Crap - I didn't see all those posts about Nazi references -

[Joe for Clark]

And I don't have that long to respond -

I tried my level best to respond here to all the replies - I really did.

And I can't watch this now - or anything - cause I don't want to see the train wreck - you know? I was never one to look over the car accident on the side of the road - don't want to see it.

If you reference the Nazis - you better be careful - cause too many people have a frame of refernce in that. That is the point. Remember - we are the people that killed them, right??

Look - my father was tortured by those people - some of my mothers family - were executed by those people - and I am not alone. SO be careful referenceing morons with killers - OK??

Other than that - I think I did respond - and have a great weekend. Cause I think next week could be troubling. So we deserve a break.

Joe

[sniffa]

1. w00t!!

another thread. :bounce:

k&r

[Joe for Clark]

6. Man I really really try to respond to people talking to me.

And this was just a short cut. I like you guys - but -

There is something I DO NOT want to see - and I am trying to avoid it at all costs.

It will kill me - so I don't look. What you don't see can't hurt you - you know??

Joe

[Swamp Rat]

2. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!

Does that help? :D

[IChing]

3. Yeah, I just tuned it in for this.......

[Swamp Rat]

4. That is disturbing.

[IChing]

8. How is your German?

[Swamp Rat]

23. LOL!

Sehr gut! :D

[IChing]

7. All righty then!!!

[Joe for Clark]

9. I can have a clear conscience and walk away ?-

I want to walk away.

I just want to have a clear conscience.

OK??

Joe

[IChing]

14. Walk like Rumsfeld!!!!

[Joe for Clark]

18. Alright - I do NOT want this -

But friend - you ever go to a basic graduation? I have from - Ord to Wood. From way back when to now - you think he has something to do with the character of the army?? Think again!!

Our armies then or now - they are the kids!! They do the dirty shit - they are the ones that carry out orders - they may not agree with - they are the "real deal". How hard is that to do what you do not agree with??

That man is just a fucking bit player.

So - tell me - who are they?? Cause I'll tell you - they are us. ANd these morons are killing them. And they know it.

Joe

[IChing]

22. Joe you need to get some levitity in your life

otherwise you will go insane.
That is why DU is such a great place.

Don't lecture me and I was not mocking you
it just gave me a great chance to post my stuff I like.

[Joe for Clark]

29. Man - I just want out - my levity left me two tours ago.

Now I am afraid.

Its like - the first time he got into a fight - there was the fear in his voice - BUT you can look and think "growing experience" - you know??

Not the second time. And the last time - he got friggin blown up.

Then you think - not going to walk away the second time.

And that is - of course - when they extend him.

Yeah - I think I am insane about this - the question is - and it is a question - did I understand those things about war - just growing up in my house. Is the thought rational and reasoned or not??

Joe

[IChing]

34. I would tell him if he were my son to get a section 8 and leave

It is an immoral War period..sorry joe but that is how I feel.
This is not George Patton's war.

[Joe for Clark]

35. You don't know those kids-

It doesn't work - I tried.

[Swamp Rat]

21. Dat's good!

:applause:

[SheilaT]

5. Yes, Nazi references need to be

carefully done. I just got done reading a biography of Eva Braun, Hitler's mistress. It's absolutely fascinating, but the point here is that the degree of evil of Hitler and those around him really went far, far beyond what we're seeing today. I do sometimes think, when I see pictures of Rove, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et.al., that I'm seeing our equivalent of Goebbels, Himmler, Goering, and so on.

[zonmoy]

11. His administration isn't done yet

I have no plans to stop doing whatever I can to stop the madman bush until he and his crooked Friends are out of office and in prison.

[Benhurst]

17. Morally or numerically?

Manson plotted the deaths of at least six innocent people.

Bush & Company plotted the deaths of at least 700,000 innocent people.

Hitler plotted the deaths of at least 50,000,000 innocent people.

To paraphrase a famous statement of Joe Stalin's (himself a mass murderer), are we talking morality here or statistics?

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. How's your kid, Joe?

:)

[Joe for Clark]

13. He is alive and that is a lot.

[Lint Head]

12. Specific reference in history.

Prescott Bush, Chimps Grandfather, was a fascist that wanted to overthrow FDR and bring the German and Italian concepts of fascism to the USA to lead us out of the depression. Prescott admired Hitler and I absolutely sure the Chimp admires his Grandfather. My father lived through the depression and he was a life long Democrat. :dem:

[Joe for Clark]

15. Man I am tired and I tried everything I could

to say what I had to say within bounds-

I am honorable - and I respect all the responses -

Just say you understood - and I can turn this damn thing off.

I do not like this thing - I don't like dishonor more.

That simple - I am pretty simple, really.

Just a kid from Beaver Falls.

Jope

[martymar64]

24. So what was theat something horrible in two weeks thing about?

I remember your cryptic messages a few months back. What was that about. Now that months have passed, tell us what is was about. Or is it some big secret?

[Joe for Clark]

26. Just ended in an artillery barrage and a half assed bombing raid

Pretty damn good from our perspective.

[martymar64]

30. War is never good, every human being killed diminishes us all.

It doesn't matter what country they are from. The falls of empires are preceded by wars. As thus will end the American Empire. But don't worry, as empires fall, people survive. We are not our governments.

[Joe for Clark]

32. It is true you know - deaths in war equate to failures of politicians.

But I'll tell you - I think, I believe - the United States is different. We are a truly a good people.

I believe in us - and I'll tell ya - no prick SOB president will EVER dissuade me.

I BELIEVE in us.

Joe

[martymar64]

36. I don't share your opinion about us as a people

We were founded upon slavery and genocide and that's a fact. Go visit Wounded Knee ,SD.
If you want a real opinion about america's greatness, aks a Sioux or a Cherokee or any other indian(if you can find one). Or more closely, ask a black man. They will tell you something different.
We do have some good people here, but we also have Klansmen and Neo-nazis. They only greatness derives from the fact that we as americans come from everywhere. e Pluribus Unum.
But to be honest, if things continue in this arc, I'll be heading over the border for the safety and sanity of Canada.

[martymar64]

28. Dude, I think you might need some help

Your posts indicate some issues that are unresolved that are possibly hindering your life. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I am concerned for you. Talk to somebody friendly out in the real world.
Don't let things on this site get you torqued out. We're all basically on the same team.
Relax, maybe have a drink or smoke a doob or get laid.

And remember, all empires eventually fall. The Third Reich did, the Soviet Union did, and so will ours.
WE may not be able to control events in the world, but we can control our own attitudes. Nobody can ever take that way from you.
Take care and peace

[Joe for Clark]

40. I appreciate that-

Or - maybe I am right.

Hope I am not.

Joe

[AndyTiedye]

16. Did You Know That Grandpoppy Prescott Bush Helped BANKROLL the Nazis?

Without the Bush family, World War II might not have been necessary.
_________________________

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial
by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in
The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that
Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush,
served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative
for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926
until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush
and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according
to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to
conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz
Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s,
personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion
of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush
and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger
brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George
Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather,
continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for
nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

…

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the front-page
Herald-Tribune headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz
Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact,
the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded
Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography,
I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct
personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf
Hess.

http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis /
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

[Truthiness Inspector]

19. Not knowing all of the background here...

I am stunned to see people making Nazi "jokes", having read that members of Joe's family were killed by Nazis.

No, not just stunned. Sickened.

[Bluebear]

27. Where are the "Nazi jokes"? nt

[Truthiness Inspector]

41. Oh I don't know, maybe the first replies to this thread? n/t

[Bluebear]

42. I see no Nazi jokes here. nt

[IChing]

31. Where are they?

I am deadly serious that this administration is what it is
My daughters grandfather was awarded the highest medal
for fighting the Nazi in Denmark as a saboteur and resistance fighter
and his father died in a Nazi Concentration Camp.

GFUS

[martymar64]

20. Ask the iraqis what they think of him

He 's destroyed their country and murdered it's women and children. He's destroyed our country too. And he's doing it on purpose. He's a sadistic evil little man. He will not stop until he is dictator for life.

The comparison is accurate. Or maybe a better comparison would be with Caligula or Nero, que no?

Get back to me when he declares martial law and cancels the election and see if you still feel that way.

Salaam

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. You Are Right, Of Course. The Casual Use Of Nazi Here By Some Is Rather Pathetic. n/t

[martymar64]

33. How about just plain old fascist?

I could accept despot or tyrant or kleptocracy as well. The bush regime displays many of the characteristics and methods.
But then again, operation paperclip after ww2 brought a whole bunch of those swastika wearing bastards into positions of power within our intelligence community and much of their ideology was made our own.
Whatever label you choose to give it, it's no longer democracy.

If you can't see that, then there's no hope for you.

[IChing]

37. You want to take that outside?

You pathetic, childish, extremist, misanthrope?

[Bluebear]

38. Oops

Who is "ignored"? :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. Do You Disagree?

It is a tremendous sign of intellectual maturity when someone throws out the nazi rhetoric so readily. If you dispute that, I'd love to hear your 'reasoning'.