The Tillman case makes me think back to the Bush-Webb, "How's your boy?" exchange

[NewJeffCT]

Does anybody remember this exchange late last year between newly elected Senator Jim Webb and George Bush?

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"How's your boy?" Bush asked, referring to Webb's son, a Marine serving in Iraq.
"I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President," Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.
"That's not what I asked you," Bush said. "How's your boy?"
"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President," Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112801582.html
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It later came out that Bush asked, “How’s your boy?” in an almost mocking tone, making it almost seem like a Corleone or Soprano family moment because Bush had the power to bring him home, if he so choose. Or, to send him on a suicide mission, or worse.

Only hours earlier, it also came out, Webb had learned his son’s patrol had been struck by a roadside bomb and had suffered casualties. While Webb’s son was okay, I’m sure he was a bit shaken by the incident as well.

But, with Bush’s acting like Tony Soprano with Webb, it really makes one wonder now that it has been revealed that Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire at very close range. And, that Tillman – whom Team Bush had promoted as a hero – had made an appointment to see anti-war intellectual Noam Chomsky on his return home. And, Team Bush has invoked executive privilege here as well, which was shocking when it originally happened!

Am I being too much of a tinfoil hatter here?


:tinfoilhat:

[blondeatlast]

1. Tinfoil does bad things to the dye job.

But damn, I wish you hadn't put that thought into my head. :scared:

[Lars39]

2. Sounds like Bush knew of the hit on the patrol.

[NewJeffCT]

7. remember, according to Bush

Nobody knows as much about Iraq as he (Bush) does.

[Lars39]

8. If bush didn't learn of it thru the 'proper channels', he probably found

out thru one of the spying programs.
I also thought of his answer to that reporter(Gregory?)...something about his kids in the answer.
I thought it sounded a bit like a threat at the time.

[Kingshakabobo]

3. Good point n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Nothing is too strange to rule out with these crazy bastards.

NOTHING!

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. Bush's EP is what raises red flags more than anything

Why? What is the point of invoking EP? Except they've been trying to shut this down for quite some time now, and it just keeps dripping away. Funny how these guys are so good at pointing the finger at others...at least they used to be. I guess they've run out of scapegoats and fallguys, and have no other options but to clam up.

[WinkyDink]

6. Here's the thing: For Bush to have known Webb's son was in that attack, he ALSO had to have known

the son's condition.

Ergo, his "question" was nothing more than a dig, a reminder of who was "The Decider", of who could have been the CAUSE of WEBB'S SON'S DEATH by his---Bush's--- Illegal Invasion.

[ljm2002]

9. I'd say you're wearing about the right amount of tinfoil...

...and it would be interesting to know if they were aware of Tillman's impending meeting with Chomsky... In fact, with that illegal surveillance going on, it does not seem too farfetched to think they may have been monitoring Chomsky's communications... not that we'll ever know.

In any case: no, I would not put anything past them. Anything at all. They have completely internalized the "my way is the right way" thinking that then allows them to do anything in pursuing their goals, and it is all justified, because they are right, just by definition, and the goals are true, and so anything done in pursuit of the goals is by definition a Good Thing.

I've seen the weirdness close up, although in small rather than momentous ways. For example, one day at work 3 years ago, I heard two of my coworkers talking. One of them said to the other in a shocked tone, that people had actually criticized president Bush! You'd have to have heard her shocked and disapproving tone, it was hilarious and pathetic at the same time. For another example, I spoke with a higher up one day, just casual conversation, and managed to get in a couple of factual digs at Bush -- not done in a combative way, mind you, just gently pointing out a couple of inconvenient facts -- at which point he said to me, "You've been talking to the enemy". I kid you not, those were his words. Needless to say, after that I avoided direct contact with this individual -- who could have had a great effect on my career, but that is no longer the case, thank goodness.

It is really scary to be confronted with the mindlessness of these people. They were looking for a Great Cause in life, and they thought they had found it courtesy of G W Bush and friends. Instead they have been cheerleaders for what will be known in the history books as Bush's Blunder. Or maybe it will be Bush's Blunders, where history students will have to memorize a list of his greatest fiascoes, such as Iraq, Katrina, the DOJ capers, etc.

[NewJeffCT]

19. I try not to bring politics up at work

If it comes up, I'll just say that I'm not a big fan of Bush - which puts me in the radical fringe of 70% of the country.

[tblue37]

22. I think they are more likely to be known as the admittedly

non-alliterative "Bush's Crimes."

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. No tinfoil necessary. It is an expected comment from a sociopath.

The chimp is off his f'n rocker.

[williesgirl]

11. k&r - I'd put nothing past this criminal-in-chief

[Judi Lynn]

12. I never heard his son's patrol had just escaped a close call. When I heard Bush's remark, it sounded

exactly like a threat to me. I saw it as an implication he could actually have complete control over how well Webb's son would EVER be, at any given moment, as long as _Bush was pResident. As in really SINISTER.

Thanks for the background. Makes it sound threatening to an even greater degree.

[NewJeffCT]

17. I'll see if I can dig up a link

I remember the Webb story so well because George Will wrote an op-ed a few days later about it and left out the key point of Bush asking the question twice - I even had a LTTE published on Will's article.

[Judi Lynn]

23. Please, don't bother. I'm completely certain you're correct. I'm glad to have learned about it,

as it does conform exactly to everything I'd expect!

Sure hope Webb's son makes it out of _Bush's illegitimate war intact. Having the pResident despise one's father isn't the greatest insurance, is it?

Have to admire Webb for not bowing to _Bush's attempt to intimidate.

[Virginia Dare]

13. Not at all, I had a chill up my spine when I first read about that..

Bush fashions himself a bully, he is constantly mocking people. He probably figured the odds were pretty good at that point that Webb's son was going to get hurt or killed over there. Whether there were actually plans to MIHOP, unfortunately it's entirely possible. I put nothing past this bunch.

[youthere]

14. ummm....

:scared:

[trashcanistanista]

15. That was my first thought when I heard about the incident.

He could have said "I appreciate your son's service, you must be proud of your osn, be sure to tell him", or something to that effect, but, "how's your boy" in a mocking tone is degrading and threatening at the same time. A subtle reminder that I am in control of what happens to your son, so you better do what I say. This is not tin foil, it's our current reality.

[Schema Thing]

16. Oh god, that's chilling.

Fortunately, Jim Webb would personally cut some people's balls off it looked like his son was messed with, and he probably has friends in the right places to help him do it.

[glitch]

18. Invest in tin futures NOW!

How can you ask if you are being too much of a tin hatter after all they've done?

[NewJeffCT]

20. That is true

It's almost like "The Onion" come to life

[northofdenali]

21. When I first brought up the possibility that Tillman was murdered

to a friend who is somewhat non-political (votes Dem, but isn't active in the cause), he presented me with this:



I've since emailed him a bunch of MSM info. He is currently trying to photoshop the image with a slash across it.

Webb was definitely being threatened in the snide, snivelly BFEE manner. They are ALL thugs, and those who support them are no better. I'm hanging on to my tin foil hat, because it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Edited for typos because I am so DAMN MAD at the obvious and continual Repuke attempts at intimidation.

Senator Webb, your son and Pat Tillman are :patriot: