*** Official House Judiciary Contempt Hearing Thread #3 ***

[MiniMe]

CSPAN3 http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

Thread 2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1430755&mesg_id=1430755

[Richard Steele]

1. Conyers started correcting Cannon's LIES just in time for me.

I was about to pop an artery listening to that treasonous piece of shit.

[AndyA]

8. treasonous piece of shit

Best description of Cannon I've heard so far. Add stupid in there somewhere, and it's perfection! :rofl:

[Sweet Freedom]

38. Stupid treasonous piece of shit :) /nt

[MiniMe]

2. Conyers taking about the parlimentarian

[Subdivisions]

3. Kick

[helderheid]

4. I stepped away - did Conyers call him on the "Imperial status" remark for the President?

[Lasher]

12. Yes, he did. Made Cannon 'clarify' his statement.

[helderheid]

25. did cannon?

[Lasher]

137. Yes but I don't remember what he said.

[AndyA]

18. Not yet...

I hope that remark is all over the Internet within the hour. Finally, someone reveals the truth to the GOP's strategy - and on record.

[Wednesdays]

33. Yes! It obviously won't be in the M$M

But the blogosphere should be all over this!

:bounce:

Spread the word!

[Breeze54]

He said B* had "Imperial status"??

:wtf:

Oh gheezzze, just heard Keller say Clinton did it!! :eyes:

[KoKo]

5. Conyers....trying to explain to Repugs what this is....

[SeattleGirl]

6. Conyers sounds like he's explaining something to a dense child.

Which I guess he is!

[LSK]

11. and the Repukes will still not get it

[SeattleGirl]

14. I know.

[Lasher]

19. You can not pour tea into a full cup.

[rodeodance]

15. no, I would not insult a child by comparing to Cannon---Cannon is a Bush loyalist to the tee!!

[bdamomma]

16. yes, he is sure explaining alot to these repigs.

[Richard Steele]

43. "You cannot wake someone who is PRETENDING to be asleep." nm

[LSK]

7. we are voting on the narrow issue of the refusal to comply to the subpeona

They are impeeding us to get results.

[marmar]

9. Exactly, the hearing is about the contempt citations.....

As usual, the Repugs are trying to bob, weave and deflect with tangential issues.

[MiniMe]

10. Conyers said that this contempt deals only with not complying with subpeonas

Not with anything else. It is a narrow band of contempt

[Hepburn]

13. Geeeeeeez, I just looked up the bio of Chris Asshole Cannon...

...and the jerk is a friggin' lawyer. He should KNOW better than to try and put that kind of language in a document like that. Man, what an idiot!

[SeattleGirl]

21. He's doing his best "crooked lawyer" schtick.

[Jack Rabbit]

24. All the members of the JC are lawyers

It's a requirement to sit on the committee.

[Hepburn]

44. Thanks for the info.....I should have realized that! LOL

I am soooooooo ashamed of how some of these assholes come across. As a lawyer myself, I am totally ashamed of the kind of absolute bullshit and attempts to hide the issues which are coming from people like Chris Cannon.

I gotta say, tho, it is really hard for me to believe that Cannon actually graduated from law school and passed any legit state bar in that the arguments being made by him are total and complete garbage.

[rodeodance]

27. like the WH, he pushes the legal envelope-----to the point that is it has lots

of holes in it.

[Gregorian]

17. OMG. It's Wednesday!!!

And it's only about contempt. Not the results of the investigation. Miers toasted over roasting coals.

[MiniMe]

22. Ding Ding Ding

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Ah shit! It sounds like it's NOT going to be INHERENT CONTEMPT! Cannon just mentioned "losing in

court" and INHERENT CONTEMPT has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COURTS! :cry:

This means the RW courts will rule in the psycho's favor.

WHY would Conyers NOT use INHERENT CONTEMPT???

[LSK]

31. how do you know thats not next??? Congress is a slow process

Nobody here seems to understand that.

[lynnertic]

37. maybe to call W.H. bluff

[bdamomma]

39. maybe conyers is going to use "inherent contempt"

after holding them in contempt. Just guessing.

[ramapo]

54. I don't think they have the stones for inherent contempt

Maybe it'll be a last resort after the contempt charge is ignored by DOJ.

[Mist]

23. Well, Conyers schooled them properly! Plus, having a ton of verbiage to

be entered into the Congressional Record, overwhelming the verbiage of the idiot Cannon.

[blogslut]

26. heehee

Jonyers to Cannon "Um, yeah. Did you get the memo about those TPS Reports?"

Lamar is a speech reviewer now. Came pretty short of well, he came pretty short.

