*** House Judiciary Contempt Hearing Thread 4 ***

[MiniMe]

cspan3 http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

Thread #3 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1431023&mesg_id=1431023

[MiniMe]

1. aaaauuuugghhh, the Clenis again

[tridim]

13. Clinton is a god to these Repukes

I bet they'll still be invoking his name 100 years from now.

[mod mom]

2. I am so sick of hearing about Clinton!

[mod mom]

4. He's afraid of the President being surrounded by a bunch of yes men!

:rofl:

[spanone]

3. clinton clinton clinton clinton clinton clinton.....boy, the thugs love Bill.

[ljm2002]

5. PLEASE someone answer the stupid Clinton talking points

please please please

[lynnertic]

6. as usual, Clinton did it better

:eyes:

[babylonsister]

7. These flipping thugs, it's their gov't that's embracing fascism, too.

But no, they're not concerned.

[DS1]

8. it took 1 second of viewing to figure out the puke on the screen

was infact a puke

not to mention that horrible slow-talking they all do

[helderheid]

9. Clinton DIDN'T ignore subpoenas!

[spanone]

10. then sir, why won't those bastards come and take the oath with transcriptions etc.

[NewJeffCT]

11. Use a Republican's favorite argument

If they're not guilty and have nothing to hide, what do they have to fear about going under oath?

[slowry]

12. Why is it proper for members of any of these committees

to testify on behalf of the people under scrutiny? I really don't get it.

[Drum]

24. Because they are The Borg.

One mind, one motive. :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. When will the Dems throw NIXON and REAGAN in the repuke faces????!!! FUCK THOSE FUCKERS!

[jojo54]

23. When they grow balls??

Just asking.

[bdamomma]

26. exactly, we are not as dirty and evil as repukes are.

now is the time to take off the gloves and bang these guys to the ropes. ENOUGH.. we are fighting for democracy here, or if there is anything left of it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. Excellent point! The gloves have to come off! eom

[Lasher]

37. That would be fun but we don't need to help these jackasses change the subject.

[helderheid]

15. Partisan? No. Constitutional? Absolutely. NeoCons HATE the Constitution.

[LSK]

16. Repukes appear to be filibustering now

Numerous calls to speak now

[Jack Rabbit]

17. An actual picture of Clinton's penis

Please click here and look to the upper right.

[LSK]

20. brilliant!

:thumbsup:

[NewJeffCT]

31. you mean to tell me?

that Bill Clinton is not the root of all evil?

[Jack Rabbit]

55. Not exactly

I mean to tell any Republican who invokes his name today that even if Clinton really is the root of all evil, it has nothing to do whether Mr. Bolten and Ms. Miers should be cited for contempt.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

35. That was Great and So True!!!!! Laughing here!!!! eom

[LSK]

51. make it a thread of its own

[blogslut]

18. Heehee

The Chair is getting a little pissed

[global1]

19. Do You Get The Feeling That The Dems Are Being Set-Up For This.....

constitutional crisis? This guy that is talking now is laying out the reason that this case could fail if it goes to the courts. Essentially - Fielding said that the committee can talk to these people - not under oath, no transcripts, no ability to get them back for additional questioning - they can say that the committee had the opportunity and didn't take it - so they can throw the case out.

[blogslut]

25. No

I think the repubs are tap-dancing as fast as they can

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Then Conyers moves on to INHERENT CONTEMPT. No courts needed.

:)

[AndyA]

33. On something of this nature, witnesses would normally be under oath

with a transcript of their testimony, which was not part of that deal.

So, I don't think that argument will work, but I'm sure they will try it.

[Norquist Nemesis]

42. IF they are truly independent courts (which I have to question)

they could also say that Congress cannot give away its Constitutional authority of oversight; Congress is protecting its oversight ability by rejecting an "agreement" that does not include an oath, transcripts, and no further opportunity to re-question the so-called witnesses and side with Congress. :shrug:

[NewJeffCT]

44. No - they're setting that up for the RW courts

to take that avenue. Then, when Roberts-Alito-Scalia-Thomas and Kennedy vote to side with Team Bush, it will seem like par for the course.

[TahitiNut]

80. What they 'propose' contradicts the assertion of EP.

They SAY they're willing to talk - in other words, they're NOT asserting Executive Privilege over the subject matter. Then they say they're not willing to be under oath or recorded on teh record - in other words the're claimng the 'privilege' to LIE.

It perplexes me that any semi-rational mind would not see the inherent contradiction in their own stance.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. DELAHUNT up! He's awesome!

[Hepburn]

32. Great job on his part!

:applause:

He is talking that it is time that Congress assert itself! Yes!!!!

