Hillary Clinton: "what’s ever happened to the politics of hope?"

[Perky]

Edited: On reflection that it more important focus on her experience and ineptitude then on her political codepencies. However, I stand by my assertion that she is far to dependent on he husband coatails to stand on her own to feet.

Clinton aide Phil Singer e-mails out a passage from a taped interview with CNN, in which she responds to Obama referring to her (indirectly) as "Bush-Cheney Lite."

SEN. CLINTON: “Well, this is getting kind of silly. I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but I’ve never been called George Bush or Dick Cheney, certainly. We have to ask, what’s ever happened to the politics of hope?

“I have been saying consistently for a number of years now, we have to end the Bush era of ignoring problems, ignoring enemies and adversaries. And I have been absolutely clear that we’ve got to return to robust and effective diplomacy. But I don’t want to see the power and prestige of the United States president put at risk by rushing into meetings with the likes of Chavez and Castro and Ahmadinejad.”



oh boo hoo. Try spinning yourself out of voting for war rather than diplomacy. Obama was right to counter punch the two times he did and now he will counterpunchg a third time for this sniveling spin....because it was not what he said....not even close.

You try to go toe-to toe with Barack you will lose....More Gravitas and a far greater grasp of relaity.


Ok I am done now. For the second time.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. "Mrs. Bill Clinton"

:wtf:

[ElizabethDC]

2. Yep, I had the same reaction. n/t

[Perky]

5. She only draws crowds when he is there

He does all her big Donod fundraising
He is the one bullying local pols to stay uncommitted rathaer than other candidates.

His personality is keeping her in this campaign.

[MonkeyFunk]

nonsense

[Perky]

12. Go look at the crowds in Iowa

She drawsr 100 people consistantly and Obama draws 2,000 consistently
Bill shows up and they jointly draw 2,000

How the hell is that going to look when we get to the Fall Campaign? Bill Clinto at her side at every stop?

[ElizabethDC]

17. Hillary's had tons of events in Iowa with more than 100 people

although I do know for a fact that they try to keep her crowds smaller, more low-key events so that people can get to know her.

[Perky]

23. You are being spun like a two- dollar top

look at her polling numberes in Iowa.

[ElizabethDC]

24. Why do you keep changing the subject?

is it because I keep pointing out your inaccuracies?

As for the polling "numberes" as you call them, Hillary is doing pretty well, and has been trending upward in Iowa recently and certainly better than Obama, whose numbers are trending downward (here's a link with some visuals that might help you out: http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php)

[Perky]

44. Looks to me like her number has not moved in any clear direction in a year

Obama's numbers were bound to come down because of the Hype, which while extraordinary , given thatis Iowa is still hype.


And I was specificallry referring to fund raising evenets and campaign swings in early primary states not inside the Beltway grip and grins over rubber chickem

[ElizabethDC]

45. No "Rubber chickem?"

You were "specificallry" referring to "evenets" outside of DC? Ok then, I'm glad we've cleared that up! :rofl:

[Perky]

51. that the best you got?

cticicing that I type inaccurately and sometime forget spellcheck....

[ElizabethDC]

55. No, it's not the best I've got

but why should I bother giving you my best if you just change the subject every time I bring some facts?

[ElizabethDC]

8. She's drawn crowds when he wasn't there, too

and she does plenty of the big fundraisers on her own, too, so at least get your facts straight.

[Perky]

18. She does not draw big crowds anywhere

Anfd you go and check it out.... Bill is alwsy at her side at Fundraising Dinners. WHich is pefectly fine.. but he is the one in the room twsiting arms. and reaching for wallets.

[ElizabethDC]

22. That's completely and utterly untrue and proves you don't know what you're talking about

for example, a few weeks ago Hillary (WITHOUT BILL) drew a crowd of over 8,000 at a fundraiser in DC.

And Bill is most certainly not always at her side at fundraising dinners - I know because I receive invitations to many of these fundraisers, and most of them do not include him!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

25. It makes the poster feel

good by saying just 10 people showed up. Don't spoil it for him/her.

[Katherine Brengle]

29. Same thought - WTF?

[tandot]

3. "Mrs Bill Clinton" ???

BS

[depakid]

4. Oh that's REALLY rich.

I have news, Senator Clinton- they were drowned out by hate radio and TV due to the last "Democratic" administration's media deregulation and deform.

[cynatnite]

6. So, now Bill Clinton is eeeevvvvvviiiiiillllllll

:sarcasm:

Flat out Hillary hating without a shred of fact. :puke:

[mondo joe]

34. There are days on DU that I think we are better off not winning anything.

It brings out the worst in some.

[bobbolink]

7. Hope died when your husband cut welfare.

What are you going to cut, Mrs. Clinton?

