BBC: The Original White House Coup - All In The (BUSH) Family

[kpete]

Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml


The Sins of the Fathers: Fascism, A Coup and Thou -- History, Repeated and Improved
by GreyHawk
Tue Jul 24, 2007

George W. Bush may not be much of a student. He's certainly not much of a "President" or even a leader, whether in politics or business.

He is, however, one of a long line of Bush war profiteers -- a direct descendant in a family that has a history of war, treason, sedition and unpatriotic behavior.

The BBC just had a very interesting program about The Whitehouse Coup -- the original one, circa 1933; I strongly suggest folks go listen to it and replay it often, everywhere.

What he and others in the current BushCheney Administration have done with their stonewalling, illegal wiretapping, secret prisons, US Attorney firings, Department of Justice politicalization, betrayal of a CIA agent and rampant cronyism is nothing short of miraculous: they have succeeded where Prescott S. Bush failed. They have staged a successful, bloodless coup. Now, let's see how long they can hold it.

more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/25/081/34142

[BridgeTheGap]

1. Those who know the story of Smedley Butler

Already know this story.
There is a multi-volume history of Congressional hearings (don't recall the author right now) that conveniently left this rather major slice of history out. I have to wonder why.

[iamahaingttta]

9. Read Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket" online...

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Also, more on the "Business Plot"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_plot

And more on the Bush Family Evil Empire

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

[RedEarth]

17. If you haven't seen the documentary "Why We Fight", you might

want to rent it. It starts off with Eisenhower's farewell speech...the one where he warns about the military industrial complex. Frankly, I think "Why We Fight" should be mandatory viewing for everyone in this country...it's very powerful.

Thanks for the links you provided, I bookmarked so I can read them.

[loudsue]

2. If we still had education in this country, this would be taught in history class

and the country could AVOID problems of the past. But bush has his "no child left behind" on the propaganda instead.

It's time this information was spread across the country. Do I hear Olbermann? The WaPo or NYT?

We sure as hell won't hear about it on the Faux News that Conyers is so afraid of.

:kick::kick::kick:

[gordianot]

3. Nazi's in America have been here from the beginning.

I know more than a few personally along with family history, their children and Grandchildren are all Republicans today and spout the ideas and policies of their forefathers. I might have fallen into this legacy except my Grandfather rejected these ideas many years ago when he abandoned the Republican party during the depression. George W. Bush is among the new generation, which is a primary reason I was so appalled at Joe Lieberman's kiss at the State of the Union speech.

Octafish here at DU is one of the best sources I have seen anywhere on the connections.


The following was taken from a RW paper and claims to be the deathbed confession of Otto Skorzeny Hitler's bodyguard. I do not know its accuracy but find it intriguing.

Check it out: http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

[Rosa Luxemburg]

7. The trouble is that the ordinary American does not see it

the average joe does not realize what has been going on, what is going on and doesn't care. I have forgotten how the left dealt with this in the 1930s?

[gordianot]

10. My Grandfather handled it on the street of a small town.

He was by no means a leftwinger when he punched a relative who made a comment about my Uncle (his son) participating in the 8th Air Force during World War II. The comment was "How could he bomb our cousins in Germany". He died despising these relatives as well as Republicans.

[emcguffie]

39. Regarding that Skorzeny business --

-- I think you should start a thread with it. I've wanted to do that for a long time, but I'm not really a poster....

[mod mom]

4. This needs another round on DU for everyone to watch. Here is a link to a previous post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1419250&mesg_id=1427417

[redacted]

5. Excerpt from the GreyHawk DailyKos post:

If ever a family so embodied "the sins of the father" being visited sevenfold upon their sons and their sons' sons, this is it. Now is the time for us, as a nation, to stand together and face the criminals inhabiting and infesting our government. It's time for Congress to impeach, convict and remove all elements of this dangerous infection, preventing them from ever holding office again.

And anyone -- Liebercrat or Republican -- who stands to oppose impeachment, conviction and removal should be tried for their role as accomplice in the sedition and treason against the United States. No more should they be permitted to hide behind snivelling protocols and talk out both sides of their mouths -- either they are with the nation, or they are part of the criminal conspiracy currently thwarting the will of both Congress and the People.

