*** Official House Judiciary Contempt Hearing Thread 2 ***

[MiniMe]

Thread 1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1430457&mesg_id=1430457

CSPAN3 http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[Subdivisions]

1. K&R n/t

[marmar]

2. Thanks for starting the new thread.....

I just returned from kneeling over the toilet bowl following Lamar Smith's statement. :puke:

[MrMickeysMom]

5. I hope there are constituents here to call his friggen office after this!

[Lasher]

7. I just tuned in.

Good morning everybody. :hi:

[bdamomma]

29. Morning Lasher!!

everyone is too busy listening to this waste Cannon.

[Lasher]

44. Hello, alyce!

Boy that Cannon sure is a waste of air, huh?

[Atman]

Lamar is a pox on the committee.

He could not have demonstrated a more partisan, ignorant understanding of the case before him if he were a poster on Freerepublic.

.

[VP505]

14. It was enough

to make a maggot puke, LOL. Oh crap now we get Cannon to continue bashing Clinton, obstructing and diverting.

[bdamomma]

3. thanks minime for the thread!!

[LSK]

4. checking in, just turned it on

:hi:

[helderheid]

6. get ready to barf. Cannon

[rodeodance]

41. Cannon is sure a WHINNER

[KoKo]

8. Linda Sanchez stating it clearly....fresh air...Chris Cannon, now..

[KoKo]

9. Conyers is really up against it with these Repug Delay Clone...!

[LSK]

19. but they dont have the votes

All Dems better hold to the party line.

[malaise]

11. The word today is

myth. Rethugs are not funny.

[bdamomma]

10. oh god, another enabler, I can't listen to this.

[Wednesdays]

12. No evidence of wrongdoing

Nothing to see here...move along...

:eyes:

[LSK]

13. Chris Canyon (R) says theres no evidence

Well why do you think they are subpeonaing then???

[helderheid]

18. Cannon has his head so far up his ass he couldn't hear evidence if he tried.

[bdamomma]

20. they will go over the cliff with the leader huh? what deluded men

they are.

[tridim]

25. Deluded and/or threatened. nt

[bdamomma]

38. yea, that too. Blackmailed perhaps.

[mod mom]

23. and why would they only testify w/o transcipts and other stipulations?

[Lasher]

31. That's Chris Cannon. You were thinking of the space between his ears.

[Richard Steele]

37. That's exactly what I said in the other thread. Cannon offers "theories"; WH refuses to prove them.

Fucking douchebag. Lying scumsucking asswipe.

[MrMickeysMom]

Chris Cannon, thy name is Rep. Fucking Liar!

[marmar]

15. Can these Repug pigs take their lips off of Bush's ass long enough....

to just take a look at what's happening to their country?

[bdamomma]

these guys are accomplices to *'s crimes.

[rodeodance]

16. Repug Cannon talking of MYTHS-as did Smith a bit ago--must be a talking POINT!!!

[KoKo]

22. Repugs excell at "Group Think." Robots!

[tridim]

17. No evidence of WH wrongdoing?

:rofl: Can we arrest these liars for aiding criminals?

[MrMickeysMom]

26. This is defies reality.

Truth is futile with these liars.

[flyarm]

21. CALL LAMAR OFFICE ASK HOW MANY TIMES NIXON AND REAGAN USED EXEC PRIVLEDGE

FOR WATERGATE BREAKIN COVERUP AND ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING AND REAGAN FOR IRAN CONTRA..ILLEGAL SELLING OF ARMS!

[Whoa_Nelly]

24. Canaan

Why does he hate America?

[MrMickeysMom]

42. Oh, no... he just loves HIS America. I'll guarantee, it's not the same America

... as those living in Utah.

Fuck you, Chris!

[Solly Mack]

27. Cannon's tactic?If you just accept the lies as truth, then there is no wrong doing

[tridim]

34. You've just described the typical Faux Newz viewer. nt

[Richard Steele]

56. There's no need to provide the evidence because it proves there was no wrongdoing.

That's Cannon's bullshit in a nutshell.

