45° celsius/ 114° F in southern Europe.. (from CNN-I)

[SoCalDem]

and the Thames is flooding... to the tune of 6£

Many of the Mediterranean countries do not have AC:(

Our disasters are bad, but we rarely hear of others' disasters...and according to a BBC thing I saw yesterday, when we DO report them, the report usually ends up with a comparison to ours..and then a full-on report on how their disaster affects US :eyes:

[Squatch]

1. Don't worry...it'll cool down A LOT

in the next couple decades as the ocean conveyor ceases to distribute global temperatures.

[NMDemDist2]

3. see that big green patch covering South America? what happens when that is gone in 5 years?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1431750

I think it's too late folks for many of us.

[Squatch]

4. The price of Brazilian Cherry will go up?

[NMDemDist2]

6. well, that and 90 billion tons of carbon will be released back into the atmosphere

:eyes:

[Ezlivin]

5. If the thermohaline circulation does shut down...

What must be remembered is that these changes will be superimposed on the pattern of warming due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Over Europe, then, little change or slight warming would probably be expected if the THC collapsed, with cooling restricted to the ocean areas. Associated changes in storminess and precipitation are even harder to estimate. Link

[Squatch]

7. And an opposing viewpoint

The consequences of a shut-down in the Atlantic Ocean thermohaline circulation are uncertain. Paleoclimatological evidence shows that disruption of the thermohaline circulation has happened before. Deep ocean sediments dating from the last Ice Age (~11,000 year ago), suggest that the fresh water run-off from melting ice masses decreased sea water density sufficiently to cause a breakdown of ocean overturning. What followed was a European winter 10 degrees Celsius below normal and cold spells that lasted for hundreds of years. Link

[Ezlivin]

46. Yeah, it could be really, really bad

Or it could be normal.

The cynic in me suspects it will be far from normal.

But like Mongo said, "I am only pawn in game of life." All I can do is listen to the scientists and try to determine the best course of action for me and my family.

[bdamomma]

2. the earth is pissed off with us too.

[YOY]

8. My in-laws in are in a village in SE Europe

It is unbearably hot and they do not have AC. My Mother-in-law is prone to skin cancer to boot. This is driving me nuts!

I've got to do something but we are not in the financial position to help.

[Warpy]

10. Every desert dweller who has to be outdoors during the summer

knows to cover up. The ones who don't are the ones who end up with the skin cancers.

What you can do for her is make some 3/4 length sleeve, gauzy tunics and send them along with a brimmed hat.

I live in gauzes in the summertime.

FWIW, I spent my first two summers out here with no cooler. The second one saw a peak temperature of 107. Even with humidity under 15%, I thought I was gonna die. My sympathy to the southern Europeans who are enduring this stuff at higher humidities. Soaking one's head and walking around with wet hair helps.

[SoCalDem]

11. What we did in Panama (no A/C) for 8 long years

wet tee-towels, draped over fans, and then lovingly placed on exposed skin :)..wet and repeat.. :) and cold showers followed by standing in front of fans :)

turn off all lights and electrical stuff...don;t cook..eat cold stuff..

and popsicles..lots of popsicls :)

[Swamp Rat]

16. granisados

¡Que rico! :9

I can relate. I lived in Costa Rica and Brasil. ;)

[sce56]

68. I spent a year in Yucatan w/o AC the Hammoca was great to keep cool in while sleeping

Not bad for other entertainment also ;)

[Swamp Rat]

69. ¡Yo sé!

:D ;)

[fed-up]

40. I can't afford A/C here in Northern CA, almost 49 is not too old to play in the sprinkler :) nt

[proud patriot]

52. or float in the kiddie pool

I also use ceilling fans , and my mist bottle .

[trashcanistanista]

55. Yes, my squishy pool

has been a godsend. They're not just for kids anymore.

[closeupready]

51. :-D Popsicles good, cooking bad.

:D

[YOY]

12. My wife brought her a wide brimmed hat from REI

One of those 'granny gardener' hats. She likes it. I'm going to ask if the next time we go we can stop in one of the big stores in the capital city and buy an AC unit. Small and energy efficient. It's the least I can do!

I know I could do more or better but they are elderly and so far away in a fairly remote village.

[Warpy]

41. Better get one there

220, you know.

