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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:07 AM
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Dear Congressman Conyers,


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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:07 AM
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1. R&K
:applause:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:09 AM
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2. Maybe it isn't big enough?
:)
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:14 AM
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6. only 125,000,000 more...
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:12 AM
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3. you might want to read this
The Impeachment Process

In the House of Representatives


The House Judiciary Committee decides whether or not to proceed with impeachment. If they do...

The Chairman of the Judiciary Committee will propose a Resolution calling for the Judiciary Committee to begin a formal inquiry into the issue of impeachment.

Based on their inquiry, the Judiciary Committee will send another Resolution to the full House stating that impeachment is warranted and why (the Articles of Impeachment), or that impeachment is not called for.

The Full House (probably operating under special floor rules set by the House Rules Committee) will debate and vote on each Article of Impeachment.

Should any one of the Articles of Impeachment be approved by a simple majority vote, the President will be "impeached." However, being impeached is sort of like being indicted of a crime. There still has to be a trial, which is where the US Senate comes in.
In the Senate


The Articles of Impeachment are received from the House.

The Senate formulates rules and procedures for holding a trial.

A trial will be held. The President will be represented by his lawyers. A select group of House members will serve as "prosecutors." The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (currently John G. Roberts) will preside with all 100 Senators acting as the jury.

The Senate will meet in private session to debate a verdict.

The Senate, in open session, will vote on a verdict. A 2/3 vote of the Senate will result in a conviction.

The Senate will vote to remove the President from office.

The Senate may also vote (by a simple majority) to prohibit the President from holding any public office in the future.
Impeachable Offenses

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." In his report, Independent Counsel, Starr accuses President Clinton of committing eleven acts for which he could be removed from office by impeachment. Are any of those acts "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors?" Well, that's up to the members of the House of Representatives. According to Constitutional Lawyers, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" are (1) real criminality -- breaking a law; (2) abuses of power; (3) "violation of public trust" as defined by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers. In 1970, then Representative Gerald R. Ford defined impeachable offenses as "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." An excellent definition, Mr. Former President. In the past, Congress has issued Articles of Impeachment for acts in three general categories:


Exceeding the constitutional bounds of the powers of the office.

Behavior grossly incompatible with the proper function and purpose of the office.

Employing the power of the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain.



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Unfortunately, those petitions signatures don't really "count" in the process.

Why don't you put your effort into something that just might have an effect?

Much as I'd like to see the mf hung, drawn, quartered, boiled in oil, coated in honey and tied to an anthill - there's more than this one issue to consider.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:14 AM
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5. 923, 668 American citizens disagree with you
And I really don't need a civics lesson. How insulting.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:20 AM
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11. evidently you do
YOUR VOTES DON"T COUNT IN THE PROCESS.

As much as you - or even I - would like for it to, they don't.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:23 AM
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17. Our votes make the process POSSIBLE. It's called
the consent of the governed.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:56 PM
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21. Damn puter
lost my answer.

And it was really really long. :banghead: And wonderful, of course. ;)

Don't you hate that?

I'll get back to it. But rewriting it now would be a bit too draining.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:32 AM
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12. You might want to read these...again.
The Declaration of Independence of The United States of America

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Continued... http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/declaration.html

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:11 AM
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13. "a long train of abuses and usurpations"
Is the train long enough yet?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:19 AM
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14. Did you not know that
the Declaration of Independence - while a great and wonderful document - has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY.


You might want to read the CONSTITUTION of the United States.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


Hint: you might want to pay particular attention to Article I, Sections 2 & 3.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:19 AM
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15. No legal authority?
Someone should have told George Washington.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:54 PM
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20. hon - you really need a refesher in
history and civics.

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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:13 AM
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4. Which part of not enough votes in the House don't you understand...
If you were smart, you'd start protesting "GASP" the moderate democrats and more importantly, moderate Republicans.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:15 AM
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8. If they held the damn impeachment hearings the votes would be there
And since you have no idea who I am or what I HAVE been doing, you have no right to lecture me.
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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:16 AM
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9. That is not my fucking job. It's Conyer's
He needs to go out and got those fucking votes. Right fucking now. Like he said he would. The world can't wait.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:26 AM
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18.  What part of "do your job" do you not understand?
Nancy Pelosi's district wants that felon impeached.

The American public wants Bush out of office.

What part of "uphold your oath of office" do you not understand?
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:26 AM
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19. How about I disagree?
How about they vote every day until the votes are there?

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messiah2012 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:14 AM
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7. K&R
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:17 AM
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10. I think you and I could be great friends!
LOL :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:21 AM
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16. K&R
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