*** House Judiciary Comtempt Hearing Thread #5 ***

[MiniMe]

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Thread #4 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1431378&mesg_id=1431378

How many amendments will the repukes try to add?

[rocktivity]

1. Don't forget to link this thread

from thread #4!

[MiniMe]

2. Just did. Thanks

Have to create the thread before I link it. :hi:

[helderheid]

3. KICKING ASS!!!

[mikelgb]

4. checking in

[eleny]

5. Bill Clinton should have insisted on informal, off the record discussions

It's what the Republicans insist is the right thing to do. :evilgrin:

[Lasher]

14. And not under oath. And you can't ever ask again.

[marmar]

Schiff....calling bullshit!

:headbang:

[WinkyDink]

MORE Democrats need to speak so bluntly and plainly. WTH is the matter with the Milquetoasts?

[Blackhatjack]

6. Reminds me of the Watergate hearings.... n/t

[redqueen]

7. Just want to say thank you who are watching / reporting.

For keeping the rest of us informed of what's going on.

:hi:

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Who is it that's bringing up 'how can you claim EP on things that they also claim never

took place?

[MiniMe]

9. Bringing up the conditions of Miers testifying

No transcript, not under oath, etc

[Gregorian]

10. Schiff! Executive priviledge for discussions they claim never happened!

He's on fire!

[Bluerthanblue]

16. yeah, "can't have it both ways"- he WAS good!

[AndyA]

22. I like him. That's a very important point.

It can't be both ways. Either conversations happened, and are Executive Privilege, or they did not happen, in which case there is no Executive Privilege.

These Republicans are really too much. What a bunch of crooks. All of them.

[Hepburn]

69. That really makes me wonder....

...why are they claiming Exec Priv over something they say never happened?

Ummmmm.....??? Huh????

[LSK]

11. how many amendments to go?

:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. OMG! Schiff pointed out that Fielding said the testimony of Miers, when NOT under oath, could NOT BE

FOLLOWED UP ON!!! :rofl::rofl: Notice none of the repukes included THAT little FACT in their tirades!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. I'm very sorry for Lamar Smith!

He's a horrible ass. I know, he used to be my rep and we NEVER got along.

[Old and In the Way]

15. Democrats are puncturing holes in every Republican talking point.

:toast:

[Lasher]

24. Yes they are.

It must feel great to Congressional Democrats to know they have the votes after 12 long years of ruthless suppression.

[WinkyDink]

17. Well, we won't KNOW, will we, LAMAR, if the WITNESSES DON'T APPEAR?!

[ljm2002]

18. The basic argument from the Republics is...

...Gee, we could be doing other stuff.

[WinkyDink]

25. And, gee, if we hold back NOW, we can then go after a FUTURE president (Hillary??).

[TahitiNut]

43. I think it's interesting that the SAME 'argument' is used on DU regarding impeachment.

I guess brain damage isn't one-sided. :shrug:

[hootinholler]

137. You're assuming those people are on our side. n/t

[bdamomma]

19. oh I hate these guys,

and they brought so many words into my vocabulary, such as hate, evil, corrupt, vile, division and so many more.

[Blackhatjack]

20. Those who will not defend the Congressional powers bestowed on them are traitors to their oath...

It is unbelievable that they would vote to give away the powers specifically granted Congress in the Constitution.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Their OATH:

- the entire House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate - must recite an oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

[marmar]

21. Going a little ways to court?

WTF does that mean?

[spanone]

23. blah blah blah blah more amendments and bullsht,,,,,,,

[rodeodance]

26. I do not think Conyers said the # of amendments. at least I did not hear.

[A wise Man]

27. The rethugs are totally out on another planet

[WinkyDink]

40. I swear, I sincerely DO NOT KNOW how they are able to construct the sentences they do. To me, it's

like they say, "Oh, THAT'S a verb! I'll use THAT!" (Say, "vote".) And then, "Oh, THAT'S a noun! I'll place that IN FRONT of the verb!" (Say, "Kumquats vote.")

Etc.

[Norquist Nemesis]

53. They practice alliteration games to stay fresh

"partisan political ...polluting the political process"

[NewJeffCT]

96. you laugh, but I bet it's been focus-group tested

to play well in a TV sound-bite.

[Norquist Nemesis]

114. No, actually I was serious

I read somewhere that the Cons actually used to have tapes they could play at their leisure on this (thanks to Newt). Once trained, it's second nature to them. All they need are the 10 daily talking points and they take it from there.

[bdamomma]

28. the repigs are whining, they do so well don't they.

[Lasher]

29. What's with these names?

They're so easy to make fun of it almost seems like cheating. Goober up now.

[spanone]

30. hey gomer, the amendment is DEAD .....move on and shut up

[spanone]

36. How many pardons will bu$h* hand out when HE leaves office

they keep talking up clinton....bullshit

[WinkyDink]

50. If "A" = "Indicted and/or convicted Bushies", and "B" = "Pardons", we've got "A" = "B".

[jojo54]

31. Gohmert..

"bad facts make bad law"?????? Take a look in the mirror before you repukes make a statement like that!!!

