Former DUer bashes DU on BartCop.

[DemoTex]

Subject: banned from Demo Underground

I was a member of Democratic Underground and was banned because I was pro-Hillary.

The far left tools on there bash Hillary to no end and would rather not vote or vote third party
than support her and win. I hope that these clowns are just a fringe group and that the polls are
correct and most democrats aren't this foolish. Hillary is clearly the best choice, she is smart,
polished, has been outstanding in the debates and instills confidence.

I like Obama but I think he is green, he seems to be reaching for every answer.
Hillary has the posse, too, all the people from Bill's administration and I'm sure many
close advisors that she has been gathering for years. Who is in Obamas posse?

I have a feeling that Obama will scare all the "security moms" because he doesn't come across
as being confident and deliberate. I think Hillary seems tough and women will support her.
John K

Bart's response:
John, there are a LOT of Democrats who'd rather lose than let Hillary win.
Democrats hold the key to the next election.

Will they decide to give the Republicans four more years?

http://www.bartcop.com/

[NewJeffCT]

1. I'm sure he wasn't banned for just being pro-Hillary

but, most names here on DU are a blur to me.

[BlooInBloo]

2. Neat-o! Distributed team-trolling!

EDIT: It takes two to tango.

[EFerrari]

14. Exactly and s/he just proved the banning was the better part of wisdom.

[bryant69]

3. Banned because he or she was pro-Hillary?

Hmmmmmm. Encyclopedia Bryant suspects there is more to the story than this self serving account lets on.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Warpy]

16. Yeah, there usually is,

and I'm detecting a not so faint odor of professional troll.

If he was ever here, whoever banned him was very wise.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. LOL sure

Hey John, come on back. You will find lots of friends here now. :rofl:

[Individualist]

5. Yeah, all Hillary supporters are banned from here.

:eyes:

[cynatnite]

59. My thoughts exactly n/t

[TahitiNut]

6. He's clearly a liar.

NOBODY would be banned for being "pro-Hillary." People would be banned for being sociopathic about it, though. :shrug:

I'm often amazed that 'some' supporters just can't stand up to legitimate criticisms - and other's can't seem to avoid name-calling and demeaning personal attacks.

Of particular note (to me) are those who can't seem to hadle the facts - such as the fact that the candidate they support voted to enable Smirk's global aggression with a vote for the IWR.

Appeasement is NOT a strategy - except for political cowards and fools.

[Hepburn]

7. I cannot buy that ANYONE was banned merely for...

...supporting ANY Dem candidate. Ummmm...wait: Make that anyone but Joe DINO LIEberman! (Just kidding!)

I would agree that the poster had to do more than just merely support Hillary. That is NOT a reason for being banned at the DU.

[billyoc]

8. Banned for being pro-Hillary!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I wish.

[dysfunctional press]

9. i don't think that bartcop has a very firm grip on just what the dlc is all about...

i had to give up on his site after many years, because i just couldn't stomach his continual gushing over hillary any longer.

[KG]

22. bartcop; 'bill clinton is the best president this country ever had'

:rofl:

[MODemocrat]

39. I agree with Bartcop on that

Nothing funny about it to me!

[dysfunctional press]

45. so many wonderful things for america came out of the clinton administration...

nafta
the telecom act of 94
welfare 'reform'
the defense of marriage act
wto

[Bake]

47. Yeah, those 8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton

Thank God THAT'S over with!

:sarcasm:

Bake

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

53. May I join you?

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

49. Bartcop called them "pink tutu" Dems long before

anyone else criticized the DLC Dems.

Bart is just being realistic about the Dems needing to field candidates that can win the popular vote by a wide margin.

I'm no fan of the DLC, but Bartcop earns my respect any day of the week.

[pitohui]

57. same here ozarkdem EOM

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[dysfunctional press]

64. "pink tutu" dems isn't a reference to the dlc...

the dlc are corporatists, and hillary is their go-to girl.

instead of letting the corporate media choose our candidates, we have to get better at getting our message out to voters, and making them realize that the things they really want in their government and their society are actually liberal ideas.

i think that moving the party to the right is definitely the wrong approach. it's definitely easier than moving the electorate to the left- but what's the point of winning, if you have to sacrifice your ideals to do so?

[karynnj]

52. I never looked at his site and never knew he gushed over Hillary

I am completely confused as to how this goes with his obnoxious "pink tutu" Democrats not standing up to Bush. Kerry likely had stood up to Bush more by the end of January than Hillary did in the entire year - and she was better than Bill.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

61. This is a problem with many partisan Democrats.

In many cases there is not much difference between them and Reagan worshiping Republicans. They worship everything Clinton, as many Republicans worship everything Reagan. During any Republican debate you have ten guys on stage trying to sound like Ronnie. Having read Bartcop and his disdain for "pink-tutu" Democrats it appears he, and most Dems have a rather large blind spot when it comes to the Clintons. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Clinton was the best President in this nation's history. I feel anger and disgust toward anybody who lacks basic historical memory and/or knowledge. I don't claim to know all the answers, however I believe this party needs to get over Clinton. Democrats at all levels come and go, the party will always go forward after they have left office. What we, the base of the party need to do is move on, quit looking for another Bill Clinton! I'm sorry, with the problems the country faces in 2007, the last thing we need is another Bill Clinton!

I have noticed Hillary supporters never want to debate issues. They think Hillary should get the nod for some of the most shallow reasons you could imagine. "If Hillary gets elected we will have the Clintons back in the White House!!!!! Wouldn't that be super neato!!!!!! Or, "I hope Hillary wins because when I was in fourth grade little Jimmy McGee told me a woman would never be president. 30 years later I hope to finally stick it to him!"

It's not time for a woman president, or a black president, or a southern president, or a green president. It's time for a President who recognizes the problems this country faces. The struggle certain Americans must still overcome, the plight of the poor, working, and middle classes, the danger of blind militarism/nationalism, and how important it is to NEVER allow the country to be taken down the same disastrous roads again. I want never again to MEAN never again.

Sorry about the form of this reply, typed it quickly at work.

[davidwparker]

10. If that were the case, these pro-Hillary people would be banned:

you know who you are :)

[truebrit71]

I have a few in mind......

...

[supernova]

11. Jacinto, is that you?

edit: That's a stupid argument. Nobody who is pro Hillary here has been kicked off for that reason alone.

[stevedeshazer]

63. HAHAHAHA!

There's a blast from the past...

[SoCalDem]

67. Jiacinto was a pip..

:)

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. One more disgruntled ex-DUer. The list is LONG.

:)

[Warpy]

17. Those of us who are still gruntled make a longer list

and always will.

[zbdent]

18. usually with an average post count of

3.2 ...

[Faygo Kid]

32. Hell, I quit before. Then realized I liked provocative comment. Unlike the Right.

I got ticked a couple of years ago, then realized I could hold my own here against any and all comers, and might even learn something from those with which I disagree. Besides, DUers are clever as hell. The rapier, not the broadsword.

This is unlike the FReepers, who not only post endlessly against evolution, they demonstrate the truth of their arguments - they have clearly never evolved from pond scum.

Thanks for a reason for post #6552, though.

[mmonk]

13. Ummmmmm don't think so,

I think maybe it had to do with an unrelated post. People don't get banned here for supporting different democratic party candidates.

[tularetom]

15. I like Bartcop but he sure has blinders on when it comes to Hillary

When she wusses out about impeachment Bart says "she's just biding her time. She can't be seen as too eager to impeach just yet."

But let some other Dem say exactly the same thing. Bart screams "Pink tutu! Pink tutu!"

[welshTerrier2]

19. Notice the total lack of focus on the issues

this epitomizes the Clinton campaign ...

the poster talked about bashing Hillary, fringe groups, smart, polished, debates, confidence, and having the posse.

Obama is green, reaching for answers, and no posse.

Obama will scare "security moms", not confident,.

Hillary seems tough.

Iraq? Iran? Health care? Public campaign financing? Military-industrial complex? Global warming? exporting jobs? not so much ...

sure am glad to be part of the fringe ....

[jedicord]

41. Heh Heh - you said "posse"! n/t

[Name removed]

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[Ian David]

28. No, no, no, no, NO NO NO NO! The real presidential candidate hated on DU...

Some presidential candidates are far from household names
<snip>
Some candidates sound tougher on terror than Rudy Giuliani - take Ohio candidate Jonathon "The Impaler" Sharkey, for instance, whose platform advocates
impaling terrorists.

More:
http://www.eagletribune.com/punewsnh/local_story_189093832?keyword=secondarystory

Damn you all and your Impaler-bashing!

I hate DU!

HATE YOU!!!!!

BwWwwwasaAAAaaaahhh!!!

You people are bastard people!

(Yes, I'm kidding)

[bluestateguy]

21. Then why hasn't "SaveElmer" been banned?

What rubbish. There are plenty of Hillary supporters here. In fact she came in fourth in the most recent poll we did.

[SaveElmer]

33. Good point!!!...nt

[SaveOurDemocracy]

23. 'Demo Underground'??

I've never seen any regular posters use that. :shrug:

[yardwork]

24. One sees these types of posts on other forums fairly often.

I think that they are usually just instigators. I don't believe a word of the post. It's designed to make DU look bad and spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Gee, who does that remind us of? KKKarl Rove!

[AndyA]

25. Is this really true? Do the rest of you really believe there are a lot of Dems

who would rather lose than let Hillary win?

I mean, that seems very off to me. I think most Dems understand what is at stake. I will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is, because at that point it doesn't matter. To even allow the possibility of a Republican in the White House in 2008 is inconceivable to me.

I would be very surprised to learn that a lot of Dems would rather have a Republican in the White House in 2008 over Hillary Clinton.

Thoughts? :shrug:

[karlrschneider]

37. I'm not nuts over Hillary but would have no reservations voting for her if she gets the nom.

Same goes for the whole bunch of them...and of course Al Gore too. Any one of them would be a 10000% improvement over the asshat squatting in the WH now.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

26. Why do the numbers...

"44" pop into my head? Hmm.

[wakeme2008]

27. I stopped going to Bartcop because he is JUST Hillary

:shrug:

[librechik]

29. DU Banned somebody for supporting Hillary?

better ban themselves then, or get rid of several avatar images.

[LSK]

30. theres only 2 candidates running? I didnt know that!

[Name removed]

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[DemBones DemBones]

34. Anyone could write to BartCop and claim, falsely, to have been banned

from DU "for supporting Hillary," and Bart would buy it because he is so in love with Hillary.

Bart rants about "pink tutu" Dems but never puts Hillary in a pink tutu when in fact she has been an enabler and a wuss many times.

Hillary's negatives are high, too, so having a "posse" may not help her. (and why the hell does this guy say she has a "posse"? He can't spell "entourage" or what?)


I'm a Proud Member of Far Leftists Against Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Hmmm

I'd vote for any Democrat over a Republican...


That being said....



"Hillary has the posse, too, all the people from Bill's administration and I'm sure many
close advisors that she has been gathering for years. Who is in Obamas posse? "


What strange sentiments?

[napi21]

36. Well, if there are any moderates or Pubs who read Bartcop,

THAT little gem just gave a boost to Hillary! After all, we ARE considered the extreme LEFT WING of the Party, aren't we? If we all hate her, she must be OK to the rest of the country!

[MODemocrat]

38. I've never been censored or banned for being Pro-Hillary

Something else must have happened.I really feel bad for the man. This is a pretty open forum, and we all like different democratic candidates, which is normal and healthy. I favor Hillary, but will vote for whomever the Democratic Presidential candidate happens to be.

[marmar]

40. Perhaps he would like some cheese with that whine?

If being pro-Hillary got you banned, there would be about 10 posts a day in GD Politics.

[Forkboy]

42. How come banned people never just admit that they were dicks?

[AnExtremist]

46. If they were banned for being dicks: why are there still plenty of people on DU...

Who have 1000+ post counts who get like 40 messages deleted in a single topic while spewing cusses and personal attacks, who aren't banned? I mean not to say I disagree with you, I just wonder why plenty of vile people themselves don't join the bedrock.

[Forkboy]

48. Maybe because they were super extra big dicks.

[SteveM]

58. Wanna see references to big dicks? Go to the Gungeon!

[Forkboy]

60. I'd rather smear my balls with fish paste and dangle them in a tank of piranhas.

:)

[Behind the Aegis]

43. Somehow, I doubt that very much.

Being "pro-Hillary" has never been a "bannable" offense.

[chaska]

44. In a capitalist country money is the bottom line issue. Always....

If you stand with the moneyed, you are a Republican.

Hillary stands with the moneyed.

Hillary is a Repubilcan, a socially liberal Republican.

I will no longer vote for this type of Republican (or any other).

[Liberal In Texas]

50. I would rather someone else get the nom., but if Clinton is nominated, I'll support her 100%.

I won't speak for everyone here, but I'll bet the overwhelming majority think the same way.

[MilesColtrane]

51. "I was a member of Democratic Underground and was banned because I was pro-Hillary."

"I was a teen age werewolf"

"I can't get a date because Catherine the Great has been spreading rumors about me."

"I can't get really fresh avocados because Kroger's is run by Satan worshipers."


Screaming Insanity.....it's not just for breakfast anymore.

[Forkboy]

54. To be fair,the bit about Kroger's is correct.

:evilgrin:

[MilesColtrane]

65. Was it their flyer advertising...

...99¢ White Seedless Grapes during the 'Annual Memorial Day Sale and Soul Harvest' that tipped you off?

[Forkboy]

66. LMAO

I think that was it. :rofl:

[AntiFascist]

55. Smells like propaganda....

If anything, DUers would get banned for supporting Green Party, non-Dem candidates.

[pitohui]

56. saw it, who was this? EOM

.

[tammywammy]

62. mmmm, not believing this

There are plenty of strident Hillary supporters. Just check out GD:P. There would be a lot more tombstones coming down, if they were banning all Hillary supporters. :eyes: