I find the Tony Snow issue (using his cancer) rather distasteful

[quinnox]

I just wanted to say I find the Tony Snow "death" threads quite low and distasteful. Yes he is a political opponent but I don't think that is an excuse to actively hope for his death or to be glad that he has an illness that hurts and afflicts everyone, both liberals and republicans alike.

No I'm not going to link to the relevant threads but this has been around DU lately, please don't say it hasn't.

I find nothing progressive about this at all and I for one find it quite slimy and well, disgusting.

What do you think?

[LeftishBrit]

1. I agree...

I think we are all on the same side against cancer.

[eggman67]

2. I agree but

if you think that's bad wait til you see the inevitable grave dancing treads when he evenutally passes away. I just don't get people sometimes.

[zbdent]

25. I'm sure that, should Elizabeth Edwards pass on,

every right-wing web site will be absolutely respectful ...

[eggman67]

41. So we should emulate them then?

Two wrongs do make a right? How exactly are we different then?

[zbdent]

85. I didn't even hint that ... I just know that freepukes would be dancing

on her grave ... a "father of an Iraqi soldier" was "respectful" when seeing Cindy Sheehan face to face ... but came by in the dead of night to run over her little white crosses in cowardice ...

Both sides have their assholes ... but only one side in this seems to have the law and the government coddling them ...

[bdamomma]

63. we would be respectful if the event did happen but how would

the RW spin machine say, just speculation/assumption here, but can you hear them say something like "now Mr. Edwards will get a sympathy vote because of the situation". Just my two cents.

[Alexander]

3. I haven't seen any such posts.

What I have seen are posts lamenting the fact that he's using his final days to lie for the Bush administration, coupled with the hope that he'd have a Lee Atwater moment and repent before he dies.

I'm sorry but you'll have to show me some of these posts before I will believe you.

BTW, I have lost family members and pets to cancer. I don't joke about it.

[eggman67]

They've been alerted on and deleted

but they certainly did exist. I'm sure they're archived elswhere by people who like to do that, but I'm not going to go digging for them.

Believe what you will, but I know what kind of filth I've alerted on.

[Alexander]

31. In that case, the system worked...

And there is very little point in discussing already-deleted posts.

Do we make new threads about every Freeper who sneaks in here?

Sheesh.

[eggman67]

32. It wasn't a freeper sneaking in it was a long time member

and just because the post was deleted doesn't mean it didn't happen. The undercurrent remains and is worth discussing. See post 19 in this thread.

No I'm not saying it's a dominant trend here. It's not. But neither will I pu my head in the sand and deny it because as I said the undercurrent remains and is worth discussing.

[Alexander]

44. They aren't attacking him over cancer, they're attacking him over lying.

I have to say, while I don't wish death upon anyone, I don't exactly feel sorry for Tony Snow. His family deserves my sympathy more than he does.

If Tony wants my best wishes, all he needs to do is stop lying. Lee Atwater did it, why can't he? :shrug:

[eggman67]

47. Are you blind?

"I DON'T give a Shit about the guy, and the sooner a PIECE OF GARBAGE leaves this planet, the Better!"

That's rooting for a dying man's death. Defend it all you want but a gilded piece of shit is just a shiny shit.

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[Alexander]

80. Well, if you really have a problem with post #19, alert on it.

I could do without your childish name-calling.

"I never said YOU we're rooting for his death. I said the poster I pointed out is rooting for his death."

I don't care. I will not shed a tear when Tony Snow meets his maker. I didn't cry after Saddam's death either, although I didn't wish death upon him.


"I DON'T CARE WHY!"

So you don't care that he was and is a lying, corrupt talking head with no sense of shame?

"The thread is about people celebrating his illness and wishing for his death.

You said no posts do that.

I provided one that does. Post 19 roots for his death.

Why doesn't enter into it."

The point I made to you from the very beginning is that such posts tend to be deleted by moderators. If you have a huge problem with these posts, then use that handy-dandy "Alert" button to get rid of them. Why doesn't that enter into it?

Don't piss and moan about another poster's behavior when you can easily do something about it. :eyes:

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[spotbird]

4. Lee Atwater

To me it's a matter of conscience. Watching his decline, all the while he clutches to lies and hate is pathetic. Distasteful or no, the man should make things right before he goes.

[Ian David]

5. I hope he lives long enough to see everyone indicted, and then to be called as a witness to things.

I don't hope he dies.

Of course, that's out of my hands, and up to Bill Frist's determination of when to pull the plug.

[cboy4]

6. Yup, talk that that really gives DU a black eye. It's difficult to

imagine the people who are making the jokes haven't lost a friend or relative to that vicious disease.

[spotbird]

10. Huh,

since I haven't seen any of the offending posts, it's hard to address this concern.

I will say that the state of his health is obvious, it is not distasteful to talk about the elephant in the room. Cancer isn't a sin. Lying is. Tony should do what's right before it's too late.

[woodsprite]

12. Let's see - my dad, my mom, other relatives and myself have all

had and/or died from that disease. I still feel he should be 'coming clean', tell the truth and spill what he knows. Go out being a good reporter - not a shill.