WTF????????

[marmar]

32. "Don't let the door hit you in the rear butt."

Gohmert, or Gomer?

[MrMickeysMom]

33. Had to go away.. is there progress beyond the R's ammendments and BS?

[blogslut]

47. Still debating the amendments

Maxine Waters up!

[Chichiri]

34. "Don't let the door hit you in the rear butt?"

and pointless political polluting of the process?

Did someone forget to medicate this guy?

[global1]

44. Tongue Twister - Say That Fast 3 Times ......nt

[Bluerthanblue]

35. gohmert isn't arguing the ammendment either-

what a blow hard

[Mojorabbit]

37. Are they

really afraid they will lose in court? The republicans I mean. Don't go for it unless we lose our power to precedent? So don't bother.

[slowry]

38. All alliterations are awful and annoying. n/t

[ROakes1019]

109. alliteration

The frequent use of alliteration is a sign of inherent poetic ability or of schizophrenia.

[rocktivity]

133. At least you seem to know

how alliteration works.

:headbang:
rcokantion

[blogslut]

39. How come these Repubs never bring up Nixon's fight against subpoeanas?

HUH?

[rodeodance]

41. Repugs have spent the hearing so fr Belittling this issue.

[rocktivity]

42. You want TRUTH? You want FACTS?

Miers and Bolton were subpoenaed by Congress, they DIDN'T show. THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. Please don't confuse their little partisan pea-brains with FACTS! They might explode! Too much info

for them!

[Jack Rabbit]

118. Their heads might explode?

And we won't have Cannon and Smith to kick around any more?

What would be wrong with that?

[rodeodance]

82. they are NOT interested in facts.

[bobthedrummer]

46. Impeach Cheney first.

[bdamomma]

48. yea, maxine waters!!!!

[MrMickeysMom]

49. Maxine.. do your thing...

[AndyA]

51. Maxine is going to tell them all about it.

Go Maxine! Smack the liars and obstructors down!

[Chichiri]

52. LOL Good one, Conyers!

"I think those words, 'partisan political polluting of the process' will be historically the most remembered words from this debate." LOL!!!

[Lasher]

57. Boy, did he ever fling that slogan back at them!

I just love Conyers' style! He is one of a kind.

[Jack Rabbit]

124. Sounds like someone channeled Spiro Agnew

!!

[WinkyDink]

54. It always takes a tough broad.....IMHO!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. I love her! She NEVER takes the crap they dish out.

:loveya:

[mod mom]

56. I LOVE MAXINE WATERS!!!!

[tandot]

62. What did she say?

I can't watch it from work. Thanks. :hi:

[bobthedrummer]

58. The truth

[L. Coyote]

59. Rep. Maxine Water: They asked for this lecture. Thank you Madam!

[PA Democrat]

60. What convoluted logic these Republicans put forth.

We should let Bush administration officials thumb their noses at the Congress when subpoenaed because otherwise we set a bad precedent. I am dizzy trying to follow their twisted rationale. Somehow, they are claiming that allowing Bush to withhold information will prevent future administrations from abuse of power. WTF?

[Chichiri]

63. Heh -- NY-8, Manhattan and Brooklyn, so you know . . .

. . . THIS guy ain't gonna bullshit anyone.

[blogslut]

64. Nadler naming all the crimes of Bushco

:)

[Webster Green]

65. These pukes are fine with the destruction of the Justice Department?

Unbelievable!

They are all fucking traitors to the republic, as far as I'm concerned.

They claim that the congressional investigation is politically motivated, but can't see that the Justice Dept. was changed into an arm of the Republican campaign committee.


(edit for mispelling)

[TahitiNut]

66. Me loves me some Jerry Nadler!

He says it like it is.

[mod mom]

67. Nadler : This committe not only about crime but also protecting the constitution!

[L. Coyote]

68. "They have sent the Attorney General here to lie."

Yes, call criminals criminals. Thank you.

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. GO SHELIA!!!! Give 'em hell!

:loveya:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

71. Sheila brings up Nixon!!!!! eom

[Lasher]

72. Lee brought up Nixon!

[blogslut]

73. Sheila Jackson-Lee

Revives the ghost of NIXON! Yeehaw!

[Chichiri]

74. Woo hoo, Jackson-Lee!

"I'm prepared to accept a clash of constitutional powers, because the constitution is superior to the feelings of the people in this room."

[Hepburn]

78. She is sooooooooooooo RIGHT ON!!!!!

Go, Sheila, go!!!! :applause:

Kicking butt and taking names!!!!!!!!

[bdamomma]

75. ohhh baby sheila jackson lee, is hitting back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:woohoo:


sensenbrenner what a POS he is. miserable man.