[mdmc]

9. Hope has to work a third shift due to welfare reform and outsourcing

:kick:

[BOSSHOG]

10. Wow

Using an incredible asset like Bill Clinton to raise money. What an incredible stupid thing to do. Toe-to-toe with Obama or anyone? I'm not sold on any of the candidates (to cast a vote right now) but Hillary can go toe to toe with anyone.

I pledge my wholehearted support and paltry financial offerings to whomever the dems nominate.

[Perky]

13. As will I But I pity this Party if we nominate herr

[BOSSHOG]

20. My primary vote is irrelevant (Mississippi)

but I am very proud of the democrats running for president and consider any of them quantum leaps better then any of the trash the republicans are hoping to force upon us. And I also look at it as a team effort. bush brought his team of criminals to Washington, the Dem nominee will bring a team of professionals to Washington with the countries future as their number one priority. None of us will get our ideal candidate (or ideal team players) but when the choice is (D) or (R), there is no contest.

The only thing I would push on our nominee is to appoint General Clark as SECSTATE. Who better to clean up kindasleezys incredible mess. I really have no idea why bush has a state department.

[dsc]

11. I have my doubts that had Elizabeth Dole won the presidency

that Senator Dole would be referred to as Mr. Elizabeth Dole. Your post is sexist.

[Perky]

14. No it is isn't it is meant to suggest how week this

particular woman is on here own. It is not sesit unless it referse to the the sex as a whole.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Hope died and was buried in the war you voted for. NT

[ruiner4u]

16. it died with the possibility of 20+ years of two familes holding power.

[Perky]

35. 24 or 28 if she wins.

can the nect Generation behind/

Jenna vs. Chelesea in 2016?

[KaptBunnyPants]

19. The likes of Chavez.

Well fuck you too Clinton.

[sandnsea]

21. When Clintons had the same hope for WMD intelligence

as the Bushies did.

"The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration
to the Bush administration," she said. "It was the same
intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the
world shared."


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary

[madmom]

26. Gee I must have made a typo I thought I was at DU not the other hate site

I haven't decided one a candidate yet but I sure as hell won't be bashing dems there's enough shit out there from the other side we don't need to help.Constructive criticism ok but this is :shrug:

[Perky]

30. Hillary's continued insinution that Obama Does not have the

the experience or gravitas is incidious, incendiary, incredulous and insincere.

She went on the offensive against Obama in Primetime....and now she is harping on a point he never made. She chose war in Iraq, she said two weeks ago that talking to our adversaries was a good Idea.... Now she is going after Obama as if he started the round of garbage tossing.


No candidate is beyond criticism. Patricularly when they want ti both ways.

[madmom]

37. there is a difference between criticism and bashing..n/t

[Perky]

39. I have modified the OP

but I do not believe it was basking to underscore how she generates her support and how lust a campaign she is running in Iowa without Hubby by her side.

[madmom]

47. so what's wrong with that? They all do it, do you think having big

name concerts and such to raise money is wrong? People come to hear the band or speaker or whatever,use what ya got as long as it's not illegal.

[Perky]

52. But shouldn't she be the headline act?

I am quite concerned that Bill will bee seen as necessary for her poliitcal viability in the Fall Sprint.

He will become a liability in the media and an asset for the GOP.

[madmom]

56. I really don't see the problem here, Bill Clinton is still very popular

not matter what the repukes tell you Bill Clinton is far more favorable to have at your side than any other politician I can think off except maybe Al Gore.I don't see how he will be a liability, oh that's right he had a blow job I forgot!

[Perky]

63. It is bad news when he is so much more popular than him

Does it mean that we are going to get another two-fer?

It just sets up the obviouus GOP attack ads when they are on stage together post-convention. And however wrong it may be.......the ads will work.....I don't think the campaign has really thought that through....but I also do not think she can energize big rallies without him on stage.



Bookmark this post. and you will see that this prediction will be true in a year's time iof she is the nominee

My point is Hillary has to seperate herself more completely from Bill in order to be taken seriously....by opinion makers


It is a trap she is in and the party is in and the only way to avoid it is to either make sure she does not win the nod.....or she figures out a way to not be dependant upon him now.

[madmom]

66. Do you really think presidents and other politicians don't have

advisers? Bill Clinton would make an excellent adviser he's been there done that and believe it or not people still do respect him everywhere except in the repuke camps.

[Perky]

67. Of couse he would

It is the image of hom on stage with Hillary.....and the ads that will follow......"Who is going to sit in the Oval him or her......Haven't we had enough of them?"

Mypoint is that she really neds to individuate herself now and I see nothing like that either tactically or strategically happening.