[bdamomma]

28. oh god another repig.

come on let's get with it, yes, I have no patience.

[marmar]

29. "Loaves of bread?"

Texas produces good steaks, but sorry-ass politicians.

[bobthedrummer]

30. Is this The House of Representatives or a flashback to something like The Weimar Republic?

Impeach Cheney first.

[LSK]

32. Conyers: "Your mic isnt working, we might have to have that investigated"

:rofl:

[MiniMe]

34. Sanchez up

[Hepburn]

35. Hello, hello, hello ~~ Repuke idiots on the House Judic Committee:

The issue is NOT as to the outcome ~~ so far ~~ of this investigation, but it is ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DIRTY HARRIET AND BOLTON ARE IN CONTEMPT FOR DISOBEDIENCE TO A CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENA TO APPEAR.

Hello??? I looked up some of you Repukes...and you actually have law degrees ~~ how difficult is it for you Bush butt kissers to get back on point?

You are full of shit ~~ the investigation is ON GOING....what YOU and the bastards in the WH think are the ultimate conclusions are fucking irrelevant to the disobedience of a lawful subpoena!

Sheesh!

Edit for typo

[Wednesdays]

57. Yes, they're all lawyers...all paid-for attorneys for the defense

And the stakes are very high.

[rodeodance]

36. Sanchez--McNolte's views are OPIN--not FACTS (she knows her case)

[rodeodance]

42. she is refutting soem of the 'facts" from Cannon amendment. Whow--listen

to her go!!

[blogslut]

40. Sanchez gives the other evidence

refuting Cannon's "evidence". In other words, she supplies BOTH sides of the facts so far.

[Lasher]

41. Sanchez refuting Loose Cannon's cherrypicking

[bdamomma]

45. he's rude isn't he?

just cut in on her.

[blogslut]

46. I've identified the fart sound

It's the microphones. When they move them, it makes a fart-like sound

[Lasher]

51. No, I'm pretty sure that was Cannon speaking

[blogslut]

59. LOL

I guess you're right. :)

[LSK]

47. we are here seeking additional information to clear up this investigation

[ljm2002]

48. Please, Conyers, make Cannon stop butting in!

He did wait for Sanchez to finish -- but he did *not* ask to be recognized. These guys are sticklers for procedure -- make them adhere to proper procedure.

Sanchez is doing a good job in pointing out the fallacies in Cannon's position.

[KharmaTrain]

49. The Silence Of Tex...

I think I see Ko-Tex Sensennbrenner sitting there...he's been awfully quite lately.

[blogslut]

50. TEX Sensenbrenner!

He brings his own tissues!

[LSK]

hes from Wisconsin

[Lasher]

Sez this is a needless escallation

Let me say why: President Cheney told me to say so.

[ralps]

Gack!! Senselessbrenner!! I hope We'll get to kick him out of the Congress

next year! :mad: :puke: :grr:

[A wise Man]

52. Cannon is there to disrupt the hearings

he's been interrupting speakers all morning.

[tridim]

94. He's obstructing justice, just like Meyers. Shame. nt

[LSK]

53. CUT HIS MIC OFF!!!!!!!!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

58. I second that motion!!!

:nuke:

[Hepburn]

69. Yes!!! I have heard ENOUGH from his big mouth.

And Sensenbrenner...STFU, OK? Your point? Ignore the conduct? GMFB!

[desi]

70. One thing he can not do today..

Adjourn the meeting and take the gavel home LOL...

[bdamomma]

82. thank goodness, sensenbrenner has no love for conyers either

how can they be so friendly with each other.

[babylonsister]

55. Sensenbrenner - EWWWW! nt

[Enrique]

I bet his breath smells like bratwurst

[Drum]

56. Rove's name comes up...sure to cause a shiver down GOP spines...

[eleny]

60. How novel that Sensenbrenner is concerned about Congressional oversight

[bdamomma]

61. sensenbrenner what a arrogant man.

another asswipe, needless escalation??? unbelieveable.
I can't listen to him either.

[Gregorian]

62. Senslessbrenner- Ah, let's all just go home.

Yuck!

Edit- You're just going to lose in our packed courts anyways. Geez.

[Lasher]

75. Senselessbrenner, hahahahahaha!

[rodeodance]

63. Stensenbrenner is up--SUPPORTS the amendment.--says 'needless escalazion" by

putting forth contempt charges today

[rocktivity]

72. But he's talking about inherent contempt being needless escalation

The goal, today at least as statutory contempt. What is this, a pre-emptive strike?

