by zidzi
I don't go to walfart and cringe everytime someone mentions the name.

Edit~to Recommend~
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:15 PM
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14. If ANYONE felt threatened they would have called the cops
It was just something different to do for a few minutes... If patrons felt threatened, the police would have arrived, quickly.

I was in a Best Buy last year when some kid walked by the security guy at the door while talking to his friend. The kid said the word GLOCK and security called the police. 2 cars within 2 minutes... No Glock, they were singing some stupid rap song!
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:24 PM
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18. Please post the photos, if you get a chance...
I can feel the irony in that picture...
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