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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:34 PM Original message |
Can the AIR CAR Save the world? |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. This and the nano tech battery are some intriguing advances |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Altairnano is very definitely worth keeping an eye on |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Tee Hee. It's so cute. It looks like a bug. |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. "If everything is energy then let’s look elsewhere, everywhere." |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. The Air Car cannot save the world. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. We do use tubes to power our internets |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. why is it needed? Toyota is about to sell plug-in hybrids |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 03:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
65. because a plug in still needs fossile fuel |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. I saws that on Future Cars! Great Idea Now imagine instead of funding Illegal wars we funded the |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. Alternate fuels and energy |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The brilliant thing about this is it is easy to recharge the tanks over and over again unlike |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Um, regular lead/acid batteries don't have the memory effect. Only Ni-Cd ones do. |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Yes but they need more space, mass, for equivalent charge of a higher tech light weight battery |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh, I think the Tesla is a cool car no doubt...I think I read it uses Ni-MH batteries |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Lithium-ion batteries, over six thousand of them |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Well, that's a really bad idea then. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Here is Tesla's paper on the battery system |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Heh...no memory needed, just some disk space! I did skim the piece, interesting. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. It looks to me to have been designed with an over-abundance of protection |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Haha...nice bike. I have one too for short trips to the nearby store |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Lithium-Ion Batteries are 4.2 Volts Each Fully-charged |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. You're right. I was thinking about Nickel Hydride cells. |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Lead acid batteries and efficiency |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Well, a car battery from WalMart is about 80% efficient. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Not sure what a "super capacitor" is but if they work in the usual way, there are some problems |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Re: regular capacitors |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Well, the Wiki article doesn't have much testable data (as mentioned at the top) |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Re: inductance in the circuit |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Well, it sounds like you're describing the behavior of half-wave rectified AC |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Sounds like an attempt at a bridge circuit, but not quite? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Could be since a bridge is a full-wave rectifier that needs less filtering. |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Re: Equations |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Well it's not 'half'. And you're basically describing, as I'm seeing it, a voltage multiplier |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Re: AC and DC confused |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Looks like they are being used primarily for regen-braking for now |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Use a Current Regulator With That |
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JacquesMolay (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. Only the rail car can save what's left of it. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
52. The thing is, it wouldn't really be that difficult. Most of the hard problems are already solved. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I Suspect We Could Have Had State-of-the-Art Rail Nationwide for What We Have Been Wasting In Iraq |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. For half a trillion dollars? (by 'conservative estimates)? Yeah, I sure think so! |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. We're Not. The Regime Is |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 05:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. May I further suggest car ferries on rail. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
53. Are The Tracks Still There? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. See my post # 52 |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. Another ridiculous red hearing |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So is hydrogen out of the question too, doc? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Hydrogen is absolutely a pollution-free and abundant fuel! BUT |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Thanks. I have been web-searching a lot recently... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I never heard of a "Joe Cell" until I read your post but I did a quick google and found |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. That's the site...sounds like alchemy to me...want to make some gold? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. ARRGH...I couldn't go past the front page on that one. |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I know..I just googled and found it and pasted it in there for laughs... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. It is indeed and that one was good for a cackle. Thanks! |
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eggman67 (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #49 |
71. For some really whacked out pseudoscience go to |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. It's "herring" smart guy! |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. See post #23. And welcome to DU |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. They're actually COMPLETELY dependent on fossil fuel to run |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. But don't you know the laws of thermodynamics make evolution impossible? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. now THATS a red herring!!! |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Speaking of which, just where the hell did that expression come from anyway??? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. when in doubt, wikipedia |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. Oddly, that actually triggered a long-lost memory in my tired old brain! |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
56. What if the energy to compress the air comes from nuclear power? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Here's one way to look at this scenario: It takes about 7 or 8 horsepower |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Cars running on water/air...are not far off |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. These guys at MDI have designed... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Yeah, yeah...it's another 100 MPG carburetor scam. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-25-07 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
35. Excellent post! |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
63. have they started making them yet? saw this a few years ago |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
64. kick |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
70. What runs the compressor? |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-26-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. Air is NOT the power source. Compression is only a means of energy storage. |
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