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I agree wholeheartedly, I've been very angry at the lack of impeachment and the lack of what seems to be the most important issues at hand. At the same time, I've been learning more and more lately blind anger can sometimes make you forget about the ability to handle something properly, too. There are, admittedly, a lot of cynical people who really don't want to do more than quell passionate emotions just for the sake of it. Though, I couldn't call everyone who isn't in immediate passionate support against an idea.
What I'd really like to see is the people saying that impeachment and passion are not feasible, point out some alternatives. We know the reasons why they are not for impeachment, IE no votes, bad press, etc.
Sometimes when you spray a wasp's nest, you get stung. But...one shouldn't avoid a nest entirely. We want the wasps who have made the white house their home to leave, so if spraying the nest isn't a good alternative, what is? Smoke them out perhaps? What would the 'smoke' be, if impeachment is a can of raid?
I don't think (unless they're not a good intentioned member) people post at democraticunderground because they want to see the constitution destroyed and their country become waste. The attacking pro impeachment/anti impeachment thing is almost to the degree of mccarthyism. I come here and I see oodles of intelligent posters, what I really want to see is the best points either side can make for their views. I've already seen some great pro impeachment stances, but I think if there were more to the 'not impeaching right now' crowd (I don't think anyone here is really against impeachment to be fair), a lot more sense could be made of these arguments and rather than flame fests we could see some great ideas worthy of sending our officials.
On the same note about officials; I don't see them as not caring. I see them kind of like encrypted computers. You need to type the right code to them, with all the right lower case and capital letters. The code may be 'impeach bush', but maybe what we're missing (analogy wise) is the 'ImPEach BUSh' part of it. We need to, in every detail, make the case seen in a way our congress critters can really latch onto it.
I don't think the 'impeach now' folks are cursed by the microwave generation ideology more than they're cursed with a looming sense of dread, like one witnessing a fire sees. I don't think the 'don't impeach now' crowd are really ignoring the fire, just waiting for the firefighters to show up. To get the fire fighters to this scene, we need to call the right numbers. If the numbers we call just aren't working now, shouldn't we work together to find the right one, rather than argue over who's number is more valid and, while both numbers are part of the right one, neither thus far have worked?
I know my low post count generally makes others weary, especially since I was involved in some less than par posts originally. I hope that it becomes a valid point though to those who read it. Arguing is fine...but this is like monsters are due on maple street. Such and Such and So and So aren't the ones who will make impeachment valid/invalid. The people in congress are. The house of representatives listens to the people of the united states, so we the people need to find a way to get them to understand. Compromise...give and take. A lot of people here send letters to their officials, and other officials. If we could outline the case to them in such a way that it would be universally accepted, I think we have a plan capable of winning against the thugs in congress. Then and only then, when we've covered all angles and we've seen that even the best, most thought out and agreed upon plan is NOT accepted, should I think all this anti dem/anti congress/anti whatever threads should be hammered and pounded in like a chef tenderizing a steak.
I mean...in all fairness, arnold schwarzenegger was voted into office. I doubt he's much more enlightened than many of us normal people. We shouldn't just assume that a congress official has the knowledge of god on their side....so we should, if we're not seeing the results we want, work on plans to assist their judgment, ones they really can sink their teeth into and say 'america's got it, now I can represent this.'
I think both sides, the not impeach now and the impeach now folks, have it right in a way. If we can merge the best of both sides, the logic and pragmatic views they say they have, and the passion to make a swift change, I think we have a beast that can conquer the food chain ;)
just my 2 cents anyway.
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