[mod mom]

16. Amen!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

6. Indeed. What will they do to hold on to that power?

I think, just about anything. After all, they are machiavellian and absolute/arrogant in their belief that they know better than anyone else what is to be accomplished.

[Philosoraptor]

8. InDEED!!!111

[malaise]

11. KO should have a copy of this n/t

[Solly Mack]

12. ....

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Was it Roosevelt who had a famous quote warning us about these

rich elites? He referred to them as mal-something or other.

Anyone remember the quote?

[hootinholler]

19. Are you thinking of Eisenhower's Farewell speech?

He clearly warns of the potential threat form the Military Industrial Complex:

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

-Hoot

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. I knew that Eisenhower warned us too. But before Eisenhower it was

Teddy Roosevelt. Something about Malefactors of great wealth.

[JHB]

20. If you mean "Malefactors of Great Wealth"...

...it's Teddy Roosevelt who's famous for that quote (among one or two other things :evilgrin: )

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. I think that's it. Do you remember the entire quote?

[JHB]

28. Remember, no...

Try Googleing. I found the phrase in a speech where FDR quoted TR, on the all-too-familiar subject of pointing out that criticism of abuses of capitalism does not equate to anti-capitalism.

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. Don't have time for a thorough search, but I did come up with this:

Source: Speech at Provincetown, Massachusetts, August 20, 1907

[Psyop Samurai]

14. From kos commenter, Dave925:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/25/081/34142#c38

There is a reason this blatant treason is practically unknown, even more so than the treason of IBM, GM, Ford, Standard Oil, etc. during WWII which was never prosecuted because that might cause people to question the war and hurt its prosecution.

It is actively suppressed because the assault on Constitutional government by these same or like interests has never stopped. It has reached the verge of success through its dominance of one political party and its infiltration of the other. It controls the media and has actively abused the minds of its audiences through subtle manipulation of frames and perception.

It is relentless and is singularly responsible for giving the lie to all the ideals this Nation professes to hold dear. They will never stop until they have achieved full and overt control and if that is successful, it will never be enough for these sick and twisted individuals. It really does come down to personality types and the Bush Criminals, their cronies and the hidden powerful they represent are simply, The Bad Guys.

The Bad Guys need to face real justice and the sordid hidden history of the past 60 years must be exposed- much as German townspeople were forced to "tour" recently liberated concentration camps, so must America be made to face the horrors committed in their names.

If we are ever to have a country that even tries to meet the demands of its own ideals, this must be done.

There is not a moment to lose.

[KoKo]

15. KIck....i bookmarked for later to watch the video from BBC.

[AzDar]

18. Kick!

:kick:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. Kick! eom

[leveymg]

22. Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker were mere bagmen for the bigger players vying for a piece

of a $30 billion refinancing agreement of the World War One reparations negotiated by John Foster Dulles. That deal was renounced in 1933 as the first act of the incoming Nazi regime, setting up the even bigger World War Two and Cold War debts to come. Here's a short picture essay of "the malefactors of great wealth", as FDR called them.

The time: 1928-1953

The Cast of Characters and Institutions:


* The Morgan family and their banks (New York money center being J.P. Morgan, Morgan Guaranty, and Morgan Grenfell, primary beneficiary of U.S. and allied war debts; Morgan partners held directorships in 167 industrial concerns, banks, railroads, and utilities, and they controlled, through their banking relationships, the most important media in the United States, including the New York Times. Meanwhile, the House of Morgan had syndicated a $100 million loan to Mussolini's government in 1925, and had made subsequent loans to that government, as well as a $30 million loan to the government of the city of Rome. Dillon Read, which had participated in the Morgan loan, also arranged a loan of $30 million for the city of Milan.)

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/grf01.jpg
* The Rockefeller family, their Standard Oil holdings (threatened with seizure in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act for continuing to provide Nazi Germany with Middle East oil a year after Pearl Harbor was attacked) and Rockefeller banks (Chase Manhattan Bank and Citibank, and into family foundations), joint-venture with IG Farben, the leading German chemical concern that built and operated a large synthetic fuels plant with slave labor inside the Auschwitz concentration camp).


* President Herbert Hoover's Ambassador to Britain, former Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon (Gulf Oil), uncle of Richard Mellon Scaife (founder of the Heritage Foundation, AEI, and a Right-wing media empire).


* Federal Reserve Chairman Eugene Meyer under Herbert Hoover (1930-33, purchased The Washington Post in 1934), whose father had helped found the American branch of the Lazard Frères banking house.

http://fawcett911.us/images/prescott+ike2.jpg
* Brown Brothers Harriman - A 1931 merger of Brown Brothers (Brown Shipley, the family firm of UK Minister of Exchequer and leading Fifth Columnist Montagu Norman, with the Harrimans, Averell Harriman having borrowed through Ernst Cassel to acquire Union Pacific Railroad. BBH employed Prescott Bush, Herbert Walker to manage U.S. holdings and launder money for Fitz Thyssen (German steel and banking magnate, primary early funder of the Nazi Party).


* Hjalmar Schacht, close associate of Montagu Norman, appointed by Hitler to direct Nazi regime's financial and economic policy.


* Last, but not least, the lawyers to almost all the above: John Foster and Allen Dulles (Sullivan & Cromwell)

[Buttercup McToots]

24. This is really really scary...

I had read of rumors but never imagined anything like this...
What do we do?:cry:

[AntiFascist]

36. What is also really scary...

how skillfully the fascist-leaning powers-that-be appeal to our religious and racist biases:

Saudi-sponsored groups appeal to Jihadist warrior tendencies. Also, just last month King Abdullah held a phone conference with Iranian leaders stressing their wisdom and foresight in uniting Islam against its enemies.

I have encountered a far right-wing Jewish website that stresses the goals of worldwide Zionism and even how in the United States certain communities have groups that are preparing for a worldwide government takeover. (I should stress that this was a radical splinter sect).

We all are aware of the crazed right-wing Christian groups and their anti-Islamic rantings.

If the powers-that-be had their way, the common people of the world would continue destroying each other in worldwide religious warfare, while they silently accumlate all of our remaining wealth.

[leveymg]

41. State debt + war = private wealth

That's the formula followed by the Malefactors for hundreds of years.

It's actually pretty simple.

[redqueen]

23. We need to get this out there.

Call talk shows, write LTTEs, pass articles to your friends, send links to your relatives...

GET IT OUT THERE!

:bounce:

[AntiFascist]

31. Get more paleoconservatives interested, point to this article....

"Flirting with Fascism" from American Conservative Magazine.

http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html

Michael Ledeen was the main foreign policy advisor to Karl Rove and he consistently calls for military action against Iran for regime change.

As the above article points out, Ledeen (together with most neoconservatives) glorifies right-wing revolutionary behavior and "creative destruction". How far can this go, and does it extend to overthrowing our own Constitution?

As Ledeen shows, the Italian fascists expressed their desire “to tear down the old order” (his words from 2002) in terms that are curiously anticipatory of a famous statement in 2003 by the Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. In 1932, Asvero Gravelli also divided Europe into “old” and “new” when he wrote, in Towards the Fascist International, “Either old Europe or young Europe. Fascism is the gravedigger of old Europe. Now the forces of the Fascist International are rising.” It all sounds rather prophetic.

[redqueen]

33. Good stuff... thanks!

:kick:

[Buttercup McToots]

25. bump

up

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. K&R.

[Az_lefty]

32. K&R

:kick:

[Hekate]

34. Can someone help me with a link to the transcript of this program? Thanks.nt

[Senator]

35. Fascism -- Monarchism (UnitaryExecism) -- Theocracy -- It's All The Same Thing

Just kicking the thread really.

But you've got to ask yourself, does a "family ethos" change that much in just 2 generations? Without any outside pressure to do so?

Hardly likely.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/8">Fascism -- Authoritarianism -- Monarchism -- Theocracy -- (Dittoheadism)

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[Bitwit1234]

37. History Channel had a special maybe they might still have it available

They did a whole program on this. Maybe they might have the video available they sell them. It told about the corporate leaders hiring a retired colonel to lead the veterans. He supported the take over and he did lead them in the bonus march or something but he could never get it started all the way. It was about a year or more ago. I am going to check and see if the offer it. Maybe not now, because since everyone knows about it, rove may have made them pull it.

[Blue_Tires]

38. k+r

[Hoooweee]

40. Know your BFEE

I can't wait to see what Bartcop says about this.