[Gregorian]

36. Sanity. Common sense. Phew. Thank you.

Inherent contempt countdown. Ten, nine, eight...

[Breeze54]

39. He's a very smart guy!

;)

[bobthedrummer]

22. "It Can't Happen Here. It Can't Happen Here."

[marmar]

27. The tension on that committee is palpable....

It makes the Senate Judiciary committee seem like a peace commune....

[Gregorian]

29. The children are driving the school bus!

Sorry. I'm ranting.

Please continue...

:)

[Mojorabbit]

34. I just called Keller's office

and raised some hell.

[Gregorian]

45. La la la la la. Can't hear you.

Very good. It's good for at least one laugh. Even if it is dreadfully serious.

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. BRAVO!!!

:applause:

(Can we have the transcript, please? *wink* )

[spanone]

38. the entire republican house is complicit in obstruction of justice. IMHO

[mod mom]

40. Delahunt: It has become dangerous for this democracy.

[L. Coyote]

41. Rep. Ric Keller citing the coyote issue is a ruse now like it was then.

We know for fact that there was a concerted effort to denigrate Carol Lam well before the investigation of Cunningham as "in the press" and Cunningham even signed the letter "while under investigation" plus there was the intentional release of false information to smear Lam.

[bdamomma]

43. why so many repukes on this committee, or twhy hey are getting

alot of time.

[Whoa_Nelly]

Here's the breakdown on the committee membership

http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

[tridim]

I think Conyers is just letting them blow their collective wad

That's fine, because they're establishing the fact that their party is more important than the Constitution. Go ahead, hang yourselves repukes.

[Wilber_Stool]

46. I decuded to tak a soot ub rum

evry time Clintons num was mention. boy aren i in troubbbbbbl.

[AndyA]

47. Lungren, one of the MOST OFFENSIVE and SORRY EXCUSES for

a human being that has ever existed.

:puke:

Talking about pictures that are crooked. How relevant.

[spanone]

53. this shit is gonna give us a history lesson STFU

[Hepburn]

62. I hear ya........

.....Lungren makes a maggot-covered pile of shit look good.

:puke:

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. HEY!!! What happened to "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!"

"The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!" "The rule of law!"

That was SO important during Clinton's term!:grr:

[blogslut]

50. Lungren

"Those dirty bastard Dems, they made that painting tilt funny! HOW DARE THEY?"

Oh and Lungren, Why don't you mention NIXON?

[bdamomma]

52. now they are going back to Washington

[Hepburn]

54. LMBO....great remark, Conyers!

I am a Californian. Dan Lungren is an embarassment and a mega asshole!

[helderheid]

56. This is NOT ABOUT EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. This is about IGNORING SUBPOENAS!

[spanone]

61. i'm sure the thugs would have let clinton dismiss taking the oath with NO transcriptions

bullshit

[Whoa_Nelly]

64. Agreed! Yet, "Obfuscation and Diversion!" is their motto n/t

[Hepburn]

70. Exactly............

.......how hard is that to understand????

Betting that if a Dem was subpoenaed to appear and blew off the subpoena like Meiers and Bolton did, the Repukes on that committee would be singing a dif tune.

[ljm2002]

57. These condescending Republics...

...and their faux history lessons are really grating on my last nerve.

However I'll give them this: they stick together, and when they decide to fight, they dig in their heels and fight.

Let's take a page from their book -- and show them how it's done.

[Norquist Nemesis]

58. And once again, GHWB apparently has been removed from the history

books in the list of U.S. Presidents.

[blogslut]

59. Lungren

Your memory is short. Nixon did contest subpoenas. It went to the SCOTUS - Were you high that year?

[Blackhatjack]

60. A refusal to appear while under Congressional subpoena is undeniably 'contempt of Congress'

There is no legal ground for Republicans to stand on here.

To vote against a finding of contempt is to subvert the Constitutionally mandated duty of the Legislative Branch to conduct oversight, and empowers the Executive Branch to place itself above any kind of check and balance by the Legislative and Judicial Branches.

There is plenty of video of Republicans arguing for just such a result that will make a wonderful highlight film during campaign season.

[marmar]

63. Man, the Brownshirts weren't this loyal to the Fuhrer....

Republicans have some serious Daddy issues.

[babylonsister]

69. Agreed; this is scary.So much denial, so little time. nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

65. Someone interrupt this twit!

:banghead:

[Lasher]

66. I've gotta go on mute. I keep getting a strong urge to punch my PC monitor in the face.

[spanone]

67. Ain't it GREAT to be the MAJORITY??? Blow you rethug GASBAGS.

[ljm2002]

68. WHY are the Republics allowed to interrupt...

...and when a Democrat tries to get some time yielded, they are totally ignored???

And to hear these slimy bastards whine about fairness makes me want to grab a pitchfork...

[LSK]

71. Lundgren throws out more red herrings

This is about the subpeonas!

[L. Coyote]

86. What stupid, flawed logic they spew.

They keep using the red herring of Lam's statement that she had know knowledge of .... Absence of knowledge is not evidence. Get a law degree already!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

98. There's a pool of blood at the door to the WH...but hey! No evidence

that a crime was committed. Nope! None at all!

Cannon: Did anyone see a crime committed? No. We have testimony that there was no crime!
Keller: As a doctor, it's clear to me that no one was harmed and no one died.
Smith: No one died. Not like Vince (whatshisname) when Clinton was President.
Lundren: Clinton KILLED someone when he was President. Did we charge him with it? No. This is purely partisan witchhunting!!!

[LSK]

72. vote time

[Blackhatjack]

73. Repub logic... you do not know that the witness knows anything, so it is ok for her not to show up..

According to Repubs you cannot force witnesses to provide information under subpoena if you don't already know what they would testify to in advance.

[Mist]

91. "If you don't KNOW the witness knows something, YOU CAN'T ASK." nt

[babylonsister]

74. Who is snorting? nt

[CottonBear]

84. I don't know but it sounds disgusting. Probably a Republic. n/t

[L. Coyote]

75. Lungren is in the Nixon, Cheney group, supports Iraq war

Lungren represents the third congressional district, a territory stretching from the Sacramento County communities of Carmichael, Citrus Heights and Arden Arcade into the Sierra foothills of Amador and Calaveras counties. Formerly a congressman from Long Beach before serving as state attorney general, in 1998 he lost his bid for the governor’s seat to Gray Davis.

From the many photos on the walls in the lobby of Lungren’s office, one sees a half-century of Republican politics: his father was Richard Nixon’s physician, and there is a picture of a young Dan Lungren with then Vice President Nixon. Perhaps the defining image is that of Lungren first being sworn in as a congressman in 1978 along with fellow Republican freshmen Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich. As a member of Gingrich’s Conservative Opportunity Society, he helped generate support for the Republican wave that ultimately seized control of Congress in 1994 and lost it this past November. But he doesn’t ascribe that loss to the Iraq war so much as to the conduct of the war as a symptom of a broader problem.

http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/Content?oid=300627

[spanone]

76. what's this vote for????? blinked

[Lasher]

It's on the Loose Cannon ammendment

23 members nay, 14 members aye.

[jtrockville]

I'm having trouble following....

I thought this was supposed to be about Miers and Bolten. I haven't heard either one of there names except for the first few minutes of the hearing (we're 1.5 hours into it now).

?????

[marmar]

77. Maxine!!!!

She looks very pensive and pissed!

[blogslut]

78. Repubs amendment vote

happening now

[aquart]

81. Where is Nadler????

[rodeodance]

90. The amendment 23 nay and 14 aye--------amendment FAILED

[blogslut]

100. The amendment fails

And now another amendment Forbes (R) more tap dancing

[ljm2002]

79. Be very careful here...

...the Republics are doing their best to make the case that will be used before the courts.

And we know who is on the courts -- they've been packed from top to bottom.

It's a sad day. The Republics who talk about "we might lose more of our power", while they do everything they can to hasten that result.

[Gregorian]

83. It's time to go directly to impeachment.

This is sick.

[aquart]

85. That's why we are being procedurally correct in all things.

[aquart]

95. The Republicans really are filibustering with these crap amendments.

[mod mom]

92. ammendment fails! new ammendment

[marmar]

82. MR. GOMER?

How apropros!

[Gregorian]

87. Ah vote AYE. Oh brother.

[KoKo]

88. oops...just got back in thought Wexler & Nadler...voted with Repug...Mustake.

[tridim]

93. They voted No on the repuke ammendment. nt

[desi]

99. They both voted Nay...n/t

Against the Loose Cannon amendment.

[blogslut]

112. don't think they did

:)

[helderheid]

89. Another amendment!

[rodeodance]

101. Virginia Repug amendment

[Lasher]

103. This one's by Forbes (R of course)

[xultar]

94. Stick it to the fuckers 23/14

[Gregorian]

96. Anita Johnson. What a babe!!!

[tridim]

97. Code Pink in da house! n/t

[desi]

They are being removed..n/t

[spanone]

102. the thugs want to muck it up with amendments....bullshit

this guy should blow it out his ass.....you fuckers were in charge for SIX YEARS and you didn't touch ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS.stfu

[Blackhatjack]

104. So how many amendments will the Repubs put up to delay vote on the report? Pool anyone? n/t

[spotbird]

122. If there is no limit, the answer is infinite.

The dude now is sounding batty. He argues that the standing of the House is irrelevant to the American people.