[sinkingfeeling]

28. Hey, Cannon, none of what you're saying has anything to do with contempt!

[AndyA]

30. Just tuned in to hear Chris Cannon bloviating.

Shut up you Republican hypocrit.

[CrispyQ]

35. ......

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

[marmar]

32. WTF is this Cannon freak talking about?

:wtf:

[A wise Man]

33. I thought both parties were interested in justic

and the rule of law. These hearings are about contempt of supeonas. I guess the rethugs don't represent the country just their party.

[helderheid]

36. Cannon, this isn't partisan you ASS WIPE.

[blogslut]

39. Nice one-sided argument there Cannon

Gonna try impeaching the Clenis again, Mr. Cannon


"We in the minority are not afraid of the facts" - A comedy classic!

[Atman]

40. Chris Cannon is trying to out-stupid Lamar Smith

Okay, so let me get this straight...that Gonzo said he couldn't remember a single fucking thing about his job for last six years only proves that nothing untoward went on, and Miers and Boltons should not even be subpoenaed.

:crazy:

STFU, Chris. You're a moran.

.

[sinkingfeeling]

43. Yes we do Cannon. We do have to show this country that our Constitution is in extreme danger!!

[helderheid]

45. Cannon "I yield back" - finally something he says that makes me happy.

[KoKo]

46. Ha...Repugs angry at Conyers because they can't see what Dems are going to

put in the Contempt Charge.

[KoKo]

53. Repugs are trying to put in an Amendement....Obstructionists!

Chris Cannon.

[ROakes1019]

47. Cannon

Cannon is so stupid. He's arguing the facts of the firings but the point here is that Miers and Bolten have ignored supoenas from Congress. He's talking about a debate on executive privilege but that debate is proper for the judiciary at this point and Bush is blocking the judiciary from being admitted. Again, Cannon brings up the facts when that is not the point. Thank God, he just yielded. Enough of him already.

[flyarm]

48. WAS NIXON THE FIRST TO USE EXEC PRIVLEDGE? ANYONE KNOW??

i am on rampage calling their offices and going on attack!!


who was the first pres to use exec privledge?? anyone know????????

any historians here?????????
fly

[displacedtexan]

Here you go.

LINK

[Spazito]

74. Executive privilege has been used from the beginning, it seems...

Although claims of executive privilege have been made since the administration of George Washington, the law remains remarkably unclear, partly because the relevant actors have usually tried to avoid a direct confrontation if possible. Thus, who prevails in the current controversy may turn out to be less a matter of what the law is, than of who blinks first: Congress (acting through Comptroller General Walker), the Administration, or the courts.



The Constitution nowhere expressly mentions executive privilege. Presidents have long claimed, however, that the constitutional principle of separation of powers implies that the Executive Branch has a privilege to resist certain encroachments by Congress and the judiciary, including some requests for information.

For example, in 1796, President Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents relating to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with England. The Senate alone plays a role in the ratification of treaties, Washington reasoned, and therefore the House had no legitimate claim to the material. Accordingly, Washington provided the documents to the Senate but not the House.

Eleven years later, the issue of executive privilege arose in court. Counsel for Aaron Burr, on trial for treason, asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum--an order requiring the production of documents and other tangible items--against President Thomas Jefferson, who, it was thought, had in his possession a letter exonerating Burr.

more

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020206.html

[WinkyDink]

77. Google:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/21/executive.priv/index.html

[napi21]

80. No. Yesterday someone on CNN said EP was first claimed in the 1950's

and had something to do with some war plane crash info that was requested. The WH claimed releasing the info would jeprodize nat'l security. When the info was finally released over 40 years later, there was NO security info there! All it was was the st'd details.

[flyarm]

146. i heard that as well!! thanks all for yoru answers!! eom

[Jack Rabbit]

97. No

The modern idea of EP goes back to Eisenhower who used a claim as a way to tell Joe McCarthy to bug off. I've seen some claim that Washington invoked EP.

