In re: Nixon and Bush. Nixon was an old school thug.

[pinto]

Nixon was an old school thug. These guys in the Bush administration are much better at covering their tracks.

The event time lines of Watergate and today's scenario seem real similar, though. We're very apt to have specific crime exposed.

Criminal culpability was the downfall of Nixon. He was never impeached, of course, but it became clear he was in cahoots to cover up a crime. And it took two years.

We may not reach this standard in 18 months, but clearly some of the current cabal are going to be held to account.

One big difference is that Bushco has subverted a broad swath of the federal structure, at the department level. Nixon wasn't able to do that (or didn't have that objective).

Another difference is that we are challenging those subversions, piece by piece, in numerous actions, in the House and the Senate..

This is a different challenge than Nixon presented to the nation. His case was clear cut and really fairly simple.

I think we need to support action in all the different venues available, however procedural they may be, to redress the abuse of this administration.

:kick:

[caligirl]

1. The GOP and * are trying to run out the clock on their crimes. Once 2009

is here, they will call it old news, the public will call it politics as usual, the media will ignore it all. Why, because the 2008 election just happened, what punishments or big changes can happen once that has happened.

[pinto]

4. Not many punishments, in the conventional sense. But a change in the White House,

a realignment of the federal departments to their original purpose and establishing a majority to move our agenda forward is very well probable.

[Neecy]

2. Just like all GOP thugs, it's the coverup....

I'm firmly of the opinion that the Bush administration refuses to provide documents to Congress because they plan to have a massive shredding party before they leave office. As much as I want to see them stand trial, I doubt they'll leave any evidence of their many crimes. That's why it's important to hold them to account NOW.

[pinto]

6. Yeah. I think Gonzo's lies to Congress are a piece of the whole, and

an entry to establishing some 'actionable' evidence, as they say.

[roamer65]

3. Read Hitchens' book, "The Trial of...

Henry Kissenger". Nixon covered up a lot more than we realize. Hitchens lays out the evidence that the Nixon campaign did in fact cause the collapse of the 1968 Paris peace talks on Vietnam. As far as criminality, I see the Nixon and * admins as equals. GD war criminals.

[pinto]

5. Good point. I was speaking to a specific crime that had been adjudicated, and the subsequent

cover up, which was a crime in and of itself.

Thanks for the reference, though. In Nixon's instance as well as Bush's I assume much is unrealized.

[BlooInBloo]

7. They're not much, if any, better at covering their tracks...

... They just have the benefit of a wuss Congress, a compliant Judiciary, and a more apathetic electorate.


EDIT: You'd be pulling defeat from the jaws of victory to lose under those conditions.