Sheehan Protests Conyers The Day He's Calling 2 Bush Admin. Officials In Contempt Of Congress

[KittyWampus]

Here's a quote from a fellow DU'er (FreepFryer):

"I find it incredible that these attacks are taking place on the very day his committee is voting whether to find 2 Bush admin officials in contempt of Congress."

And now more posts this morning again attacking Conyers.

Who is giving Sheehan advice?

Before I was sure her hangers-on were a bunch of attention hounds using her fame for their own benefit.

Now I can't help but wonder if she's got some infiltrators. Especially since her anti-Dem diatribe that spewed right wing talking points.

Or maybe it's that the psychic vampires surrounding Sheehan have just provided the GOP trolls with great ammunition to divide the Left. And the timing was purely incidental.

JUST as the Left and CONYERS is getting close to the bone.

[bryant69]

1. I don't know

I think that's a pretty strong accusation; and it's not like her actions are really going to make Conyers less aggressive. Don't get me wrong; I think what Sheehan is doing is unwise at best.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Blue_Roses]

2. She's lost all credibility

with me and many others that I've talked to.

[Madspirit]

99. Yeah...that's why a pro-Cindy thread just got 239 recommendations...haha...n/t

[realisticphish]

130. wow

200 out of 100,000 on a decidedly left wing board? gasp!

[Madspirit]

141. It's a LOT more than most get

Only a certain percentage even post but you know that. YOU KNOW IT GOOD AND FUCKING WELL. This is a lot of recs. Deal.
Lee

[Madspirit]

143. In Fact

It got twice the recs the official thread on NOT supporting Cindy got. lalala

Lee

[Toots]

145. That is just ridiculous and you know it

How many posts have you ever seen here with even a thousand post let alone a hundred thousand. That number is every person ever to register here in almost seven years. I would bet that way more than half have not posted in years or plain been tombstoned.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. John Conyers Speaks For Me

Carry on...

[Quantess]

4. Something stinks.

She's busy attacking Dems, but not the war-mongering neocons. Of course she has cheerleaders on the far-right. Her actions are destructive, and counter-active to her initial cause.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. "You" Always Attack The Party Closest To You...

That's why the Social Democrats and the Communists couldn't mount a united front against the Nazis... That and Stalin telling the Communists not to cooperate with bourgeoisie parties...

[mmonk]

115. If she's attacking the dems, it's because they are not

attacking the war mongering neocons enough in her opinion.

[creeksneakers2]

163. Rash Limbaugh did a very sympathetic bit about Cindy

Rash said the left used Cindy and then callously dumped her as soon as she spoke up with her true feelings.

The fascists are on the Cindy followers' side.

[dollie300]

5. Right now, she seems to be the best candidate the Republicans have.

I certainly supported Sheehan up to now. But attacking the very people who are on your side seems really ridiculous. She is free to exercise her rights but I am free to criticize her when I think she is wrong and harming the Dem cause.

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. I'm just tired of her, sick and tired of her

She's gotten to the point of making a silly spectacle of herself and isn't being very smart about things. Does she really want to end the war...I'm sure she does, but she's completely off base on the way to go about it.

[UTUSN]

6. Yip, the holiers-than-thou spend more effort attacking Dems than Rethugs n/t

[Richard Steele]

7. Infiltrators working for the Pro-War crowd are advising her nowadays. That's all I can figure.

Honestly, outside of complete insanity, what other
explanation is there? :shrug:

[asjr]

13. I agree. Something is very wrong now.

I have avoided taking any sides on this issue simply because I don't know enough about it, but I did so admire her in the beginning. It took courage for her to do what she did then. It now seems that it is more about her than it is getting out the truth. I have no idea who her counselors are but I think they are not giving her good advice.

[bdamomma]

56. agreed, they are not giving her the right advice

she needs to re group with the right advice, and approach. She should go against the enemy the repigs not the dems.

[Hobarticus]

104. Think Cindy's smart enough to make her own mistakes...

...and she's definitely on a roll.

[Beelzebud]

128. That's all you can figure?

Well gosh golley gee darn, i'm fixing to figure.

[Richard Steele]

153. The attitude of arrogant & sneering condescension currently spreading amongst her supporters...

...certainly was of no little account in my "figuring".

It seems to be a fairly recent development, and not at all
in character with the tone Cindy herself initially established
for her anti-war efforts.

[zalinda]

9. I've been saying for months

that attacking the very people that could help you is dumb. Think "Golden Rule" people. If you are trying your best in a difficult situation, how likely will you want to help someone who is attacking you.

zalinda

[Swamp Rat]

10. It is certainly possibile that fascist GOP infiltrators are attempting to screw things up.

They have done it before many many many times.