:mad:
rocknation

[bobthedrummer]

64. Saleh Kamel's Wisconsin asset:Sensenbrenner

:mad:

[rodeodance]

76. ah KOTEX MAN from ----the GREAT STATE of WISCONSIN!

[marmar]

65. Umm, who provoked the Constitutional crisis, Herr Senselessbrenner?

These Repugs are unbelievable.

[bdamomma]

71. thank god, these clowns do not have the majority anymore.

we would be in deeper shit than we are now huh?

[helderheid]

66. THIS IS ABOUT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

67. Look It's Mr Potato Head!

[ljm2002]

68. No, please, non Sensenbrenner!

"We might lose, and that will mean we are weakened"

Never mind that the executive branch is collectively thumbing their noses at Congress -- that is just A-OK with him.

[MiniMe]

73. Let me see if I have this right

Senlessbrenner thinks that in order for congress to keep their investigory rights for future presidents, they should not go after this president.

Huh?? That makes no sense at all, it just highlights that this president doesn't care about the rule of law.

[Richard Steele]

83. I've gotten computer-generated SPAM that made more sense. Just more irrelevant BS.

[Norquist Nemesis]

100. Ah, yes...you see "their" is the Cons. Actually, the Cons argument

fully supports going forward and getting a final word on Exec Priv. By doing nothing, they are actually giving up their 'investigatory rights' by setting a precedent. Over and over and over and over they claim "Clinton did it!" as precedent; will they be smacking their collective heads with a big "doh!" when(IF???) a Democrat holds the Presidency and cites Bush as setting the precedent for far-reaching Exec Priv?

[Richard Steele]

74. OH FUCK YOU SENSENBRENNER! just STFU you dishonest sack of gas.

[marmar]

77. "The Majority, who have the votes to pass it...."

Yup, so shut the fuck up!

[aquart]

Is Sensenbrenner saying the Court is fixed?

Let George walk all over us because the Court will say he can anyway?

I wish I could give them a jolt of electricity every time they say "partisan."

[A wise Man]

78. Let's make this simple

If you don't honor a supponea, then the law will come and get you. So send in the law and arrest them.

[bobthedrummer]

79. "two branches of government.."

:wtf:

[Gregorian]

80. Well he's right. It's partisan clashing.

But we're only playing THEIR game.

[Norquist Nemesis]

81. Senselessbringer "thinks the WH would win"...Gosh! Is that because

the courts are stacked maybe?

[bdamomma]

86. sensenbrenner is on the dark side too.

gee, is his time up.

[rodeodance]

88. yes, even Dem scholars are saying that. That is why it would be best to

Keep the trial in the HOUSE.

[Norquist Nemesis]

Fully agree! But they also have to test the recent order from Bush

to not bring any of it to the court. Put another notch on the Impeachment stick!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

84. I'm Late To The Party, Can Someone Please Help Me Out?

Are they going for Inherent Contempt, or do they plan to just ask nicely?

[rodeodance]

97. What to do -wheat avenue to take is the nextt step---This is just about bringing

forth a contempt violation.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

105. Thanks

I think that step is ultimately the one that matters.

Otherwise it's just "theatre."

[in_cog_ni_to]

104. No. It sounds like it's going to the D.C. U.S. attorney. We all know that's going NOWHERE, but

as posted above, Inherent Contempt may be NEXT.

[bunny planet]

85. Wish we could shut off your mike and shut off the lights just for you

Senselessbrenner.
Thank you Congressman Conyers, this constitutional crisis was not brought on by us.

[Lasher]

121. LOL!!!

Good one! :thumbsup:

[mulsh]

87. take it to the DC District Court

and watch it die a quick death. Maybe Mr. Potato-head will plead the case himself.

[ljm2002]

89. Woo hoo Schiff!!!

Lay it down bro'

[Richard Steele]

90. NO LEGAL SUPPORT FOR THAT WHATSOEVER! And that's what this is about, morans!

[bdamomma]

91. Schiff is talking now, sound talking.

[Hepburn]

92. Right on, Rep Schiff!

You got that one right ~~ those two assholes just blew off legit subpoenas.

:applause:

[bdamomma]

98. Woo hooo

challenge the bastards use your powers. shit!

[blogslut]

93. Schiff is awesome

The audacity of blowing off a subpoena. No legal support. No precedent. They can't just say "Im not going to show up."

[Drum]

102. I'm liking this a lot!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[bdamomma]

112. yup, for them perhaps but for us, I don't think so.

[bdamomma]

120. oh here we go again Clinton "Clinton

Clinton did not start a fucking war on false pretenses. Shut up Keller!!!!

