What's the rush?

[endarkenment]

So the subpoenas are voted out of committee (on a party line vote of course) and will sit in limbo until after the August recess. After all what is the rush? There is no urgency here. It is not like it is a matter of life or death that this administration be brought to heal.

You got your nice pony to play with. I hope you all like it.

Me, I think Cindy has the right idea.

[bryant69]

1. Yeah cause there's no better way to fight Republicans than to Attack Democrats

I totally agree.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[endarkenment]

5. Pressure.

But are you happy with this development? Is it a good move? Why?

[bryant69]

7. Yes I am, Yes it is, and read Big Trees post as to why. n/t

[endarkenment]

12. pom poms nt.

[bryant69]

19. Hooray for sanity!!!! n/t

[bigtree]

29. yay Cindy! yay impeachment!

Yay articles, posts, and statements which promote Cindy and impeachment!!

YAY!

[Phredicles]

8. These people SUPPOSEDLY work for us,

and my evaluation of their diligence and initiative is not good. And we sure as hell don't owe them the blind obedience you seem to crave on their behalf.

[bryant69]

10. I don't favor blind obedience

I favor a rational respect based on a serious evaluation of their performance.

I don't find blind disdain any more admirable than blind obedience.

Bryant

[Az]

2. Whats the rush?

Each day he sits in that office he shits on the Constitution. Each day he sits in that office he forces our bravest deeper into a quagmire. Each day he sits in that office he comes closer to finding a context to attack another nation.

Thats why the rush.

[walldude]

3. August recess

I asked for the month of August off. After all I make less money and work a lot more hours then the folks in Congress... I got laughed at.

[bigtree]

18. I really don't think it's a vacation in that sense

there will be constituent work. Perfect opportunity to find them at home in these states which don't see these folks most of the year and bend their ears. How about some sit-ins of their home state offices?

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. Already in the works in my district

[dkofos]

4. Remember, August is a bad time to roll out a new marketing plan.

[endarkenment]

6. Indeed.

Whats a few more months?

[dkofos]

9. Maybe the death of a nation!

[dflprincess]

11. The August recess gives Bushco another 31 days to put the finishing touches

on whatever false flag or actual attack they might be planning for us - another 31 days for them to prepare for marshall law.

[bigtree]

15. It also gives us time to pressure republicans

who might be inclined to support Bush's obstruction of justice.

Do you really think that if this was voted out today, that it would prevent any planned 'false flag' attack?

[endarkenment]

26. yeah that is going swimmingly.

They vote the fucking party line. Consistently. How many R's voted for the Iraq amendment a couple of weeks ago? 2? That pressure is clearly causing them to crack.

[bigtree]

31. of course our Democrats in Congress have had the benefit of our unified support

and defense of their investigative efforts all along . . . right? How could they falter?

[endarkenment]

35. Oops change the subject, that tack didn't work..

So about those fence sitting republicans, how is that effort going again?

[bigtree]

39. the closer we get to the elections, the more pressure can be applied

Those invincible :eyes: republicans have political soft spots.

[endarkenment]

52. Ah, so you must be referring to september 08.

My mistake. I thought you meant this september.

[Wiley50]

32. It's Martial Law. Marshall Law works the next county over from Marshall Dillon n/t

[bigtree]

13. so, tell us. What's the harm in waiting till they return? Spell it out

instead of just resting your case with this factless smear.

Do you really believe the contempt charges over these subpoenas will bring the administration "to heel?"

[TahitiNut]

17. "us"???

Who's "us"? You have a tapeworm? :silly:

[bigtree]

22. people reading the thread, of course

you're stretching a bit to confront me. Now it's descending into naked ridicule. You notice I haven't adopted a similar tact?

[TahitiNut]

34. "Only presidents, editors and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'" ...

... (Mark Twain)

Sad you don't recognize Twain's wisdom. :shrug:

[bigtree]

37. I respond more to his humor

"Everything human is pathetic. The secret source of Humor itself is not joy but sorrow. There is no humor in heaven."

[PA Democrat]

36. No, but it is part of a process.

We must turn public opinion, build outrage to the point that even Republican members of Congress know the gig is up.

The contempt charges are just one step in that process. It is part of the effort to keep the wrongdoings of the Bush administration on the front page and at the top of the news, every single day. Keep reminding people why Bush and company must go. Public opinion is changing, but people have short memories. I think it is foolish to delay and to allow the attention of the country to shift away from the crimes of the Bush administration.

Every day we allow the Bush administration to keep their stranglehold on Republicans in Congress, is one more day that the end to the occupation of Iraq is delayed and the resulting deaths of US soldiers continue. It is one more day that Bush signs executive orders, issues signing statements, spies on US citizens, takes away more of our civil liberties as part of his effort to amass more power.

[bigtree]

38. It will likely enhance the Sept. confrontation over Iraq

and get the attention of returning vacationers. My store is pretty empty in August.

[endarkenment]

40. yes it is so wise to stall and dither and delay

I see it all clearly now. Thanks for putting me straight.



So after september comes and goes and nothing has changed, what will be your new 'bigtree unit' for a deadline on action?

[PA Democrat]

49. I guess I have a greater sense of urgency. I am sure that the schemers

in the Bush administration will not be taking the month of August off. They are fighting for their political lives. I don't think it a wise move to ease up the pressure and give them time to regroup and take the lead.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. What's the hold up?

[LSK]

16. you do realize that impeachment proceedings can take over a year

And the war will not end when the impeachment proceedings start right???

[endarkenment]

21. You do realize I am shit pissless over this?

Sorry I don't do sarcasm smileys. I hate this crap. I hate our party leaders. They are fucking enablers of the death of the republic. Fuck them and their fucking 'splainers on this board.

[LSK]

no sarcasm needed, I stated cold hard facts

Apparently you do not like democracy. Because democracy does not happen instantly.

By the way, more Americans are dying from lack of healthcare than in Iraq.

[endarkenment]

24. Ah so the logic here is 'it takes a long time'

so let's not get started. Ah, got it. Yes perfectly sensible. As long as it takes a year, why not take two years? In fact, why not just DO NOTHING AT ALL?

[LSK]

27. it is started

What the fuck do you think HR333 is???

Instead of YET ANOTHER SPEECH on DU, why not contact congressmen to co-sponsor that bill?

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml

:shrug:

[endarkenment]

30. Is going nowhere.

"Neither the subcommittee nor the full Judiciary Committee, chaired by Congressman John Conyers, has yet scheduled a hearing on the resolution."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_House_Resolution_333

John Who?

It is not started.

[LSK]

33. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1434214&mesg_id=1434214

But Im sure you are more affective spending your time arguing with me.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Why do you assume we haven't been contacting those reps?

Good grief, some of us here have been trying to get the ball rolling on these hearings for months now. Not only have we contacted reps, we got nearly ONE MILLION signatures on petitions. We have even come here to post about what we are doing. Yet you criticize "YET ANOTHER SPEECH on DU"??

Oh, BTW, guess what the reps said when we contacted them? :)

[endarkenment]

46. Good for you. So you are happy with this dithering?

You think letting this sit for a month is a good idea?

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. No

I have posted this over and over here. The evidence is there. When the American people see it, they will demand impeachment. But unless we have hearings, they won't see the evidence.

I also just posted this (I believe) in this thread:

Every 10 minutes, an Iraqi citizen dies.

Every 10 hours, a US soldier dies.

So no, we can't afford to let this sit for a month.

[endarkenment]

51. Ok then you and I have no argument on this. nt.

[Toots]

20. "Me, I think Cindy has the right idea."

Do you even know what you are saying? Cindy is in a huge rush to save American lives. She is in such a rush she has decided she needs to go directly to Conyer's office and demand action NOW..What's the rush? People are fucking dieing.. That is what the fucking rush is.. Don't you get that. It is a matter of Life and Death...

[endarkenment]

23. Yes that was the antithesis of my thesis.

You know, state position A and then demonstrate why it is horribly wrong and end with ~A. Sorry if my intention was misunderstood.

[WilliamPitt]

25. You and the ponies, man.

If your skin was any thinner, the wind would blow it off you.

[endarkenment]

28. Your big scold yesterday, how's that tasting now?

not so delicious huh?

[WilliamPitt]

41. Tastes great

Better than some other horseshit I can think of.

Still waiting for the next three words.

[endarkenment]

44. So you are happy with dithering and delay?

no criticism from our eternal critic?

[WilliamPitt]

47. Nope

But I know how to change that.

I'll talk about how bad things are to people who already know.

I'll say it's about the constitution.

I'll cheer when others embarrass the idea of protest.

I'll join a protest so obnoxious and misguided that itll alienate the very people who can do what I'm asking for.

I'll have no plan more than twenty letters long.

I'll build no coalitions.

I'll attack anyone who wants the same thing but doesn't think any of the above is helpful.

I'll make absolutely sure my goal is doomed.

Mostly, though, I'll bang on a keyboard while simmering over pony jokes.

[endarkenment]

50. There ya go! I knew I could coax it out of you.

Though I am still trying to parse:
"I'll cheer when others embarrass the idea of protest."

Pony up cowboy.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. An Iraqi dies every 10 minutes

A US soldier dies every 10 hours.

Yeah, no rush.