[madmom]

68. I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one because I

don't see it as a problem, I see it more as an asset.:shrug:

[Perky]

69. Oh I agree he would be a huge asset...but

I don't think it is something you want to accentuate in a fall election...because it solidifies and enrages the right wing

[Warren DeMontague]

27. We certainly can't meet with the likes of them until we have a solid flag burning law on the books,

and we've taken all the smut out of video games!

:eyes:

What happened to the politics of hope? Oh, I dunno. Some DLC clusterfucks decided to replace it with the politics of "pandering", and figured out that the best way to defeat a widely despised GOP would be to ape them, their positions, and their cheesy "values voter" bullshit as much as humanly possible.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

28. "I hope"

hillary quits polling every question and starts answering with words of her own.

[Hamlette]

31. the first person to say "this has gotten silly" lost. Obama 1 Hillary 0 n/t

[mondo joe]

32. Nasty sexist post. Why don't you just stop it?

[Perky]

36. I t is not sexist.

It is an adhominem attack on one individual By definition, sesist comment have to attack the entrie sex.

[mondo joe]

40. It's sexist to refer to her as "Mrs Husband's Name" since that is not how she

self identifies.

And you do attack the entire sex by doing so.

[Perky]

41. It a specfic comment on her abilility to stand on her own two feet

politically...l At an rate,,, the comment detracts from the intent of the post so I have modifeis the OP

[ElizabethDC]

46. Well, you didn't make that very clear at the time, did you? n/t

[Perky]

62. I thought I made it abudabntly clear

and still feel it ture However I revised the OP becuse I though it was inappropriate for the substance otwhy I roginally posted about he insidious crack about Obama's comments about her little insipid response to a very thought out response.

[KaptBunnyPants]

54. Why doesn't she stop recycling her husbands slogans?

If she wants to be her own candidate, why trot out Bill constantly? She can't run a "Vote Hill, get Bill" campaign and expect people not to criticize her for it.

[mondo joe]

57. Are you going to complainabout "Mr. Elizabeth Edwards" because John Edwards has

an active partner?

[KaptBunnyPants]

58. Mr. Elizabeth Edwards is a compliment.

I'm surprised you don't feel the same way about Ms. Bill Clinton.

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[KaptBunnyPants]

60. Ouch, that must have hurt for you to go personal like that.

Well, I guess that's it for this exchange. The reason why it's a compliment, by the way, is due to association. See, if Bill Clinton is good, being called Mrs. Bill Clinton is a compliment. This is why I would take no offense for someone calling Edwards Mr. Elizabeth Edwards. I thought that didn't need an explanation, but I guess it did. You seem to feel that being associated with Bill is derogatory, which seems strange for a Hillary supporter. Good luck out there, my angry fellow.

[mondo joe]

61. No. Calling someone by a name other than the one they choose is disrespectful.

Got it?

[Forkboy]

33. Like I said elsewhere,she shouldn't knock it until she's tried it.

The only hope she can inspire in me is the hope she doesn't win.

[Deja Q]

38. Ask the H1Bs.

:hide:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. Can we just have Bill Clinton back, period?

I want to remember when this country wasn't as fucked up.

[SoCalDem]

43. Hope is a highly overrated commodity.

Hope is ..

when a 14 yr old girl stares at the phone that doesn't ring

what you do when you cruise a mall parking lot during Christmas week...when you crusie the FIRST row of parking

what you have when you send your firstborn to his/her first day of school..hope that they make friends and like school

what you have when you plant a garden.. hope that the bugs don't find your crop, before YOU do..

how you feel as you watch the wheels on the slot machine turning... 7-7-7..a-hope-a-hope-a-hope


Hope is not what I want in an elected official. I expect planning, intellect, skill & curiosity ..not hope and wishes.

[dorkulon]

48. Hear hear.

How about some politics of cautious consideration? Unabashed optimism gets us into idiotic situations like Iraq.

[cynatnite]

50. Well said! n/t

[illinoisprogressive]

49. she shouldn't have made the mistake in going after him. Obama said he would hit back.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

53. Whatever happened to saying NO to war???

You made your bed, Hil. Now go sleep in it- if you can.

[JVS]

65. but she was a mere 4 years from a re-election campaign in NY, it was far too risky to say no

had to be expedient after all

[JVS]

64. it was paved over for the 3rd way expressway

[ProgressiveAmPatriot]

70. What is silly is Clinton's spin

After the debate Obama's campaign essentially said Clinton more or less said the same thing as Obama. This is, after all, what makes this whole thing silly. And then Clinton goes off and distances herself from Obama's talk to anyone policy by calling him naive and irresponsible. The difference is not in the answers so much as it is the comments to follow. Naive and irresponsible coming from someone who voted for the Iraq War is pretty rich.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

71. to, too, two

arggg :banghead: