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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:09 PM
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New Details-Tillman's Death-No Evidence Of Enemy Fire-Attorneys Congratulate Each Other For Lying
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 07:12 PM by kpete
AP: New details on Tillman's death By MARTHA MENDOZA, AP National Writer
5 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

Among other information contained in the documents:

• In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop "sniveling."

• Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.

• The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions.

• No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.


more at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_re_us/tillman_friendly_fire
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:11 PM
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1. Tillman was murdered, and his superiors know it. recommended
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:29 PM
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8. God. I just saw this on KO. There is no other way to paint this.
He was murdered. Oh. My. God.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:14 PM
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2. Rock bottom......
:argh:
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:18 PM
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3. Throw the bastard(s) that killed Tillman to Michael Vick's dogs...
Sounds just to me
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:19 PM
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4. So,
fearless leader is now covering up a murder. This is pretty hard to believe. Well, maybe not.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:22 PM
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5. Unadulterated evil.
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 07:22 PM by Rex
Getting out of the Army was the best decision I ever made.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:23 PM
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6. #5 rec!
They murdered a man portrayed as an American Hero and Patriot
to create a martyr for their war of lies.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 04:29 AM
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22. I wouldn't go that far
and say "they murdered him" so they could turn him into a photo-op prop

it's more like taking advantage of a star's death to use as a photo-op prop

Frankly, I don't follow football at all, so when Tillman's death was announced - it was the first time I heard the name.

the whole "gave up a football career and was killed by the enemy" hero stuff didn't set well with me. to me it was exploitation for political purposes

It reminds me of a M*A*S*H espisode where a general dies in bed, and his aide tosses his body into a jeep, calls for a artillary barrage, drives to the battle field so the general "looks" like he died in battle..

wouldn't doubt it if this is where they got the idea
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:27 PM
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7. Support the troops, they say
While they are murdered inside the lines, get sent out without adequate protective gear, get denied PSTD status and have their retirement and general pay stripped, and get sent out on longer tours with less downtime and more happy returns.

Why do we allow the GOP to control the message where the troops are involved??? :argh:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:30 PM
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9. Those lawyers should be disbarred.
Lying is one of those ethic breaches which is suppose to end a lawyer's career. Instead, it just makes them more desireable by the private sector.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:31 PM
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10. And DUers want me to have sympathy for
enablers like Tony Snow. Fuck all of Bushco. If this were my son, somebody would be paying big time.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:31 PM
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11. I'm in tears. Dear God, what has happened to my country? nt
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:39 PM
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12. K&R, yet another scandal to show what kind of criminals...
we are dealing with in this administration. Didn't a general recently say it was like being in the mafia?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:43 PM
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13. The DOD has claimed Exec Priv. concerning the Tillman Docs.
Do you wonder why that is so?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:16 PM
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14. It's starting to get ridiculous, enough is enough!....

Bush may as well say that since Tillman was a liberal and sided with Democrats, he really was also conspiring with the enemy of the US and we had to have him killed as matter of national security. Because the public would not accept this, we decided to have his death framed in a heroic manner. Perfectly understandable excuse for this administration, isn't it? At least for the people who follow Ann Coulter.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:09 PM
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16. According to what we learned today that executive privilege is moot if this is
turned into a criminal investigation.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 09:23 PM
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15. I'm confused...
Was he murdered because a fellow soldier was pissed off at him? or

Was he murdered so * could have a martyr to help sell the war and/or boost enlistments?

Or is that part unclear?

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:13 AM
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18. *If* he was murdered, it would probably have been
because someone higher up was afraid his stance that the Iraq war is illegal and his apparent atheism and strong liberal leanings would have been too awkward to tolerate (and because there were no small planes nearby for him to get into).
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 03:49 AM
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21. Stan Goff doesn't think it was a planned hit
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/080806_tillman_files7.shtml

Of course it could still be murder. One thing we know for sure is that whatever happened is highly unflattering to the Powers that Be.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:45 PM
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17. Impeach now.
Covering up the murder of a person who many consider to be a national hero is going to create some serious waves if this gets a lot of attention. If Bush assisted in the cover up of a murder as it appears he did then I don't know how anyone could possibly justify letting him stay in office. This is something I think all but the most insane would consider an impeachable offense.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:15 AM
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19. This is the worst thing I've ever known.
I feel sick.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:39 AM
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20. Remember His Name
Remember His Name
By Gary Smith
Sports Illustrated

snip>

The Black Sheep followed the invasion into Baghdad, spent their days pulling perimeter security around the airport and going house to house in search of the Iraqi leaders pictured on the infamous 52 playing cards, and their nights flinching from the pigeon crap raining through the shrapnel-shredded hangar where they slept. Pat was so inclusive, so interested even in the screwiest private, that any pettiness in the platoon began evaporating; the Black Sheep became tight. Trouble was, Russ so treasured his time with Pat that he couldn't bear to share it with some of the knuckleheads gathered around him. He'd wait until they'd fallen asleep or flaked away to their video games and skin magazines, then beeline toward Pat and Kevin. One would glance at the other two and say, Let's have a coffee and -- bingo -- the Baghdad Book Club was in session, three men talking literature and ideas to the far side of midnight, Pat's eyes glittering just as they did during all-night conversations around a fire in the front yard of his childhood home whenever he returned there.

That's how they found themselves atop a bunker south of Baghdad late one night in March 2003, on the eve of the rescue of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, knowing a bloodbath might await them the following night, when they would encircle the hospital in Nasiriyah where she lay wounded. They sat there, perched above their sleeping mates, watching the Marines bombard a town five miles away, drinking in the beauty of a desert sky strobe-lit by the explosion of 155-mm shells.

Russ didn't know yet that Pat had written to his mom, delighting in the serendipity of having found a little brother in his platoon named Baer. "Bear" was what Pat and Kevin had grown up calling their youngest brother, Richard. But Russ felt so much brotherly trust and caring that night in Iraq that he offered to read to Pat and Kevin from his own notebooks, his Latrine Letters. They loved Baer's seething snapshots of life as a Ranger in a savage place.

more>

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/05/tillman0911/

I always thought it an odd coincidence that their paths crossed ...
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