[spanone]

76. Sheila Jackson Lee......Kick Ass.....

[MrMickeysMom]

77. Re-establish the Constitutional powers, Goddamn right!

[WinkyDink]

79. If Bush wants to be monarchial, I nominate the "Louis XVI" model.

[Drum]

80. "Time we look at the gorilla in the room: Nixon."

and "The feelings of the members in this room are not as important as the needs of the American People"

Right on!!!

[L. Coyote]

98. Finally, the American People get a mention. The People v. Bush/Cheney

is the state of the nation. The rights of the people have been violated. The government of the People is what is at stake today.

[Chichiri]

81. Holy god, for the first time in my life, I wish I lived in Texas.

TX-18, to be precise -- just so I can have Sheila as my rep.

[Chichiri]

84. LOL!! "Mr. Chairman?" " . . . who is this?"

[Lasher]

86. Ha ha, Conyers is doing his best to keep things moving.

Eyes on the prize.

[LSK]

83. how could anyone watch this and not love John Conyers?

Edit: Ooops, typo

[Lasher]

92. I'm going to guess that Lord Vader isn't feeling much affection for Conyers right now.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

93. He stepped on what they were saying. eom

[blogslut]

85. Watt calls it

Diversion = Repubs

[Blackhatjack]

87. So how many Repub amendments have been voted down so far? n/t

[Lasher]

95. Two since I've been on board but I wasn't here at the start.

[Drum]

99. I think it's two in total (so far) nt

[L. Coyote]

88. The amendment isn't the only thing not relevant today! Impeach NOW!

[Hepburn]

102. Great pic....it is my desktop wallpaper today! n/t

[L. Coyote]

138. Good idea. I've added a 1280 x 800 pixel deskpicture

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/impeach/

[rodeodance]

89. gee, I already Ruled it NOT Germaine!! --they could have saved time!

[Chichiri]

90. Mister Guitterez . . . is invisible? O_o

Sorry, I'm actually having some fun with this hearing. :)

[spanone]

91. every amendment is a brownie point with mr cheney.....traitors

[rodeodance]

94. 22-16-Repug Amendment Failed

[LSK]

105. I like that vote total, I think the contempt charges will pass

IF we ever get to them.

[NewJeffCT]

108. is 22-16 the committee split by party? I thought it was 20-18?

but, I could be wrong.

[bdamomma]

97. conyers is all business and cool as a cucumber huh?

[Lasher]

104. That's right alyce. He's focused on getting the contempt measure passed.

[PA Democrat]

100. FYI. Judiciary Committee has 23 Democratic members and 17 Republican members

List of members here:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/committees.tt?commid=hjudi

[in_cog_ni_to]

119. Are they now finished with the Contempt issue?

[PA Democrat]

123. Did I miss it?

Was that vote to send the contempt charges to the floor for a vote?

[rodeodance]

101. yahoo-------Finally after all the Repug Obstruction tactics they are getting to the VOTE.

[in_cog_ni_to]

103. Where's Wexler???

[LSK]

110. I saw him on a previous vote

Maybe hes involved in another hearing or House floor business?

[Blackhatjack]

106. This must be crushing for those who thought they were part of a "Permanent Repub Majority"

[bobthedrummer]

107. Impeach Cheney first

[bdamomma]

111. boy, those repigs stick together don't they, they will go down

with the ship.

[Chichiri]

112. This is the very definition of angry white men.

On the right side of the room.

[sinkingfeeling]

113. Report accepted.

[MiniMe]

115. Amazing that not 1 repuke is voting for the bill

Talk about party over country

[rodeodance]

116. The resolution is 22 AYE and 17 NAYs ---the REport is AGREED to!!!

[Lasher]

117. 22 Aye and 17 nay

The contempt measure is passed. Yay!

[SharonRB]

120. Will it go to the full House today?

[IChing]

121. He saiid 2 days are given to add comments

[Lasher]

126. I guess Wexler didn't vote.

22 to 17 was the total but there are 23 Democrats.

[bdamomma]

127. oh well guys that's it, the amendment will go to the HOuse.

have a good day you guys.

[Chichiri]

125. I don't know, but I'm thinking Friday.

Conyers said that committee members have two days to submit something or other. That could just be a follow up. I really don't know.

[Lasher]

134. I hope it doesn't go the House until Monday then.

Kinda like a reverse Friday news dump.

[blogslut]

122. Damned Cats shut off my DSL!!!

I missed the damned end of it, didn't I?

[IChing]

129. you are lucky Laura Bush appeared on my feed

[cboy4]

132. She's talking about school books for African children and the first

thing out of her mouth is "September 11th."

terra terra!!! :eyes:

[Lasher]

135. Git out there and spread the fear, Laura

It's kinda sad, the only thing this administration they can cite in their favor is their failure to protect our nation form the worst terrorist attack ever, despite clear warnings it was coming.

[Lasher]

130. Hahahahaha, mine like to walk on the keyboard.

That's my excuse for some of the things I've posted here.

[MiniMe]

131. Yup

[quiet.american]

128. Thank you, Chairman Conyers! n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

136. Thank you, MiniMe

!!