[YOY]

44. Of course! Not only the electricity and EU environment standards but just imagine transporting one!

That's just nuts! There's a store in the capital similar to Circuit City that I will stop in the next time I'm there.

[Desertrose]

9. Hello folks...we ARE all interconnected....

but then according to the media...only in the way if affects our (US) economy.

Thanks for posting this SoCalD.


Yeah, don't know if anyone or anything can really predict what these changes will bring about...my sense is they could be pretty dang hard to ignore.

DR

[Dogmudgeon]

21. Hi, Desertrose!

Haven't seen you here in a long time.

You're in a warm area, aren't you?

Philly is hotter than usual, but only by a degree or two.

:hi:

--p!

[Desertrose]

57. Hi sweet --p!

Sorry , couldn't resist that one....:evilgrin:

:hi: Yup, AZ has been toasty but we just had a lovely monsoon rain so we are cool & damp. Finally!!

Been popping back every once in awhile.... :)

How's Philly? How're you??:)

:hug:
DR

[SpiralHawk]

65. Hola DesertRose - blooming again on DU

I KNEW you couldn't resist. You should ship several thousand feather fans to Europe immediately. The check will be in the mail (one would hope).

Meegwich, SH

[Up2Late]

13. Oh, it's just 10+ degrees Celsius above normal in some parts, why worry?

Probably just normal fluctuations. :sarcasm:

Btw, here's a good new European Weather forecast site that I found a few days ago: <http://www.eurotempest.com/temp.php>

I think it's another site created by European Insurance and Liability companies, so it must be true. :sarcasm:

NOTE: You have to sign up for the web site to use it, but it's by the same people who created my favorite Hurricane Tracking site, which is also excellent: <http://tsr.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/>

[sanskritwarrior]

14. Oh noes

Europe is having a heat wave and a flooding?


That's never happened before.......... :eyes:

Cue the global warming freakshow to come streaming into this thread.......

[YOY]

15. Lack of concern is easy when your family is not in danger

n/t

[sanskritwarrior]

18. Huh

I didn't know you knew where my family lives.......

I had no idea you knew my ethnicity and where my relatives still live today.........

:eyes:

Here's a hint sport, I am half Indian (subcontinent type) and 1/4 some people that live in SE europe........Don't presume to know where I and my family live......And yes it is a freakshow because SE Europe having a heatwave is not unusual........Nor is the mandatory hysteria here anytime the weather changes.........

[YOY]

Maybe you could have read my earlier post here

Panicking about the environment? No, I'm worried about my in-laws who are elderly and living without AC. Do I have your permission to do that? Sport.

[sanskritwarrior]

33. Of course you do

but you have to wash my car first.......

;)

[YOY]

34. Whaaaaaat?

Why on earth would I wash your car?

Clearly a comment over my head.

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[WinkyDink]

48. Do you READ? England's flooding is HISTORIC. And 114 degrees F. is NOT the usual European

"heat-wave". HEAT-WAVE?? What a ridiculous term.

[Thothmes]

64. Not Histoic.

Reported as worst in 60 years.

[Zodiak]

17. "Global warming freakshow"

Funny...I always thought that only Republicans deny science and call those that acknowledge it as "freaks".

Global warming is happening, so I do not see why you would use such loaded language to describe those that are following it.

If you disagree that these events in Europe have anything to do with global warming, then say so. As is, you are being divisive and rude.

[sanskritwarrior]

19. I don't remember seeing the

rule on DU that says belief in global warming makes one a Democrat........Can you please show it to me.......

If not, then please stop the Brownshirt crap where anyone not in lockstep is a Repug.......

I don't buy it, I have seen no evidence that will make me buy it, I am still a liberal.........OH THE HORROR........ :eyes:

And yes it is a hysterical freakshow around here on quite a few issues.......

[Zodiak]

25. Well, you are an unusal DUer

However, you will find that I made no such rule, but still found my observation "interesting".

As do many DUers I am sure.

And you are still rude and divisive. Not exactly a welcome addition to the community, in my opinion.

You continue to deny the results of countless years of scientific research on a progressive board, and I will put you on my ignore list so you don't have to deal with my brownshirt tactics, any more.

Happy?

You do not seem to have anything to contribute, anyways.

[SoCalDem]

27. and the original post (mine) was about the PERCEPTION and reporting

or "furriner news"... not so much about global warming,...in fact I don;t think I even used those words :)

[Name removed]

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[sanskritwarrior]

29. LOL

I could say the same about you on other issues........

But I'm polite enough to not act like an ass and tell you about it.........

But hey it's a BIG TENT............

[Dogmudgeon]

28. You're right about the politics. But the evidence is quite strong now.

The atmospheric carbon isotope ratio has shifted just as predicted by global warming research. It is different than the signature for natural periods of warming. This information can be readily found on line.

But the mandatory-belief thing sucks. This is a time for a commitment to education on these issues, not demands for belief. Better an inquiring disbeliever than an accepting believer.

(Scholars and Rogues. A good synopsis of the arguments.)

--p!

[sanskritwarrior]

31. AGREE 1000%

I have no problem talking the science.......I have a BIG problem if I'm not convincd and people freak out......

[Lisa]

36. thanks for mentioning the isotope ratio shift ...

I remember that the people at the U of Arizona were telling me that this is something we should be looking for, when I was visiting one of the climate labs down there in 1992. I've been doing research in other areas over the past few years so I hadn't been keeping up with the literature -- I'm going to head over to the atmospheric journals now to get back up to speed!

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/iso-sio/iso-sio.html

[Dogmudgeon]

66. It's the "Smoking Radionuclide"

The concept is easy to get, but the actual labwork must have been brutal. My hat's off to the climatologists and techs who have tracked it.

--p!

[Lisa]

70. yeah, no kidding ...

For awhile, back in the mid-90s, my prof was talking about wanting to track the 13/12 ratio in atmospheric methane. After looking into what would be required, he ended up moving onto something else (and he's not a guy who gives up easily!).

He really wanted me to switch my research area and team up with him -- I'm actually glad I didn't, because it would have taken a lot more skill than I've got (theory and lab). As it was, I ran overtime on my dissertation.

[WinkyDink]

49. You're a "Liberal"? Riiiiiiight.

[Lars39]

56. Showing compassion for your fellow man is a hallmark of being liberal

and/or progressive. I've yet to see you show concern over anybody or thing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. Belief in global warming isn't a prerequisite for being a democrat.

It's a prerequisite for being literate.

The globe is warming. The globe is also round- like a globe. You do know the earth is round, right?

[BrightKnight]

20. sunny and 83 F in Dallas

Normally we have 100+ almost every day this time of year. I don't think that we have been near triple digits all summer. The torrential rain and flooding are annoying but you have to look on the bright side.

[sanskritwarrior]

22. Yes and back in 1999 in Texas

we had 100 straight days of over 100 degree tempratures...........

Honolulu today: Partly cloudy 87.........

[girl gone mad]

47. I leave Dallas..

to get away from the heat and it turns out to be the mildest summer in recent history. Just my luck. But the rain was driving me nuts, so I guess it worked out for the best. I can't imagine what winter is going to be like.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

53. We've had the same low temps due to perpetual rain this summer in Houston. n/t

[Blackhatjack]

23. Think about 114 degrees without any air conditioning... they are in big trouble

It is not not only the homes that are unairconditioned. There are few businesses that have air conditioning available to the public.

Just watch the death toll rise ....

[sanskritwarrior]

24. Huh

I spent 2 summers in Iraq with no AC and 125 degree weather while wearing body armor and long sleeves, pants and boots.......

Again I don't find natural weather phenomenon that scary.........Sorry........

[tabasco]

39. Headquarters puke, if in the service at all.

No A/C, LOL.

You sure find a lot of time to post, during normal duty hours, for a purported active duty E-7.

[sanskritwarrior]

74. LOL

what are my normal duty hours here in Hawaii........

You have tried this crap 3 times now and never answered my question........

I love seeing a response from you, it will either be an attack, a smear, or a statement you cannot prove.........you are quite the ass........

[girl gone mad]

50. You were young and healthy, presumably.

The old and the infirm often die in large numbers during such heat waves. Nearly 15,000 died in Paris during the record heat of August 2003.

Being in a place that's hot for months on end and never cold is much different than being in a zone with dramatic temperature swings. The body often isn't able to properly adapt to the extremes.

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[Bjornsdotter]

60. Your compassion

....for others is overwhelming :sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. dupe

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. Huh.

The highest temperature in Iraq that was ever recorded was 122 degrees F.

