How does Tony Snow make peace with himself..

[Virginia Dare]

if I was told I was a dead man walking I would want to clear my conscience. Instead, he spends what are likely his final days lying and covering up for criminal and treasonous acts. Sad.

[zabet]

1. If I was Snow...and sick as a dog,

this is what I would tell Bushco...

[Digit]

23. For one thing, he looks horrible

There is a right and wrong...nevermind his family being taken care of for covering up.

In my final days, I would rather do what I know is right and make peace.

[youthere]

29. LOL!...Gotta'love Cartman!

[Mist]

2. Perhaps, like Lee Atwater, he'll have to be in his last days before he repents. I'd be

surprised if he makes it to Christmas. I was shocked at how bad he looked on TV the other day, after not seeing him for a while.

[Ilsa]

9. If he makes it to December, he'll probably wait for after the holidays

to die. Sometimes people are able to hang on until after family holidays and birthdays. Every time I see him, he looks significantly worse.

[Solly Mack]

3. He doesn't think he's doing anything wrong

so he has no reason to make peace with himself

[rockymountaindem]

4. Because I'm trying to tell you... these conservatives believe 100% in their message

He doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. And when these neocons do something wrong, they believe the ends justify the means. They don't care about whatever ethical plain we're in, they do this because they have *no* doubt in the validity of their goals or methods. While the rest of us might once in awhile second-guess ourselves, they don't.

Dean didn't call this admin. "conservatives without consience" for nothing.

[Drum]

6. Funny though, that for a lot of folks that lip-synch a view that there's a heaven,

most of 'em act like their lifespan is the high point of the world's existence...nothing came before and nothing will matter after.

It would really behoove them to behave as if the afterlife they preach about had some meaning. Or is that their ultimate hypocracy?

:shrug:

[SoCalDem]

5. he doesn't. At this point he's securing his family's future.

No doubt , he knows that he will not be there for much longer, so he's staying loyal to the ones who will no doubt see to it that his family is "taken care of"..

For him to have a public epiphany now, would be financial suicide for his family.

he's gone along this far, so why not finish the ride.?

[Virginia Dare]

30. I've thought about that too..

but on the other hand, he could write a tell-all book, and make millions from it for the security of his family's future, and die with a clear conscience. But maybe he's afraid of his family being blackballed or worse..this is the Bushco mafia family we're talking about.

[Zensea]

7. It's really none of our damn business

That probably sounds a bit harsh, eh?
Well, what's involved with a man and his conscience is his business not the business of some random stranger.
How would you like it if someone you don't know at all was interrogating you about how you make peace with yourself regarding some transgression.
You'd probably tell them to f--k off.

It's perfectly fine to judge a man's actions, particularly as they impact on you, but the question of how he makes peace with himself is another matter.

[NJCher]

10. unfortunately

that does not apply when on the public payroll.

Tony Snow is not an employee of the RNC, though he certainly acts like one.

Your tax dollars and mine are paying for his salary and it is a tenet of our government that there be transparency in government. Mr. Snow is not working under that assumption.



Cher

[Zensea]

11. Of course it applies

I already covered that in my previous post -- knowing someone would make the exact comment you've just made.
Judge someone's actions when they are on the public payroll (as well as when they are not) but what is between a man and his conscience is private no matter what.
I don't want anyone mucking around inside my head and I give the same respect to others.

[marions ghost]

17. Beg to differ--when a regime as criminal as this one

uses a lying obfuscating mouthpiece like Tony Snow to spread their message, it's totally reasonable to speculate on what makes that toady tick.

In fact it's necessary --to learn how to recognize these twisted heads, and so I say-- psychoanalyze them in SELF-defense. It's a very logical question--how can he make peace with himself when he is so obviously on the road to oblivion? The guy is not well and sometimes people are known to have epiphanies & repent in their latter days. But the catch is, you have to admit you're in need of repentance. Many who lived a lifetime of delusion will die exactly as they lived. They lost a rudder long ago.

The mental state of our leaders and their lackeys is very much our business. There's no 'live and let live' when you're dealing with oppressors who want to grind you into the dirt. That should be a big lesson from the reign of Bushco. They've used our passive indifference to their great advantage.

[Zensea]

18. In that sense, a reluctant yes

that is psychoanalyzing them in self-defense or in order to understand the human condition.

I was getting a very voyeuristic sense from the original question, however -- as if it was a form of gossip.
Perhaps I just misunderstood the intent.

Even so, all you're really seeing with Snow is an image on a screen and I'm skeptical that any significant psychoanalyzing of the man can be done through a mediation in which he presents a public face.

