Pat Tillman's possible fragging: Just another wacko, moonbat conspiracy theory n/t

[burythehatchet]

:eyes:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. According to KO, emails from Generals congratulating themselves there wasn't a criminal

investigation.

How to make a poster boy for the war? Whack him.....

:tinfoilhat:

[burythehatchet]

2. what was it, three closely placed bullet holes? OOPS!

[CatWoman]

4. target engaged

and weapon discharged

you don't get a shot pattern like that, especially at such a close range, by mistake.

[burythehatchet]

6. you remember all the high and might "you guys are nuts" types

back then?

[CatWoman]

8. yet I'm not in the mood for gloating

;(

[BlooInBloo]

9. Yup. I *am* however in the mood to see a general demoted.

[IChing]

11. That should be a court-marshall offense with penalities.

Not a demotion

[BlooInBloo]

12. True, but I'll take what I can get.

[IChing]

17. This is why the US military needs to be purged

There are too many 'Argentina' type officers and generals that
have done or justified too many horrendous things. Demotions don't work
they are still in leadership capabilities that direct thousands of men and women.
There are even more officers that are honorable and virtuous but they are not leading.

Boy did I get slammed last time I said that.

[BlooInBloo]

18. I said that a long time ago in my journal. Didn't go over so well....

... People seem to be of the odd opinion the civilians shouldn't criticize the military.

[dflprincess]

29. It is an odd attitude given that the framers of the Constitution had the wisdom

to put the military under civilian control.

[TahitiNut]

20. A demotion is what a court martial does.

For a general officer, that's a big hit - end of career and $900/mo less in retirement pay, for the rest of his life.

[IChing]

22. He still leads men and committed a despicable crime

He loses part of his retirement that we as taxpayers fork out anyway.
Why not all of it?

Boo hoo.

[IChing]

10. Yep, I remember them too

I'm still batting almost 1000 in my so-called conspiracies
that have turned into realities.

I have another one if you want me to PE you.

[burythehatchet]

27. absolutely, curious minds...

[Lerkfish]

35. yep, send me that theory, too, if you don't mind.

my conspiracy theories also (unfortunately) have a high accuracy percentage

[glitch]

38. Send it. It may just match mine (I expect the worst with this lot) nt

[dflprincess]

30. Especially when we speculated about why Tillman's diary was destroyed

n/t

[wicket]

42. The killing shots came from about 30 feet away

NO WAY they couldn't tell who he was :grr: :grr:

[Toots]

44. Got to protect that opium

I think Tilman realized that the only real reason US troops were in Afghanistan was to protect the opium fields and expedite the transportation of the crop..

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. You know, from all the "conspiracy theories" and predictions I've made since 9/11,

and how many of these things I've called, I still can't think of myself as being psychic (although I have a very powerful bullshit/danger meter), but the scenarios we are being presented are so frigging transparent. Why can only 15% see this?

[IChing]

21. Cognitive dissonance

Maybe because of our backgrounds and education we think outside of the box.

[flyarm]

37. WE HAVE THE SAME EYES!!..WE HAVE BOTH BEEN ON TO THIS FROM TH GET GO OMMMMM!!

IT IS SO SAD.. my heart breaks for Pat's family

and the lies have been known by many from the get go..the story never made sense!!

hi ommmmmmmmm..:hug: :cry: :cry: :cry:

fly

[glitch]

39. You don't need to be psychic with this crew. Transparent AND juvenile.

But the pukes think it's genius.

[flyarm]

34. FROM KIETH'S WEB SITE

Documents shed light on Tillman’s death - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

DO READ IT ALL!! ..FLY

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19984732/

WOULD YOU NOT KNOW WHO YOU WERE SHOOTING 10 YARDS AWAY FROM YOU??????????

IN US ARMY UNIFORM??????



New documents shed light on Tillmans death
GIs last words, lawyers congratulatory e-mails made public in testimony
Updated: 2 hours, 9 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillmans forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL players death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described, a doctor who examined Tillmans body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.
The doctors whose names were blacked out said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.



Ultimately, the Pentagon did conduct a criminal investigation, and asked Tillmans comrades whether he was disliked by his men and whether they had any reason to believe he was deliberately killed. The Pentagon eventually ruled that Tillmans death at the hands of his comrades was a friendly-fire accident.



SNIP:

In more than four hours of questioning by the Pentagon inspector generals office in December 2006, Kensinger repeatedly contradicted other officers testimony, and sometimes his own. He said on some 70 occasions that he did not recall something.
At one point, he said: You've got me really scared about my brain right now. Im really having a problem.

Tillmans mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.

[johnfunk]

3. More like how to make a silk purse poster boy from a sow's ear non-battlefield murder

I've said it in other threads: the Army should track down the bastard that killed Tillman and throw him to Michael Vick's pit bulls.

[OwnedByFerrets]

33. It has to be worse than that..........

even though that person or persons pulled the trigger, there were orders. It was suggested tonite that those orders came all the way from the top.
I dont believe we will ever see any big names pay for this crime, but its sure nice to wish.

[sanskritwarrior]

31. JAG officers

Judge Advocate General...........not actual star wearing generals........JAG officers are usually captains and majors.......

Just to clarify.........

[stillcool]

5. His parents must be soul sore..

what a horrible attack on their sensibilities this bullshit must be.

[burythehatchet]

7. unimaginable

[flyarm]

36. MORE CLIPS FROM THE ARTICLE ON kEITHS WEB SITE MUST READ!!

Documents shed light on Tillman’s death - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19984732/



SNIP:

Tillmans mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week.

Nothing is going to bring Pat back. Its about justice for Pat and justice for other soldiers. The nation has been deceived, she said.

Suspicions initially squashed
The documents show that a doctor who autopsied Tillmans body was suspicious of the three gunshot wounds to the forehead. The doctor said he took the unusual step of calling the Armys Human Resources Command and was rebuffed. He then asked an official at the Armys Criminal Investigation Division if the CID would consider opening a criminal case.

He said he talked to his higher headquarters and they had said no, the doctor testified.

[zbdent]

13. You mean like Bush flying Osama bin Laden's family out of the US

while the rest of the "normal" people were stranded because they weren't allowed to get on flights?

That was another "moonbat" conspiracy theory ...

[burythehatchet]

14. How about the London Tube Terrorist who was shot full of holes

turned out to be an electrician.

[YDogg]

15. yeah

fucked up world we live in, these days.

:-(

[Bluebear]

19. Yes, don't mention that, are you crazy? You're making us "look bad"!

:crazy:

[Disturbed]

23. The DOD has claimed Exec Priv. concerning the Tillman Docs.

Will Rep. Waxman will ever get to read those?

I believe that Rumsfailed knew about this Cover Up from the get go. Most likely Busholini & Darth knew, as well. That, of course, will never be proven.

[Robson]

25. SecDef was involved - I would bet on it.

Three star Generals don't make decisions about politically explosive issues such as the cover-up of Tillman's fratricide on their own. It goes up the line through the general line officers, through the JCS and on up to the SecDef and likely to the VP and Pres.

[burythehatchet]

26. Sadly, the one thing they are really good at is leaving fingerprints

ever since the tapes. Bush, Inc. takes it to an unfathomable extreme.

[madrchsod]

24. i thought it was but now i have my doubts

close head shots? sounds pretty dam deliberate to me

[havocmom]

28. Anybody remember the old movie about military PR types trying to get the first causality on D-day?

What was that? James Garner in The Americanization of Emily?

Sometimes the pols/brass need a martyred All-American type to jolt the emotions of the folks back home (and bump up recruitment). Tillman sure looked fine in uniform. Rugged, big, tough, handsome; what most young men would like to be. And he gave up that lucrative pro-sports career to serve his country. What better man to posthumously serve the shills of war? His death would bring about a lot of emotional sentiment to support the nobility of war as a bye-product of supporting the nobility of the fallen warrior. They could get a lot of mileage from his death if they could make people think he died for a cause.

Friendly fire? I won't wear tinfoil for thinking it was a hit for propaganda purposes. No life is safe from being used by the neocons to keep momentum for their lucrative careers... in pro-war.

They used Tillman and they will keep using other decent people in uniform so long as they profit from the deaths. Time to make them pay for their crimes.

[smiley_glad_hands]

32. Cindy should be all over this. eom

[glitch]

40. Kind of obvious, don't you think? You might want to try for more subtlety and a little variation. nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

41. Not trying to hide my disdain for those who unduly attack Democrats. eom

[Breeze54]

45. Wah! *sniff* *sniff*

[smiley_glad_hands]

46. The only one who is crying here is you.

I'm fighting for John Conyers and Nancy Pelosi, Democrats. Go cry a river for CS somewhere else.

[Breeze54]

49. I'm not crying for Ms Sheehan, but I

am laughing at you. ;)

[smiley_glad_hands]

51. Splitting the progressive movement is not funny. eom

[Annces]

43. This seems different than a Vietnam fragging

Not an insubordination, but a way to silence him. Weren't the fraggings in Vietnam by soldiers who did not trust their superior officers? The officers were not fragged because they were going to tell the truth.

[alfredo]

47. Who pulled the trigger and why?

[burythehatchet]

48. I am seeing a good deal of coverage on sports channels.

There was a program on small cable channel that usually shows bass fishing, presenting some a pretty damning story.

[CatWoman]

50. what the hell are you doing watching bass fishing???

:P