Wow. I wonder if he believes they are really mutually exclusive?

[Gregorian]

105. Forbes- Stop this hearing, there's pot smokers to bust!

[mod mom]

110. Gang violence? What about the BFEE?

[spotbird]

106. Is the House version of a filibuster underway?

It sure sounds like it. They’re just going to load this thing down with amendments, and waste time. Is there a limit to the number of times they can do this?

[Lasher]

111. That's exactly right.

[KoKo]

117. I wondered the same. Thought this was a Committee Vote and not Debatable but Up or Down..

[LSK]

119. yes

[desi]

128. There is a limit on amendements.

each side has the option of submitting 2 I believe.

[spotbird]

138. Haven't the Republican's already offered three? nt

nt

[marmar]

107. Criiime, Terra, Eel-leegals.....Violent Criiime....Al Kayda

They're so tragically predictable.....

[rodeodance]

108. well, I RULE that this Repug Amendment is NOT Germaine!!= geech, what a prick!

[LSK]

109. more red herrings

:grr:

[rodeodance]

121. and purple, and orange, and violet. and and

[L. Coyote]

113. More stonewalling here by offering amendments to the matter at hand.

This is just a ruse and a way to grandstand and make speeches that detract from the issue of the committee hearing.

[Wednesdays]

114. How exactly is this speech relevant?

:shrug:

[bobthedrummer]

115. unelected-installed

[LSK]

116. please refresh me, which party started impeachment over a blow job???

:shrug:

[sinkingfeeling]

118. This guy's breaking my heart! Defense lawyers are questioning if they can

trust the US prosecutors. And all those other crimes he's so concerned about.... what did you freaks ever accomplish in the years you held the committees?

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

OH MY GOD - is there no low low enough for them?

It's the INVESTIGATION that's causing people not to trust the Justice Department - NOT the wrongdoing? It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

[Blackhatjack]

136. In all honesty, there are valid reasons for the Defense Lawyers to question decisions...

Just look at Gonzo's testimony yesterday where he could not recall spending more than 5-10 min to consider signing off on a death penalty case.

Defense lawyers have every right to question what is going on, and if there is nothing wrong let the government prove it. After all the government carries the burden of proof in every criminal case anyway.

[ljm2002]

120. Randy Forbes...

...is an excellent grandstander.

We really need to squash the GOP. I am totally serious. Squash them into the ground. They have done more damage to our nation than I ever thought possible.

"Destroying the executive branch"

Er, shouldn't he be more concerned about destroying the legislative branch? Oops, no, he's all for that.

[rodeodance]

132. what continues to astound me is how self-rightous they come across all the time!

[bobthedrummer]

123. Impeach Cheney first

[Blackhatjack]

124. Repubs will likely move to amend by adding the D.C. telephone book to the report and having it read

before there is a vote on the amendment.

It would be just as relevant as what is going on now.

[AndyA]

125. GOP Mantra:

Deny, Delay, Delay, Delay, Delay...

Stop the stupid amendments, Pukes.

[Hissyspit]

126. Damn, these Republicans sure are partisan in their complaints about partisanship!

[Lasher]

127. Schoolchildren will be killed by gang members if we cite Bush cronies for contempt!

And hooked on drugs! Oh noooooooo!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

129. Does Conyers HAVE TO LET THESE ASSHOLES HAVE THEIR STUPID, IDIOTIC amendments???

Is this really necessary???

[rodeodance]

139. he never wants it said that he was unfair to the thugs

[Enrique]

130. the children!

[Mist]

131. Can some Dem PLEASE make the argument that there's little point

pursuing all the domestic crime Rethugs are so concerned with when we have a COMPROMISED DEPT. OF JUSTICE?

[MiniMe]

133. THREAD 5 UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431752

[spanone]

134. Great Point mr. sherman.....

[flyarm]

135. i just called randy forbes office..wow i am on a roll!! and i said yes we the people are concerned

about our laws and our constitution being crapped on by this administration!

i told his person he is a scum bag if he thinks we the people do not care about our laws being destroyed by this administration or anyother administration!

fly

[A wise Man]

137. Let me get this straight

If a rethug refuses to comply to a supponea before a Democratic congress, it's ok and they have the right to do so. But if a Dem. refuses to comply to a supponea before a rethug congress, it isn't ok and they should be charged with contempt.

[L. Coyote]

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