[sanskritwarrior]

75. Remind me to find a that picture I have a of thermometer that shows

129.............In Iraq in September 2005.......

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

77. Find that picture of the thermometer.

I'm sure NOAA would be very interested.

[sanskritwarrior]

80. So far I only found the one that shows 119 degrees

I may be wrong, but let me keep going through my pics.......

[muriel_volestrangler]

79. A thermometer behind a Stevenson screen>

or just a thermometer? The former can be used to compare the weather in 2 different places, and relates to the temperatures given by met offices and weather forecasts; the latter just tells you how hot the thermometer has been, recently.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_screen

[SoCalDem]

26. Last I heard it was about 1k ALREADY..(not all from one country)

Older people are the ones who suffer the most, and they are also reluctant to ask for help :(

[sanskritwarrior]

32. Now that is sad.......

[rockedthevoteinMA]

35. Those poor people. n/t

[Elwood P Dowd]

37. It's only 82 here in Alabama

It's been very cool this summer. The thermometer in my back yard rarely registers anything over 90, with most highs in the mid to high 80s. It's been a strange summer with cool temps and very little rain.

[SoCalDem]

38. Our weather has only recently gotten HOT.. We had a very extended spring

and I'm afraid that our fall will be wicked-hot :)

[JCMach1]

42. Only 42 and Windy here in the UAE... usually 45-50 this time of year...

the weather is pooched... this comes on the heels of a VERY WET Winter and Spring oh, and a Tropical Cyclone

[Dogmudgeon]

67. 42 Celsius, right?

That's about 107F IIRC.

Keep that jacket handy!

--p!

[SoCalDem]

71. Here's the converter..

http://www.indiana.edu/~animal/fun/conversions/temperature.html

[SoCalDem]

78. UAE.. the new "Garden of Eden"..coming soon

:)

[lebkuchen]

43. I passed through Oxford today around 1:00

The flooding must have happened after that, or else it didn't affect too many people...road traffic was relatively light. However, it was raining as I drove through and almost all the way to London. Southeast England has been drier than the rest of the country.

I saw several fields flooded in the Cotswolds yesterday. Tomorrow rains are supposed to be heavier. As I had mentioned in a post the other day, it has rained in the UK every day that I've been here except yesterday, and it was raining heavily weeks before I had arrived, so that's two months straight of constant rain.

Yesterday droves of folks were "flooding" the Chatsworth House (Pride and Prejudice) to picnic and bag some rays for a change of pace. I was surprised to see stars in the sky last night for the first time in over a month. It didn't last long.

[lovuian]

54. I feel for the Brits this is so sad but a wake up call

Global Warming is here..and you live on a island duh...

those cliffs of Dover as you see flooding come from within with the rain
and video cameras don't work when electricity is out

[nealmhughes]

59. I don't get the island part of the "duuh." Britain does have a humid climate, but so does the

Atlantic coast, from Algeria to Jutland. The floods are more like the Rhineland floods which regularly inundate everything from Trier to Bonn and the streets of Colgne are covered over with makeshift elevated sidewalks going to the Dom.

Now that is unusual for the UK. Not for Germany in the spring, but this is late summer.

Last year the heat wave in London was overwhelming, and this year the rain in the West. I am waiting on the Thames to freeze over at Greenwich next winter!

[Feron]

45. I feel bad for them..

After Katrina I had no electricity for two weeks and it was probably 90 degrees or more in the shade. My grandmother had refused to evacuate and as the days went by you could literally see her dying. At that point phone service was sporadic and it fortunately came up long enough to arrange a hotel room for her. I strongly believe that is what saved her life.

We didn't know it at the time, but my grandmother has dementia. And after the storm, she dramatically declined mentally. I suspect that after this heatwave is over there will be an increase in dementia diagnoses.

[slick8790]

58. I just got back

Was on a 2 week trip to greece and turkey and italy. thought it was gonna die in athens, it was like 42 degrees there. And the AC thing is right. You'd walk by a store that felt cool, but the air conditioning was only in the doorway and it was still stifling inside. good to be back in the USA.

[JitterbugPerfume]

76. Damn!

my sister is getting married in Somerset , England on Saturday!

Don't melt sis , and I will see you at the reception !:loveya:


seriously, sis is 68 . I don't think she can take the stress and the heat.