[Lasher]

95. Here's what Senselessbrenner said about impeaching Clinton

"The president engaged in a conspiracy of crimes to prevent justice from being served. These are impeachable offenses for which the president should be convicted," Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisconsin) said Thursday in his overview of the managers' case.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/01/14/impeachment/

But now he advises discretion.

[Gregorian]

96. What they're talking about here also applies to impeachments.

I'm loving this discussion.

We may not win, but we're going to try.

[bunny planet]

99. This guy Schiff is doing great.

amen to everything he's saying!!!!!!

[Drum]

107. Amen, Mr. Schiff!!!

Great points all, cutting through the bullshit, and framing this all very well!

[Drum]

119. Asshole now, saying "Democrat President."

And getting out the ole "but Clinton did it" tune. :eyes:


OOPS---Edit: this was a reply to OP, meaning Kellerspeak, not re: the excellent Schiff statement. :blush:

[A wise Man]

101. Adam Schif is trying to explain common sense

to a bunch of dummies. 1+1=2

[Blackhatjack]

103. Really this is an easy one .... no question regarding contempt for not showing up under subpoena

Repubs are going to see themselves in lots of opposition political ads if they vote against the citation of contempt in this matter.

[L. Coyote]

106. SCHIFF: "Contempuous refusal to appear"

Administration "violated the rule of law"

...

"do not allow the White House to be so contemptuous of this institution ..."

[marmar]

108. Than "Democrat" presidents?

Can't these assholes come up with anything original?

[blogslut]

109. Schiff

"You will rue the day you sat on your hands"

[bobthedrummer]

110. He's not my President-he only occupies the office he stole

[Gregorian]

111. Shiff's comments are extremely critical. Pivotal discussion.

America hinges on the acceptance of the contempt of the republicans.

[LSK]

113. Blame the Clenis time!!!!!

[napi21]

125. Clinton claimed EP many times more than Shrub?????

Why don't I believe THAT!

[Norquist Nemesis]

131. Even if true, Bush still has several months to catch and surpass him. n/t

[Hepburn]

114. CLINTON, CLINTON, CLINTON.......STFU, Keller! n/t

[helderheid]

115. BUT DID THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION EVER IGNORE SUBPOENAS??

[Mojorabbit]

116. OH no

my rep Keller. Bleh

[babylonsister]

117. Ric Keller: And again, Clinton is worse than *, always has been.

:puke:

[AndyA]

Clinton again. Thanks, Keller. Have a hot dog and STFU...

Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton Clinton

That's all they ever seem to have. Another rerun.

[bdamomma]

133. boy these guys hate clinton don't they? that is why that wanted

his ass out so bad, plus he got re elected by us!! they do not like dem presidents at all. they do not like the idea the Bush 1 was not elected again, or this ball of imperialism would have been here already. just ranting sorry.

[Gregorian]

118. Keller- Clinton did it too! But that is a lie.

[ljm2002]

122. Please, someone, shoot down the "Clinton did it" talking points

For example, please cite statistics on how many people in Clinton's administration came before Congress -- and how many times they blew off subpoenas.

[helderheid]

127. Clinton DIDN'T ignore subpoenas!

[ljm2002]

138. Well that is exactly my point!!! n/t

[MiniMe]

123. THREAD 4 HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431378

[Richard Steele]

124. Oh fer fuckssake- Keller's back to the "Clinton" mantra. I'm out of here.

Blood pressure can't take this much blatant dishonest bullshit.

God be with y'all.

[in_cog_ni_to]

126. Keller...CLINTON! CLINTON! CLINTON!!! WHY don't the DEMS start throwing REAGAN AND NIXON in their

faces??:grr:

G-d I hate those fuckers...with every fiber of my being!!

[Breeze54]

134. What a repuke idiot!

:puke:

I'm with you on that complete hate! :grr:

[L. Coyote]

128. KELLER: Clinton, Clinton, Clinton,

Who wrote his speech?

[Blackhatjack]

129. Keller(R-Florida) may be watching his career come to an end....

... might as well go out with a disingenuous argument I guess.

[aquart]

130. The talking point is "No evidence."

No evidence because they don't show up to testify is why the hearing is being held, but they keep repeating "No evidence."

When this is no longer a democracy, can I strangle them then?

[nini]

132. who is the whiny fat ass?

CLENIS?!?!?!??!?!??!



zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[L. Coyote]

135. *** House Judiciary Contempt Hearing Thread 4 ***

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431378

[Gregorian]

136. Who do these republicans think they're dupping!

God, it's the same mentality I see from the most retarded all the way to the top. They're living in an alternative universe.