I'll think about this some more though.

[marions ghost]

21. OK makes sense

that you don't get into gossip and so might cringe at the question "how does he make peace with himself?" as being a bit invasive. But how invasive are the ways the people in this government have compromised OUR privacy? We should cut them some slack?

As for voyeurism, I'd have to argue that we are all in the position of voyeurs these days. We can have no actual contact with these people who control our lives so much, except through screens & printed matter. So we have to read their public persona as best we can. Knowing what we do about the machinations of this govt it is rather amazing to watch someone who can deflect, lie, cover up, and defend his diabolical master like a true mafioso, week after week after week.

It starts to have the fascination of the grotesque. HOW did these people become like this? These are not the transgressions of the average person. Tony Snow represents people who can destroy lives with a signature and drive a nation into a ditch without losing much sleep. We should not shy away from analyzing their every twitch and stutter.

Right, it's a window into a delusional personality type. That's Snow's only possible gift to humanity.

[NJCher]

22. methods of detecting liars

Even so, all you're really seeing with Snow is an image on a screen and I'm skeptical that any significant psychoanalyzing of the man can be done through a mediation in which he presents a public face.


You must not know much about body language or nonverbal communication, then. Micro-expressions. These are just a few ways of reading Tony Snow and the liars he represents.

There are other methods of linguistic analysis that detect lies. Criminal detectives look at statements and have them analyzed for lies. There are patterns and there are obfuscations that give liars away.

In the studies of leakers and non-leakers, though, it is certainly true that people in some occupations can lie with impunity and not reveal it. One of those occupations is "politician," while another is "lawyer."

Regardless, there are many ways to uncover liars. There is a whole profession built around this.



Cher

[Zensea]

27. I probably should have mentioned this

I haven't owned a television in over a decade and in the past 30 years (from the time I was 20) I've lived in a house that had a television for maybe a total of 10 years.
So I have a particular take on the limitations of getting anything from television images.
For me the foundation of television is that it is (at least in its American manifestation)primarily a propaganda and brainwashing tool. Thus my skepticism about really being able to discover anything particularly deep or significant about the psychology of the talking heads from examining them on television.

I know stuff about body language and nonverbal communication but that's a different subject. Body language and non-verbal communication can tell you that someone is lying but not why they are lying or what their deeper motivations are -- which is the reasoning given previously.

[Virginia Dare]

31. I'm not sure if voyeurism was the motivation for the OP...

I just got through watching and listening to a very clearly sick man, a spokesman for the President, tell bold face lies to the American people and it angered me. He does this on a daily basis. People are dying by the day as a result of all of these lies. As I said, personally, I don't think I could do that, and it made me wonder how he can.

[Gato Moteado]

8. his final days?????

is he about to croak in a few days?

[A wise Man]

12. Remember him saying

"I LIKE THIS JOB"! A liar from Fox News makes him a professional liar and obfuscater.

[Atman]

13. He'll expire knowing The Family will take care of his family

Except that The Family actually has no moral compass at all, and once Tony dies they'll forget he even existed. His survivors will do just fine with Tony's SS check and govt pension. "Fuck 'em, he's dead" George will say.

.

[Gman]

14. Baghdad Tony does his job as the supreme ruler demands

He does it without thinking and without reservation. Millions of people with torches and ax handles could be at the gates of the WH and beating them down, but Baghdad Tony would just dismiss them as crazed liberals.

[cynatnite]

15. anyone can make peace with themselves n/t

[johnfunk]

16. Pony Blow knows he's nothing more than the modern Ron Ziegler

He was brought in as a media-savvy propagandist. My sources tell me that they refer to the refurbished W House press room not as the James Brady room but the Orwell Office...

[BearSquirrel2]

19. He's brilliant ..

I think he's the most skilled and remorseless liar I've ever seen. He's brilliant in his own sick kind of way.

[orleans]

20. he's a total asshole. he doesn't have a conscience. n/t

[Disturbed]

24. He must believe in "The ends justify the means."

He knows damn well that most of what he spouts are lies but feels that the Regime is correct in it's goals. He might be a true Repug believer. LIke Olie North still believes that he did the right things by violating the Constitution. if he even believes that he did so. Rationalization is a strong concept.

[go west young man]

25. He's probably under the impression that he will be "raptured" extra well

for his loyal service to Bush and company.

[KitchenWitch]

26. I think he doesn't and that is what is eating him alive

We are watching a man die - being consumed from within by his own errors.

[truebrit71]

28. Who cares. He made his choice, he has to deal with it.

I have no sympathy with folks that sell their souls...

Fuck him..