[Richard Steele]

17. And you know she's gotta be a HUGE target for that sort of thing.

Cindy came out of NOWHERE and grabbed some serious
public attention, and had nothing to LOSE that they
could use to control her. She had them shitting bricks
every time she stepped in front of a camera.

And now she's suddenly doing things that make the warmongers
SMILE. There's gotta be some explanation for it.

[Swamp Rat]

24. Medea's editorial smells

I have supported Medea Benjamin and Code Pink in the past, but her recent editorial belies a problem that may be very serious - Rovian operatives on the inside.

John Conyers is one of the best reps we have; he's a man of the People.

Something is rotten in Denmark.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. He needs to listen to the people

[Swamp Rat]

47. Yes he does.

But I fear some infiltration has occured.

The GOP has done it many times before.

Rove does it whever possible.

The M$M is exploiting this as we speak.

Did you see Tucker last night? Or FUX Noise?

Something is wrong proud2Blib. At least consider the possibility.

[Vilis Veritas]

58. She does spend a lot of time on a certain Radio host show...

here in Texas.

AJ, some say is a nut job. I have listened to him interview her and she seems taken with his spin on things.

Just saying...

Peace

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. No I had a meeting last night

What did Tucker say?

[mondo joe]

83. And you're the voice of the people?

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. Just one of 923,668

[mondo joe]

100. Wow, 1/3 of 1% of the US population.

And you think that's the voice of the people?

[proud2BlibKansan]

I find it sad that you dismiss nearly 1,000,000 of those people

[mondo joe]

137. I don't dismiss them. I don't dismiss the other people either, as you do.

And I respect the fact that Conyers and Pelosi and their peers have MANY people to answer to.

[Yukari Yakumo]

152. Is it really 1 mil?

It's rather easy to turn a few thousand into a million with some careful manipulation. 1 person could have possibly signed it 10 or more times and no one would have noticed (or would have bothered to notice). Multiply that by the thousands and the million total would be well within reach.

[Forkboy]

175. Ok...prove your assertion then.

We got time to wait.I'll even check back tomorrow to see how it's coming along.

[redqueen]

79. If you look downthread you'll see DUers trashing him...

I can see people being frustrated and venting... but out-and-out trashing? Something is very rotten indeed.

[Marrah_G]

90. DU is full of disruptors today

Deliberate, obvious disruption and a very blatant hatred of the democratic party. I think it's pretty obvious where it is coming from, but the why part is a bit more elusive.

[LanternWaste]

168. A year ago, I would have scoffed at that suggestion...

A year ago, I would have scoffed at that suggestion, chuckled to myself, and then gone on to the next post, but lately...

Things are getting quite odd here these days. I saw what happened here in the 2004 election, and though it got snarky on a regular basis, it never seemed quite as embittered as it is today.

Cindy and Impeachment are the two most divisive issues on DU these days, and it's not merely the low-count posters stirring the pot, either. There's a small handful of DU veterans that appear to be stirring things up not out of a sense of duty or conviction, but just to stir things up.

I've never used either the Alert nor the Ignore function, but over the past three weeks I've been very tempted to do just that.

All other things being equal, I think the Dems have a great chance to retake the White House and enlarge our majority in both houses (Current odds- White House: 80%, enlarge majority in house: 75%, enlarge majority in Senate: 80%); and because of that, the question that keeps buzzing in my mind is that maybe, just maybe there really are some operatives exposing and then using our own internal division against us to whittle those odds down to their favor.

And I'll be damned if it doesn't appear to be working...

On Edit: I respect Conyers. I respect Sheehan. I respect the vast majority of congressional Democrats. I haven't come close to making up my mind on who I'll support in the primaries-- for myself, they all still have an equal chance of receiving my vote. I emphatically state this lest there be *any* inferences or misinterpretations that I myself have an agenda.

[TheOtherMaven]

11. Frankly, Conyers asked for trouble

when he made that stuttering half-comprehensible speech in San Diego that seemed to promise that if three more Congresspersons came on board he WOULD start impeachment proceedings.

If he didn't mean it, he should never have said it - or anything that could be interpreted to imply it.

If he DOES manage to nail those two Bushcritters' hides to the wall, I may start to think better of him...a little. But he's GOT to stop playing "Lucy and the football" with the rest of us.

[redqueen]

22. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[KittyWampus]

25. you have the anti-Conyers talking points down really well. A fair attempt at attacking him

while SEEMING to be from the Left.

That is how I now take your post. Sorry, but true.

Please reconsider your opinion of Conyers.

[EFerrari]

55. I agree with that post. Same thing happened in January

when he spoke with a great deal of passion and said we could fire Bush. The crowd started chanting "Impeach!"

The poster has a point.

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. I agree with that poster

Something is up with Conyers. Why did he even go to the PDA meeting in San Diego and say what he said - and then turn around 3 days later and say no he wouldn't impeach? These are questions that need to be answered.

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. But he has promised imoeachment in several speeches

not only San Diego

If he does not intend to, because he does not have the votes

Or political expediency is far more important

Then he will be called to the carpet over it

And if you think that is wrong

Well... I think it is wrong that we have members of congress not willing to do their consitutionally mandated duty

And yes, I have lost my trust in them

[Swamp Rat]

26. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Marrah_G]

30. when one of your first posts is a thinly disguised bash at a very liberal congressman ....

It makes me wonder.

Just saying!

:shrug:

[creeksneakers2]

33. Conyers never said 3 more people.

That's a third hand tale told by David Swanson that somehow managed to spread across the entire net. The story about Conyers saying that doesn't even make sense.

Conyers isn't playing Lucy with the football either.

The two greatest threats George Bush has right now are John Conyers and Nancy Pelosi. Sheehan and her followers are going after both of them. I think Karl Rove is behind all this. I noticed that the Green Party has been infiltrated by Libertarians. Cindy is spouting paranoid Libertarian talking points. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out Cindy is being manipulated by Karl Rove henchmen.

[Cameron27]

41. I've had it with Swanson, Sheehan

and the whole lot of them. They've lost any credibility they may have had, and yes, it sounds like they're spreading Libertarian BS.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Yes he did say 3 more

I have heard from people who were actually there in that room when he said he needed 3 more reps to sign on and he would move impeachment forward.

And your statements about Cindy and Rove are almost comical.

[creeksneakers2]

158. I read from one person there that Conyers said

that if EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM got three more votes he could begin impeachment. Far different statement.

The statement that is attributed to Conyers makes no sense in the first place. How would three people make a difference ?

Cindy may not be secretly communicating with Karl Rove but she's sure helping him out.

[pschoeb]

66. If Conyers didn't say it, he would have made a statement saying so by now

As this statement was released on July 21, it came from him speaking in San Diego at the Tri-Caucus Minority Health Summit, as reported by multiple sources, not actually David Swanson, he reported it second hand I believe. Conyers has known for over a month they were coming to his office on July 23rd, knowing that with Pelosi telling the party no to impeachment, it would be pretty hard for him to get three more, my guess is he made this statement in an attempt to still be for impeachment, but making it seem like it's out of his hands. My guess he is personally still for impeachment, but doesn't want to actually buck Pelosi's position.

here's just one, and a primary source at that
http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/chapters/ca-2007-07-22-10-48-14-chapters.php

But your right I bet all these people are part of the deep dark Cabal of Karl Rove

[creeksneakers2]

157. It doesn't sound to me like this is better than a third hand source

"He then spent time talking one-on-one and with small groups before he took to the podium. In his remarks, he said he needs three more Representatives to contact him in support of impeachment in order to move forward, with or without Nancy Pelosi. It is in his heart. It’s been there for a long time."

The writer doesn't state that she even personally witnessed Conyers saying this. All of these rumors about Conyers saying 3 more votes and he'll move could have come from one person that was in a one on one conversation.

As per Karl Rove, the tactics match. This isn't the only instance of Conyers being misquoted by Sheehan followers.

Here there's a false rumor that's spread all over the net followed by mass disappointment when what everybody got their hopes up for doesn't happen. That's the kind of thing Karl Rove would pull. Behind it or not, all this effort to separate John Conyers from his netroots helps Rove and hurts the left.

Your caption isn't true. Politicians rarely deny anything. Denials tend to make stories bigger. The fact that Conyers hasn't denied he made these statements in no way proves that Conyers actually did make the statements.

[pschoeb]

166. Oh please, since anyone who reads the article knows the writer actually helped organize the meeting

with Conyers in San Diego it's pretty much clear she was actually at the fricken event. The story actually has a fricken picture of the writer, Judy Hess giving a certificate to Conyers at the event. The group is the Progressive Democrats of America, John Conyers is one of their fricken Board Members, the main reason for the event was Health Care reform, it's clear the women who wrote this adores Conyers. Anyone who reads this article and can't figure this out, is either dumber than a rock, or has some other motive at being disingenuous. I'll post part of the article again so people can make their own decision.

http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/chapters/ca-2007-07-22-10-48-14-chapters.php

John Conyers Comes to PDA Metro San Diego
By Judy Hess, PDA Metro San Diego Chapter
July 22, 2007, San Diego, CA

If you ever get a call from PDA asking, “Can your chapter do a get-together for Rep. John Conyers in 47 hours?” just say “Yes!” And fasten your seat belt!

The ring of that phone Wednesday afternoon initiated two wild and crazy days, as our leadership team steamed into action, arranging for venue, food, invitations, and countless minor details, as well as putting out the usual fires that flare up with events of this nature. Chief among the firefighters were Carlos Richardson, Michael Lengyel, Derek Casady, and Mike Copass. Thanks guys–you’re the best–John Conyers says so, too. He thinks you’re awesome!

Dr. Bill Honigman, our perennial sticker on-er, stuck on our green stickers, passed out single-payer healthcare palm cards, pressed the flesh, and in general made everyone feel welcome. Thanks, Dr. Bill!

But about Rep. John Conyers—if you haven’t spent time with this powerhouse of a man, you really can’t appreciate his energy and dedication. While I drove them from the airport, he and his wonderful aide, Alexia, were already working the phones. As we waited for our table and our leaders (we were early), he had me call Marjorie Cohn, President of the National Lawyers Guild (who spoke at our meeting Thursday night) at the Oakland Airport, as he worked the local yellow pages to connect with yet more San Diegans!

We had a lovely, quiet lunch with members of our leadership team–on the water, right next to the USS Midway, now a museum. Rep. Conyers marveled at a slice of WWII history right here. Hmm, a justified war.

Then we were on to the Holiday Inn at the Bay, where we were greeted by our guests—not just from our chapter, but also members of the California Nurses Association–a lively contingent of red-scrubs-clad nurses, who were already at our reception. Rep. Conyers spoke with us about one of our most important issues today and a signature PDA Issue–Single Payer Health Care–and his own HR 676.

As he took the podium, he expressed his deep gratitude for the California Nurses Association, who’ve stood up to Ahhhnold, stood up with Michael Moore in Sacramento, and helped him, (along with us) put this issue “on the table”–front and center. In fact, Rep. Conyers was here to champion single-payer healthcare at the Congressional Tri-Caucus Minority Health Summit.

Yes, we’re coming to the “I” word! We all knew someone would bring it up, didn’t we?

But Rep. Conyers is a man of surprises. He burst into our room, which was bulging at the seams with supporters and emblazoned with a big “Impeach” sign, and exclaimed, “What are we waiting for? Let’s take them out!” The room jumped with applause and shouts of approval.

He then spent time talking one-on-one and with small groups before he took to the podium. In his remarks, he said he needs three more Representatives to contact him in support of impeachment in order to move forward, with or without Nancy Pelosi. It is in his heart. It’s been there for a long time.

While warm and enthusiastic, sometimes funny, he is a sober and deliberative man. His plate is very full with grave investigations now.

What will happen? It’s very hard to tell.

What you can tell without doubt is that John Conyers is one of us PDAers, through and through. He is so impressed with our Tim Carpenter. I’m told he raved about PDA and our Chapter in his speech at the Congressional Summit last night. He loved the framed certificate we gave him to show our appreciation, and to remember his day with our Chapter.

One more thing: Look out PDA Chapters—he may be coming your way, too! Enjoy!

[creeksneakers2]

173. The writer says the 3 more votes comment

was made while Conyers was mingling around with different small groups. Of course the writer was at the event. But, was she involved in the conversation where Conyers said anything about 3 votes? Obviously, not everybody was.

[creeksneakers2]

34. And while I'm at it

Is there a video anywhere of Conyers' speech? How do you know he stuttered?

[KittyWampus]

37. he does have a very deliberative, measured way of speaking. As if he's choosing he words

with infinite care.

I wouldn't call it a stutter. At all.

[TheOtherMaven]

167. I Only Read the Transcript

And it read rather poorly, with repeated words, missed words, and general off-the-cuff sloppiness.

Maybe some day it'll dawn on our would-be representatives that as long as they are out in public, there is no longer any such thing as being "off the record". So they have to be A LOT more careful what they say, and what they promise - or it will come back to bite them. HARD.

I guess he talks a good game. But talk is so cheap - I'm watching what he DOES, now.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. I was on his team until he did that

It was dishonest and disingenuous.

I have suspected for some time now that he has a card to play but is waiting for just the right moment. But to be be dishonest in the process and LOSE the support of the people working hardest to HELP HIM go after bushco is just nuts. So perhaps I was just being hopeful. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

53. I agree. Hard to see how someone like Mr. Conyers wouldn't

realize the effect those statements have. :(

[Canuckistanian]

75. You make a good point

kpete's thread from last week sure made it look like Conyers was gung-ho for impeachment.

He certainly never tried to dissuade the crowd from shouting "Impeach".

[nadinbrzezinski]

126. Welcome to DU

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. When One Surrounds Themselves With Ignorant And Irrational Extremists Don't Expect Rational Behavior

A lot of the people she's taking advice from are out of their minds. The problem is, she's become so wrapped up in their influence and trust in them that she now can't even recognize that they are detrimental to her cause and are bringing her down to their level of stupidity.

[Alexander]

14. I wouldn't be surprised if some of her supporters here were infiltrators.

They certainly don't have any kind or accurate words for the Democratic Party.

[Madspirit]

101. Right, if someone disagrees with you they must be an infiltrator...NOT...n/t

[FreepFryer]

15. That was my quote and of course I agree wholeheartedly. Great post.

Check my journal for the facts.

[KittyWampus]

27. editted OP to include your handle.

[FreepFryer]

45. No need, I'm happy to be your "fellow DU'er". Thanks, though! :)

[xultar]

16. Seems to me Cindy would be like...no people. We've done it once let's

let the guy get the contempt charges through first.

Something ain't right people.

I can't wait till y'all find out.

[ellacott]

19. I think she 's taking bad advice also

I do understand that frustrastion and I want him impeached also. By camping out in his office and telling him that he's out of time is the wrong way to do it.

[redqueen]

20. "Who is giving Sheehan advice?"

It does make one wonder...

[Virginia Dare]

23. I have been informed..

by some of her most vocal so-called supporters here that she takes no advice from any quarter, she is her own counsel. As if I'm stupid and naive enough to believe that. It makes me that much more suspicious.

[redqueen]

28. "so-called supporters"

Well put.

I wonder when she decided that pointless attacks on the very same people who can help her cause were an effective tactic.

[shimmergal]

48. -*Bush tries to convey

the same impression. "Takes no advice from any quarter.." and see where it's led him!

[Vilis Veritas]

59. Austin Texas Radio host...

You can't even post the guys name here. Perry Logan attacks him often. I have heard her speak to the guy on radio and it is disconcerting to say the least.

Peace

[Virginia Dare]

82. I've been reading some interesting things of late..

I will put no credence in them as of yet because they come from right wing quarters, but if they're true, it definitely explains a lot of things.

[madfloridian]

61. Look at the ones who were at the protest with her.

Compare them to those who post here and at other sites with Democrat in their name.

[EFerrari]

69. Yeah, like that big Freep RAY MCGOVERN.

LOL

[madfloridian]

140. A question was asked I answered without naming names.

:shrug:

[creeksneakers2]

164. Odd thing I noticed

Ray McGovern writes that Conyers promised to be at an impeachment town meeting in Detroit and didn't show up. Swanson writes that Conyers showed up, failed to promise anything, and left early. Who are you going to believe?

[Virginia Dare]

21. Favorite authoritarian technique: divide and conquer...n/t

[Gregorian]

29. Cindy, come to DU and talk with us.

She should join up with the Democrats. And she should seek our advice on how to approach this situation.

I respect her. She may be taking some paths that we wouldn't.

[Hissyspit]

31. She's still in D.C.? Link please.

I thought she was supposed to be in Allentown today.

[Hissyspit]

51. Anybody? n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. She is on the road, Hissy

[Hissyspit]

68. Thanks. Seems to me...

the subject line is misleading.

[proud2BlibKansan]

72. To the best of my knowledge it is inaccurate

There may be people there protesting today. But last I heard, Cindy was to be elsewhere today.

[Breeze54]

111. Code Pink is there and said they would be there for the Gonzo hearings

and for today's hearing. ;)

http://codepinkdc.blogspot.com/2007/07/we-dont-trust-you-gonzales-at-judiciary.html

[Hissyspit]

132. Code Pink is not Sheehan.

Subject line says Sheehan.

Cindy may be somewhere protesting Conyers, but I haven't seen anything confirming that.

[Breeze54]

148. ah..DOH!

That was the point of my reply. ;)

[Hissyspit]

149. Oop.

Yes, that did go over my head. :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

133. But but Code Pink said they would be here in my city tomorrow!

They better hit the road soon. :rofl:

[Breeze54]

109. And that is a crying shame!!!

:rofl:

[Hissyspit]

131. We usually leave the false headlines and inaccuracies to that other website.

[davidwparker]

32. Has he called for contempt or have they been found in contempt with

charges pressed or arrests made.

Dems talk a lot lately.

As for dividing the left, I think Pelosi not being on the impeachment table is doing that.

[ananda]

35. Everybody, get a grip! A protest is not an attack!

Demonstrating, lobbying, and protesting are part of the process.
It's a matter of freedom.

Go Cindy!

Go Conyers! Hold those in contempt of Congress accountable.

Impeach Bush and Cheney now!

Sue

[saracat]

38. Have you even read what they said about Conyers/ What Medea said? what the

Ray McGovern said? How can it NOT be called an "attack" ?

[Virginia Dare]

91. That's just it..

it's gone beyond protest, it is attack and smear now. Not smart. Not productive.

[creeksneakers2]

165. Google David Swanson and Conyers

Sheehan followers are attacking Conyers all over the net, often with falsehoods. Now the Sheehan followers are telling people Conyers promised impeachment then reneged, which isn't true. There is a definite effort to create a backlash against Conyers.

[The Stranger]

36. Amazing that they ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THROUGH with contempt.

This is the VERY LEAST that they should be doing.

The crimes going on are non-stop -- that this man should act should not be amazing, it should be EXPECTED.

[KittyWampus]

39. Anyone familiar with Conyers KNEW he'd follow through.You must not be up to date

on your information regarding our elected Democratic leaders.

[The Stranger]

80. Tell me again what he said about impeachment.

[Marrah_G]

46. Thank you for your concern

:eyes:

[saracat]

54. Delete

[Marrah_G]

57. okay you lost me on that one.

:shrug:

[saracat]

62. Good.

[saracat]

81. Sorry.I confused you with another poster! I apologize!

[Marrah_G]

86. hehhehe

I was beginning to think I was losing my mind :)

[saracat]

87. I "know" I am losing mine! LOL!

:evilgrin:

[terisan]

40. Whyd did McGovern join her in protest and arrest? nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. And Ann Wright and Rev Yearwood

[EFerrari]

71. Freeps, all of them. Definitely on Rove's payroll.

How do I get one of those checks?

lol

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. One of the more bizarre of many false charges

sigh

[EFerrari]

88. I don't know which is worse -- the pain of an idealizatiion being

exploded or the unreality that frantic denial demands. :(

[Marrah_G]

95. If you were here I would offer you one of these

:donut:

I'm sorry you are hurting

[demobabe]

154. It only takes one infiltrator, you know...

...and then there they go off the cliff just like lemmings.

Sure you can vouch for some of the people at the event, but can you vouch for all of them?

Didn't think so.

This, as with anything: look to see where the benefit is.

Will they accomplish stated goal of getting Conyers to impeach?

No. What is the obvious outcome? That protesters will be arrested for blocking the door to Conyers office.

Who benefits? Republicans, Greens, Libertarians.

If Conyers did what they wanted and got the ball rolling on impeachment, what would happen? They wouldn't have enough votes and Democrats would be touted as weak, indecisive, and ineffective when they failed.

Who benefits? Republicans, Greens, Libertarians.



Either case, Democrats lose.

Funny that, huh?

[EFerrari]

159. If it only takes one infiltrator to wreak such havoc, you guys

have some work to do.

[mmonk]

42. Maybe there should be a posting on proper days so everyone will know.

[LittleClarkie]

44. Tunnel vision

if he's not doing what she wants, he's doing nothing.

And then to say that he's turned his back on the American people and aim pictures of MLK and Rosa Parks at him was the height of arrogance.

[Breeze54]

49. Link please.

Thanks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. Don't hold your breath

[KittyWampus]

98. what do you want a link to LBN of DU? The current events cited in OP are all right there

[Breeze54]

106. I don't see any topic in LBN about Ms. Sheehan.

Looked but not there.

By you assuming that everyone has read all of LBN today, cryingshame,
and failing to provide a link in this OP is rather dumb, imho.

[smiley_glad_hands]

64. Cindy Sheehan is a tool of the right. eom

[terisan]

70. Consider Ray McGovern's Description 0f Conyers Saying One Thing/Doing another

McGovern is the ex-CIA guy who stood up to Rumsfeld in Atlanta on the war.

Conyers, on the other hand, was dripping with pretence as he met with Sheehan, Rev. Lennox Yearwood and me Monday in his office in the Rayburn building. I have seldom been so disappointed with someone I had previously held in high esteem. And before leaving, I told him so.

Throwing salt in our wounds, he had us, and some 50 others in his anteroom arrested and taken out of action as the Capitol Police “processed” us for the next six hours.

As we began our discussion with Conyers, it was as though he thought we were “born yesterday,” as Harry Truman would put it. With feigned enthusiasm he began, Let’s hold a Town Hall meeting in Detroit so we can talk about impeachment. Get out my schedule; let’s see, we need to hear from everyone about this.

Been there, done that, I reminded the congressman.

On May 29, 2007, Col. Ann Wright and I were among those who flew to Detroit for a highly advertised Town Hall meeting on impeachment, because we were assured that John Conyers would be there.

That Town Hall/panel discussion was arranged by the Michigan chapter of the National Lawyers Guild less than two weeks after the Detroit City Council passed a resolution, cosponsored by Conyers’ wife Monica Conyers—calling for the impeachment of Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. We had hoped that Monica’s clear vision and courage might be contagious.

I had to remind the congressman that he did not show up for the Town Hall.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/072407a.html

[EFerrari]

73. I'm hating this.

:(

[Marrah_G]

84. Sorry sf

I know these people are your friends and I know you probably feel really torn.

I agree the whole thing sucks...

[EFerrari]

97. Thanks, Marrah. I remember how we kept a coalition together

for years to elect John Kerry. :(

[Marrah_G]

107. I miss the Kerry blog and chat room

I came here after spending a week alternating between drinking and crying after his concession speech.

I appreciate your constant effort to keep the peace without backing down from your view (even if I disagree).

You have class and grace.

[Marrah_G]

77. Thank you for your "concern"

Another thinly veiled attack on a very good man. Disgusting.

:puke:

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. A deceitful man lately

I used to like him too. But this is one of many things he has done where he does not keep his word. I too admire his work and efforts in the past. But he is not only ignoring the people who have helped him in gathering info for his investigations, he is now being dishonest.

[terisan]

174. I met Ray McGovern the night he stood up to Rumsfeld in Atlanta. He is retired CIA

and has been out in front in protesting the Iraq invasion and occupation for a long time now. I think it is worth paying attention to what he says and investigating.

The Bush people, including Karl Rove, are a wiley bunch and their may be some reasons why Conyers is backing off on impeachment.

[proud2BlibKansan]

78. One of the many deceitful things Conyers has done.

I wish I understood wtf his motoves are.

[saracat]

89. and many of us wonder about Ray ,Cindy and Medea!

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. I have no reason to mistrust any of them

or Ann Wright. None of them have ever lied to me.

[KittyWampus]

102. And Conyers NEVER lied to you. All you've got is some throw away statement he supposedly made

that you and few others decided to interpret as meaning he is "gung-ho" for impeachment.

Face it, you've spun a fantasy out of something that didn't happen as you and other want to imagine did.

You put too much weight on something you may not even have heard properly or in proper context.

And now you are attacking Conyers because when in comes to impeachment YOU live in a fantasy world made up of what you wish he meant?

The world doesn't revolve around your desire for impeachment.

Conyers' work doesn't revolve around it either.

So just because you see everything in impeachment colored glasses isn't his fault.

[proud2BlibKansan]

112. Yes he lied

Sorry you are too blinded by party colored glasses to see that.

[saracat]

116. I am blinded by "history" colored glasses. And history indicates Conyers is more credible

than those three!

[proud2BlibKansan]

135. He is lucky to have you in his corner

[saracat]

138. And Cindy is lucky to have you! proud2Blib.Perhaps you can bring her some sanity!

[proud2BlibKansan]

139. I think she is far more sane than many other people I know

Just my humble opinion. LOL

[saracat]

108. I have got to wonder about those that smear Conyers on the very day

he is bringing contempt charges!

[Marrah_G]

118. It always amuses me to watch people argue with themselves

(because their opponent is "ignored")

[Madspirit]

105. This should be an OP....its own thread because people need to read it...

Thank-you from a proud Cindy supporter.
Lee

[creeksneakers2]

169. DavidSwanson.org

http://www.davidswanson.org/?q=node/830

"For about a year now there have been two Congressmen Conyers, the defender of our Constitution and the follower of Nancy Pelosi in her ban on impeachment. Citizens in Detroit organized a town hall forum on impeachment and invited the Congressman. Both John Conyerses came on Tuesday, and they both left partway through the event. But, judging by the Associated Press story, Conyers the impeachment advocate was winning the internal battle."

McGovern and Swanson disagree over whether Conyers was at the town hall meeting. Other reports says Conyers was there but left early. Perhaps McGovern got there late and missed Conyers. It all goes to show how clumsy the Sheehan followers so many are relying are with facts.

[Lasher]

92. I have decided to try to go one whole day without getting into a fight here

Peace, brothers and sisters. It's still a good idea. :hippie:

[Marrah_G]

96. Good Luck!!

You are a masochist!

[Lasher]

103. Heh heh. This ain't easy for me but I'm gonna try real hard.

You are a wonderful person. Ooommmmmmm.:silly:

[saracat]

113. More power to Ya! it seems beyond me!

:toast:

[Lasher]

129. I'm gonna cheat. Gonna work outside all day.

Well maybe I'll check back in later after I have a few beers.

The mind is willing but the flesh is weak. :crazy:

[JVS]

110. she doesn't want contempt charges, she wants impeachment.

And so do a lot of Americans

[saracat]

114. TooF****ing bad.One step at a time! And there is NO evidence "Most" Americans want impeachment.

They want to end the war.The two aren't the same!

[JVS]

117. No. too fucking bad for the politicians who don't give people what they want.

If cindy wants to raise hell because she's not getting the government action she wants, good for her and too fucking bad for the crybabies who can't handle the heat.

[mondo joe]

119. Now you're the voice of The People?

Wow.

[JVS]

123. Yes. That's exactly it. Bow before my glory!

[mondo joe]

127. One of the many nice things about Sheehan running is that she'll lose

gloriously and will have no claim to have the support of the people.

[Marrah_G]

120. Good thing it's not all about Cindy then!

I know you WISH it was all about your heroine, but really it isn't. In the reality based world outside the blogosphere the majority are not wanting congress tied up with impeachment and nor does the majority of Americans share your belief that Cindy is the Messiah. Instead those who even know her name (in my experience)generally think she is a bit of a nut. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the world does not revolve around Cindy, her handlers, or her groupies.

[saracat]

122. Uh,oh! A "reality based post".Those cause flame wars!

[JVS]

125. It is about the right of a citizen to seek what he or she wants.

[pschoeb]

161. There is much evidence Most Americans want impeachment

It's not surprising that anti-impeachment folk don't know this, or act like they don't

American Research Group poll from July 5, 2007

45% want impeachment proceedings against Bush in House, only 46% oppose

54% want impeachment proceedings against Cheney, and only 40% oppose


Out of that 69% of Democrats want to impeach Bush with 9% undecided, and 76% of Democrats want to impeach Cheney with no undecideds

50% of Independents want to impeach Bush, with 20% undecided, and 51% want to impeach Cheney with 20% undecided

With Independents at 50% and with a huge additional 20% undecided(so hardly anyone is strongly against) who would probably flip to approve as soon as hearings start and even more crap comes out.

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

121. Conyers called contempt of congress charges same day as protests.

Seems to me the protest was scheduled in advance of Conyers' committee vote.

[KittyWampus]

134. Seems to me Conyers was working towards Contempt on a steady course all along.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

136. And Sheehan's been working against the war on a steady course.

But Sheehan's protest was scheduled and announced publically before Conyers decided to have the committee vote that day.

[EFerrari]

142. You're ruining a perfectly good conspiracy theory.

Spoilsport!

[FreepFryer]

144. They should be using DU to further impeachment, rather than character assassination of Conyers.

Calling him a 'traitor' and a 'liar' is beyond the pale.

It is every citizen's duty to question authority, yes - but hamstringing our elected Democratic representatives is unacceptable. It's utterly, completely and wholeheartedly anti-Democratic Party to attack the ranking Democratic Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, while they pursue their investigation into the Bush family crimes.

If Sheehan and her followers here on DU honestly can't resist attacks on Democrats despite the ongoing egregious conduct of the Bush administration, and prefer to call our representatives 'liars', 'betrayers' and 'traitors' without even citing them verbatim, they should indeed go form their independent party's website.

Either way, DU is NOT provided to us for making baseless character attacks on our Democratic heroes in Congress. Take it elsewhere because DU is for Democrats and discussion of furthering Democratic goals.

[Lilith Velkor]

146. 14 recs for this thread vs. 200+ for the latest vacuous Cindygasm

DU needs an enema, and will probably get one soon.

[FreepFryer]

147. Amen. (n/t)

[Cameron27]

150. "vacuous Cindygasm" !

:rofl:

I just added another rec... forgot the first time around.

[BlooInBloo]

156. That gets my rec!

[Hissyspit]

151. The fact that the subject line is not accurate might have something to do with that.

Cindy is in Philadelphia yesterday and today and in Allentown today, I believe, and I've seen no indication that she has said anything about Conyers today - the day he passed on the contempt charges to the full House.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2929548

[creeksneakers2]

170. I didn't get Cindy's day 16 E-mail yet

We'll see.

[bluedog]

171. check buzzflash

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/1191


now who called her a racest????????

[Yukari Yakumo]

178. I have no idea...

If it were here, it would've caused another pissing contest of epic proportions. Or at the very least someone here would've have known about it.

She's essentially outlawed at the Kos. So it probably didn't come from there.

Nothing relevant comes up on Google if you use "Sheehan racist" as the search terms.

So honestly, I have no idea where that accusation came form.

:shrug:

Of course, there is the possibility that she's making the shit up, which wouldn't surprise me either. Now that I think of it, she was quick to point her finger at DU during the whole "attention whore" debacle. This time, she's pointing her finger at... no one. Hmmm...

[EFerrari]

155. I couldn't agree more. n/t

[LostInAnomie]

160. That really sends a sad message doesn't it.

Thank god so many of them seem to want to "take a break from DU".

[EFerrari]

162. Actually, it's a testament to the smarts of DUers that didn't fall for

a blatantly false subject line on this thread.

That so many fell for it, well, that IS sad.

[creeksneakers2]

172. See Buzzflash link above

DAY 16 Wisdom from Cindy (same day as Conyers conducts contempt vote)

"Rep. John Conyers was not targeted for the color of his skin, but for his betrayal of the American public and the Constitution. No matter what color they are, the Bush Crime mob needs to go to prison and no matter what color he is, John Conyers needs to do his job. "

Who were the smart ones?

[EFerrari]

177. Take it to someone who will fall for it. n/t

[Gman]

176. She's starting to remind me of Bev Harris

[EFerrari]

180. Because she's stealinig your money, attacking other activists

and taking credit for other people's work? :shrug:

[farmboxer]

179. I like Conyers

He had done a lot for freedom. It's time Republicans are criticized.

I don't see how supporting Republicans can help America. I have had enough of Republicans in office. I am a Democrat, not totally happy with everything they do 100%, but they are, by far, the better party, compare the platforms of each.