In any case, today's Jack Rabbit challenge is to find any authority for EP in the Constitution.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

130. The History of Executive Privilege

http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/leftcoastleaner/archives/2007/06/the_history_of.html

--- hope it helps


How to fix the executive-privilege logjam. By Bruce Fein

http://www.slate.com/id/2170479/

[VP505]

49. "The WH is not

involved in wrong doing", ya and the ocean ain't wet and grass ain't green.

[bdamomma]

58. when will they "own" up to the illegal shit that has been

happening, they are accomplices if they back this insane regime we have.

[old guy]

50. Is this really necessary?

All the posturing and foolishness? Just take the vote and get it over with. Nothing any of them say is going to sway any votes.

[MrMickeysMom]

52. Agreed! n/t

[tridim]

54. Is the vote a simple majority?

If so, I agree just get it over with.

[KoKo]

59. Repugs are using House Rules to Obstruct. Remember they've changed the rules since they

have been in power for so long...Gingrich Revolution.

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. Yes, it is. Maybe they are making a RECORD? Just a guess.

They need to get EVERYTHING on record for posterity:) and legal proceedings to come.;)

[rodeodance]

57. gotta do the process

[LSK]

69. yes, this is how our Govt works and how it SHOULD work

We do not want a one party system where only one party can speak do we?

[rodeodance]

51. clerk is reading an Amendment from Cannon

[Lasher]

60. Care to guess who wrote the ammendment she is reading right now?

President Cheney's lawyer - what's his name?

[Richard Steele]

64. Satan?

[Lasher]

87. No, I don't think Cheney would have written that all by himself.

[KoKo]

93. Bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Satan!

[desi]

86. Fielding

of raygun and 9/11 Commission "fame." One minor problem with this Chris "Loose" Cannon amendment. It does not reveal WHO made up the list of fired attorneys.

[Hepburn]

67. Hello????

That is TESTIMONY.....where the hell does that belong in this pleading???

GMAFB....!!

[Richard Steele]

89. It's unbelievable. Completely irrelevant and inappropriate. I'm ready to bust a vein here.

Why can't they make these shitheads either talk about the
SUBJECT AT HAND or STFU?

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. Do the repukes REALLY want to give the next President, A DEMOCRAT, the powers they are willing to

give the psycho? OF COURSE NOT. That's why I think THEY think they will be in power for a long, long time....they aren't planning on leaving office. It's the ONLY explanation for what they are doing. WHY else would they want a PRESIDENT to have dictatorial powers?

[MrMickeysMom]

63. All the exec orders say you are right-

... but, it hasn't sunk in to the unwashed masses, yet...

I'm so disgusted.

[mod mom]

EXACTLY. they have no intention in handing over power in '08

This is why I believe the repugs and the corporate media lap dogsare pushing Hillary. They will use her devisiveness as a way to explain then how there was a surprise Repug win in 08.

[in_cog_ni_to]

114. MY theory is...a MIHOP terrorist attack, psycho will then declare martial law and no election in '08

They've already started their drumbeat of terror! terror! terror! is coming to the USA. Just watch. There WILL BE a terrorist attack in Sept.or Oct. of 2008.

[KharmaTrain]

84. It's Part Of The Bloodpact

Repugnicans are short-sighted...they do before they think and then lie and distort to cover-up their ignorance and arrogance. This is a classic display.

Cannon's game here is to obstruct and distort. It's part of a systemic, orchestrated obstruction to shut the government down in the vain hopes that voters will blame the Democrats for creating problems...and to keep their own diminishing ranks in line.

This is a slash & burn defense...there is no consideration about the future ramifications.

[bdamomma]

61. whose testimony is this?

what BS. I do not trust this government at all.

[MrMickeysMom]

65. An ammendment from Chris Cannon

[A wise Man]

85. Cannon is totally

changing the contempt charge to "BS" time consumption

[Hepburn]

73. What he is proposing as an amendment...

...does contain testimony...and IMO it is improper to place that in this document.

