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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:30 AM Original message |
Breaking: CONTEMPT citations going out for Miers and Bolten - TODAY |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Recommended as usual! |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. And then what? A nasty letter perhaps? |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. we won't know about a letter until AFTER THE RECESS! |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. And who will arrest them? |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. If they do inherent contempt, the Sergeant At Arms can do it. |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The Sargent At Arms does |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. He'll just pardon them anyway, so big deal. He's totally lawless! |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. Not if the trials against them last until after Bush is gone |
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Fluffdaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. monkey face can pardon them BEFORE any trials take place |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. No you can't, you can pardon convictions, not charges (at least as far as I know) |
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Fluffdaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Two words................Dick Nixion |
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BrainGlutton (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
69. The president's pardon power does not affect Congress' exercise of its inherent contempt power. |
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PetrusMonsFormicarum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. I know they're just stooges, but |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Then he pardons them. But Bush will know he's going into the history books as the most criminal |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. Miers looks like the Joker. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
57. KYRIST!!! Does he make them ALL wear American flag lapel pins? |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. and a cross under the shirt. |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. Will it be enforced by Gonzo's DoJ? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It really depends upon what the Dems decide to do |
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wake.up.america (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I agree. Bush simply does not give a rat's a**. It's naked survival right now. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Yup. Bush is in his bunker.... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Correction: in his bunker calling FOR shot |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 08:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. "they are so afraid of offending Murdoch and Fox Noise" |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
59. having seen conyers in action for years, he was probably |
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radfringe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. drafted for a vote Wednesday a resolution |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
11. Just don't expect America to hear a word about it on the teevee |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. no, not at all |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. I Think It's A Mistake |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That post should be its own thread. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Yes. n/t |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
39. I've started one |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Judith Miller was allowed to go to prison because one long-range Bushco goal is to destroy |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Only secondarily in her case |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I think it would be the ultimate capitulation to let the WH assert these imagined powers |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Failure to impeach is the ultimate capitulation |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I really don't believe that an impeachment effort which is generated and advanced by our side alone |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. "The perfect is the enemy of the good." |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Impeachment has no guarantee that it will prevent 'people dying' |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. The impeachment effort is well defined |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. just pointing to article which have been published somewhere |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. It's many redundant articles. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Beating Republicans in 2008 is objection too |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. I see your point. Why "test" the process rather than USE it to the fullest extent possible. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. because, to let the assertions of Executive privilege stand without challenge in court |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I believe they will continue to assert EP even in impeachment/conviction proceedings. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. They've been challenged |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. from the Congressional Research Service |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. That's not executive privilege |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. there is no 'quagmire' without the obstruction of the WH |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Yes, obstruction is the game |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. well, the rhetoric about 'defeatist' Dems is false |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. No, it's description not rhetoric |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. Thanks for this clarification. My first thought today was... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
63. Contempt is the best way to get to impeachment |
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flyingfysh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. a question about inherent contempt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
47. No... not as long as the contempt charge is coercive rather than punitive. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. And our Dem Reps do so well with merry-go-rounds. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
16. This is now the third day this has been "BREAKING" |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
19. Does it go to the floor today? |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. It goes to the floor in AUGUST, after the recess |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Ironically most people thought Bush was/is stupid and he's managed to fabricate news/laws and |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
21. right. As planned and promised |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
22. About fucking time. - n/t |
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libnnc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
27. Wonderful. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
30. If nothing else, it will force Bush to show what a criminal he really is to the masses..... |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
33. If Bush has to pardon every felon working for him... |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
34. Unless they are going to be enforced, they are just gd pieces of paper. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
35. Its about Freakin TIME but I am proud of them |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
36. "Bush has not invoked the privilege properly because he has not furnished a signed statement or |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
54. On Ed Shultz show they just said it will not go to full congressional vote until after August Recess |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. whenever they can get around to it.. |
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BrainGlutton (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
68. The thread title is misleading . . . |
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