[blogslut]

75. I think these are amendments that Cannon

wants entered into the record

[Lasher]

78. She is reading, in full, an ammendment offered by Cannon.

Seems to me this is a sleazy way to hog up the agenda with Cannon's talking points.

[Richard Steele]

62. They just keep droning on about IRRELEVANT SHIT that has NOTHING to do with contempt.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :argh:

[rodeodance]

68. Cannon just should have replayed all the testimony for the last hearnings!!---to

include in his amendment.

[sinkingfeeling]

70. I guess Cannon's 'amendment' is just a chance to rewrite the history behind these

charges and get it into the record.

[Hepburn]

88. What he is proposing is totally irrlevant...

...to whether Meiers did or did not comply with a subpeona to appear.

This proposed bullshit has -0- to do with whether she was there or not. A person subpoenaed to testify has NO defense to not appearing by avering that the proceeding was wrong. And that basically is what the bullshit that Cannon is proposing says.

Harriet and Bolton have NO safe port in saying that nothing wrong went on...so they did not have to appear and answer questions. That, IMO, is the gravamen of what Cannon's bullshit language is all about.

JMHO

[Wednesdays]

71. WTF...is this a stall tactic?

:boring:

[WinkyDink]

79. Are the Republicans traitors?

[aquart]

99. Yes. The party of treason since....at least Nixon.

And back to Eisenhower if you count the Dulles brothers.

[WinkyDink]

115. Heh. It was a "Is the Pope Catholic?" crack!

[Wednesdays]

137. The Bush-Walker corruption dates back to World War I

or even earlier.

[MrMickeysMom]

82. Yes!

[displacedtexan]

72. And now it's time for Rs to waste some time.

:nopity:

[MrMickeysMom]

76. This is fucking great... Cannon's just going to have this entered into the record

.... and suck up all the fucking time.

Get some balls in an uproar, Mr. Chairman!

[VP505]

94. Wonder what rules

allow the chair to put a stop to that crap, if there are any???

[helderheid]

81. Wha wha WHA???? Cannon wants the President to have IMPERIAL status - above this kind of review????

[MrMickeysMom]

92. EEEEEEEEENOUGH!!!!!

[LSK]

yes, that is a right wing ideology that is out there

[helderheid]

104. it's completely ANTI-AMERICAN.

[bdamomma]

83. OMG they want an imperial presidency, is this what I heard.

[helderheid]

90. he flat out fucking said that. WOW!!!

[bdamomma]

103. these guys are sick they call themselves Americans.

[rodeodance]

113. I thought I heard that also but perhps it was his convoluted way of saying it--rather smark-alaky

[marmar]

91. Can anyone decode this cryptic bullshit coming out of Cannon's mouth?

:shrug:

[helderheid]

98. The President needs to be above the Congress - fuck checks and balances.

[Hepburn]

102. Yeah....

...it's a bullshit defense that since has been proved to be wrong so far, we cannot go forward.

What a crock of shit.

[KoKo]

106. It's all disruption....Very different from Senate Hearings....But, it seems to be a Debate rather

than hearing. It's pretty dreadful trying to watch and listen...

[rodeodance]

95. Cannon says this is an emotional issue---YES, I agree, our constitution was being

stepped on.


But i do not think that is what Cannon boy is referring to!!

[AndyA]

96. Cannon, you and the rest of the Repukes are gonna have to find another country.

Imperial Presidency is not in the Constitution. In fact, it's kind of the reason why this country exists.

Someone get this idiot a hot dog so he'll STFU!

[SeattleGirl]

100. Ooooh, he's "concerned".

:eyes:

[Buttercup McToots]

110. Yuck

Somebody shut him up...he is icky...

[LSK]

124. Conyers should say "Your concern is noted"

:rofl:

[A wise Man]

101. Get some order

and tell this fuck to shut-up

[SeattleGirl]

108. Amen! He'd make more sense if he were quoting Jabberwocky

[Richard Steele]

Indeed. This bullshit approaches INSANITY.

Unbelievable.

[bdamomma]

111. why let this guy ramble

god, this is sickening.

[WinkyDink]

105. The "wrong-doing" is DEFYING A SUBPOENA, YOU A**H**E!!!

[blogslut]

107. Cannon is the King of stall

What a fun job!

[Drum]

Do I have this right? Cannon says there isn't enough evidence

to justify the committee suing to get more evidence?

What a tool. :(

[Richard Steele]

121. And they shouldn't have to turn over evidence because there's no evidence of wrongdoing.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drum]

136. I just can't believe how people like Cannon can get a wink of sleep with such

a dirty conscience. The fact that he and his ilk presume to speak in the interest of Americans is mind-boggling.

[MrMickeysMom]

109. Chris Cannon's DC line is 202-225-5629. Flood them with calls!

[Hepburn]

125. Got it and calling! Thank you! n/t

[Atman]

127. That's a FAX line...so flood 'em with FAXES

Thanks for the number. It's probably good I didn't get through...I was too pissed to be talking.

.

[KoKo]

112. Shouldn't there be TIME LIMITS on this BLOVIATING!!!!

[KoKo]

118. delete....wrong guy.....

[Lasher]

132. I just love Conyers' style

[bdamomma]

pettiness, and stop invoking the American people

you do not think for us.

[AndyA]

116. Yes, Cannon, you are correct. The American people ARE disgusted.

With you, your party, your administration, your lies, your war, all of it.

I agree with you!

[Atman]

138. No, that line will be the sound bite used on any news reports about the hearing.

Oh, wait a minute...news reports about the hearing? How silly of me.

.

[LSK]

117. oh god, we have to hear Sensonasshole next????

:puke:

[rodeodance]

119. Cannon asserts that the 'American people are disquested" with the pettyness.--Ha HA

[Drum]

120. Amendment to Cannon's amendment: stfu. nt

[blogslut]

122. heehee

Cannon ends his blow and a fart sound follows. How appropriate

[MrMickeysMom]

123. Sorry!, Chris Cannon's DC number is 202-225-7751!

[Hepburn]

140. Thanks for the correction....

....I was just about to call when I saw this! :hi:

[Richard Steele]

126. OH, thank you for the SANITY Mr. Conyers!

[AndyA]

128. Conyers taking baby steps with Cannon.

Got to explain the way it works, hot dog doesn't understand the process, apparently.

Anyone order hot dogs yet? :popcorn:

[global1]

129. How Come These Guys Always Bring Up That The American People Aren't Concerned About These......

matters. How can they speak for the American people. The American people have been demanding an end to this war - are they listening to that?

[marmar]

131. "I fully respect the gentleman's right.....to be a king-sized asshole."

As a Detroiter, I felt compelled to offer my intepretation of fellow Detroiter Conyers' statement. :)

[MiniMe]

133. THREAD 3 UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431023

[in_cog_ni_to]

134. Ah shit! It sounds like it's NOT going to be INHERENT CONTEMPT! Cannon just mentioned "losing in

court" and INHERENT CONTEMPT has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COURTS!:cry:

This means the RW courts will rule in the psycho's favor.

[Norquist Nemesis]

144. I suspect they're testing the threats from His Majesty to the DOJ n/t

[helderheid]

135. I stepped away - did Conyers call him on the "Imperial status" remark for the President?

[Lasher]

142. Ask again in thread 3. Link upthread.

[helderheid]

143. already did :)

[rodeodance]

139. Cnyers to Cannon---you idiot--can't you see that we are trying to GET the evidence but

Miers et all is OBSTRUCTING us from getting the evidence.


te he-----I paraphased.

[Norquist Nemesis]

141. What a disgrace Cannon is! Claims "we might lose" and create

an Imperial Presidency...boo! :eyes: Guess what, Mr. Cannon: DOING NOTHING CREATES AN IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY THROUGH PRECEDENT! you partisan dickwad!!!

[L. Coyote]

145. *** Official House Judiciary Contempt Hearing Thread 3 ***

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431023