[spotbird]

14. Or just go out as a honest man

and I've also watched close family die of the disease.

[bdamomma]

65. I do too, unless he doesn't have a conscious.

[Dora]

7. I agree. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

8. If you're referring to my thread of yesterday..

I wasn't hoping for his death, I was just openly wondering how he can go out and do what he does day in and day out as sick as he is, and still be at peace with himself. His lies anger me, and seeing how sick he is, it just angers me even more.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. I agree; we shouldn't be discussing his health

And as much as I can't stand him, I feel sorry for him. He looks bad, his job is probably very stressful and his health is surely suffering.

But I would much rather we discuss his politics.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. I think Tony Snow is quite low and distasteful.

Fuck him. No sympathy for the devil.

[VP505]

29. I wouldn't go that far but

that's just my take, however people who support killing, torture and stealing don't deserve politeness, Mr Snow doesn't engage in civil discourse, he is a PAID liar and propagandist enjoying what he does.

[galileo3000]

13. I started ignoring all the Pro-cancer haters, the list is pretty long.

If we cannot strengthen the more enlightened parts or democratic party then we will deserve what we have sewn.

[kenny blankenship]

15. I agree, but I also find the WH using his cancer as a shield low & distasteful

Put someone who can answer for the WH without evoking sympathy for his illness up in front to take the questions, not a fucking chemo patient. And insofar as Snow is a willing participant in this cynical spectacle, he is equally low & distasteful.

[Oilwellian]

28. Exactly

They're using Tony as a shield to cover up egregious crimes. The fact that he's helping them at a time when he should instinctively be seeking the truth, well, it's just stunning and very sinister.

[PA Democrat]

48. White House Asks Reporters to Wear Cancer Bracelets

ABC News' Jessica Yellin Reports: The White House press office has handed out yellow cancer bracelets that say 'Tony Snow' to reporters.

Member of the press office said they would like the press corps to wear these bracelets during Snow's on camera briefing Wednesday, scheduled for 1:00pmET.

Reporters are divided, some plan to wear them but others are aren't.

This is the first week back to work for White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, who was diagnosed with a recurrence of cancer last month.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/05/white_house_pre.html

[kenny blankenship]

52. And the Surgeon General is instructed to praise Bush three times on every page of his speeches

three times at a minimum.

Yes, every patriotic heart prays for the recovery of Comrade Napoleon at this difficult hour--the others will be found out and dealt with.

(Those Bushies!--they're pretty darn helpful about informing people how they are supposed to feel and display proper emotion.)

[BearSquirrel2]

60. Is that like ...

Is that like having 22 pieces of flair at Chatchkies? Do you imagine that the former Surgeon General actually had 3 praises for Bush on each page only to be called into the office by Andie Card to point out that the Science Advisor praises the President 5 times per page and that perhaps he should adjust his attitude.

I imagine that the Surgeon General started printing his speeches on REALLY big paper.

[DemBones DemBones]

16. Most posts I've seen have just observed that he seems near death,

some have suggested that he should take more time away from work to be with his family.

[AnExtremist]

17. Look at some of the stuff thrown around about Tammy Faye?

It's just going to happen - unless the admin comes and directly states it's a no-no. You can't censor the internet.

[Oilwellian]

18. What is slimy and disgusting...

is this administration's use of a dying man as their spokesman. It's a stunning situation.

I would like to see some examples of DU'ers hoping for Tony Snow's death. If indeed there are samples you can provide, then I would find them to be suspect trolls on this website.

By the way, you find death threads to be low and distasteful, yet start one of your own. Odd.

[eggman67]

27. "I would like to see some examples of DU'ers hoping for Tony Snow's death. "

See post 19 in this very thread.

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[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

19. He's A WASTE Of Oxygen

He is making my life more difficult by the second. I DON'T give a Shit about the guy, and the sooner a PIECE OF GARBAGE leaves this planet, the Better!

PLENTY have suffered because of his LIES, so I hope he receives some of his own karma as he nears the end.

[cboy4]

24. What you just said is quite sad.

Shame on you.

[TomInTib]

34. Goddamn right.

Fuck him.

I have no room for sympathy for the enemy. I will leave that for the soft ones amongst us.

[Bluerthanblue]

39. so how are you

any different than *?

TS is "an evildoer" to you- so fuck him?

What is your vision of the future then? We kill everyone who is "one of them"???

if so, perhaps you'd be kind enough to begin with me, i'm not your enemy, but i don't stand with you on this.

i wish you abundant peace,
blu

[TomInTib]

45. Maybe I have a slightly different perspective than most of us here.

39 months of close-in combat can give one a different take on things.

I'm not saying "kill everyone", I'm just saying "fuck him".

I have no sympathy whatsoever for the lying shill.

And I do not care if anyone agrees with me on this. It is a personal view.

Tom

[cboy4]

49. If I didn't know this was written by a DUer, it could easily pass

for something written by any one of a number of nutty conservative bloggers.

You sound like a very aggressive and potentially dangerous person Tom.

[TomInTib]

84. Well, you know...

I am not so aggressive, anymore.

But I used to be pretty dangerous (I am old, now).

I will guarantee you that I have a much darker past than just about anyone here.

Whatever happened to the "Big Tent"? Isn't there room for all of us?

If we ever hit the streets, you will be damned glad to have me on your side. I value human life no greater than I do the life of the ant on the sidewalk.

[Bluerthanblue]

64. i'm not sure that

your perspective is the minority view- and am not trying to condemn you for it either.

i can honestly understand how your Combat Experience has impacted your life, and the way you view and react to the world. Many of us, have experienced things in our lives that effect our ...ability to connect with others on even a rudimentary level. It's possible TS may be able to do his job for similar reasons...- but beneath/behind/beyond the anger, apathy, hate and frustration on both sides, there is the Tom that existed before those 39mos of close-in combat, and i wish there were a way to help you encourage that part of you to live- and thrive.

Our enemies will either have to become our allies, or we'll have to destroy them, or allow them to destroy us, in order for there to be "peace" or reasonable "contentment" on this earth. War is just a cancer that goes into remission- otherwise- .. something always threatening... able to crop up anywhere, and destroying more and more of it's "host"- (this earth) with each new outbreak.

We really need to be able to offer a BETTER way- Being Progressive- Liberal- Democrats and desiring that all people have a real chance-hope for a decent life is not just being 'against' the Repubs, it is being FOR a future where everyone matters.

and i've got to shut the f up and quit typing out loud

I'm sorry i jumped down your throat-

i think i need some time away from the internet-

peace,
blu

[LeftishBrit]

46. An honest question...

'I have no room for sympathy for the enemy. I will leave that for the soft ones amongst us.'

Isn't that precisely the attitude of the Right ('you are either with us or against us')? Isn't the whole meaning of liberalism that you *don't* divide the world into enemies who deserve no sympathy, and friends who do?

I don't think that Snow's illness absolves him from criticism for his actions; but at the same time, cancer is truly the enemy for which we should have no sympathy, even when it attacks people we dislike.

[Always AskWhy]

42. Worse than shameful

Why is he making your life more difficult?
Just change the channel or tune him out, you don't HAVE to watch him, it's your choice.

It's this kind of rhetoric that gives ammunition to the likes of Bill O'Reilly to classify us as prime examples of the worst kind of humanity.

Most here DO NOT agree with your sentiments!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

50. I Sympathize With Those Who Deserve Sympathy

I wish GOOD people like Elizabeth Edwards, all the best.

I have no more respect for an EVIL POS like tony, than I do for the great EVIL people throughout history.

The damage people like tony have done to this country, may endure for the rest of my lifetime, so I KNOW that his mere existence is making my life worse by the second. To say nothing of those in the military, or less fortunate than myself.

[cboy4]

55. That's ridiculous. Tony Snow doesn't set policy. I agree that

his lying is shameful, but wishing for him to die an agonizing death is worse than shameful.

Progressives are better than that.


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[Always AskWhy]

56. And if the far right

said the same thing about Elizabeth Edwards (after all, they see US the same way we see THEM) would that be OK too?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

70. They Will Anyways

I'm intelligent enough to know that Elizabeth Edwards is not even in the same universe morality wise, as tony SNOWJOB.

[Robbien]

20. Sad thing is, one cannot look at Snow without thinking his death is imminent

For anyone who has had a loved one die of cancer, just seeing Tony is painful.

Peace.

[Virginia Dare]

22. Agreed, I was so shocked last night that I started a thread..

to watch a man so clearly ill stand there and lie to the American people for this piece of shit in the White House was just disgusting. If Bush was any kind of a human being he would tell him to go home and be with his family, but no, he needs Tony to be there to cover up for his criminal activity. What a waste.

[peacetalksforall]

21. Making threats and making digs at death/illness is unprofessional

humanism.

[Jack Rabbit]

23. At least in Falwell's case, some people waited until her was dead to dance on his grave

Yes, it's in poor taste.

As for Mr. Snow's lies, that's another issue entirely. As far as that is concerned, fire at will.

[WritersBlock]

26. I find Bush's cowering behind a dying spokesman in a sympathy ploy distasteful. But typical. n/t

[applegrove]

30. I agree.

[wisteria]

33. My father just died from cancer and my uncle, four short months before him,

if you have ever had to watch someone die from this terrible disease you would not wish it on anyone or cheer it on.

Tony Snow is not my favorite person, but I wish him well and I hope he wins his latest battle with this disease and remains a thorn in our side.

[Bluerthanblue]

36. oh...

:hug:

wishing you peace and comfort- thank you for your compassion and wisdom.

blu

[wisteria]

59. Thank you. n/t

[eggman67]

40. I was fortunate enough to have my father beat it

not so my uncles & grandmother. I share your sentiments.

[wisteria]

62. Thank you. n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

35. agree. Maybe the ugliness is really fear-

people often get angry at what they fear. Cancer is scary, and TS is visibly struggling with the disease.

Strange thing about cancer, even though it isn't contagious, people usually find ways to distance themselves from the person. It isn't just people who are your 'enemy'- it happens with those you love and who love you the most.

Bottom line is, with all the crap that separates "us" and "them", when you come right down to it, aren't we all just people?.. To enjoy the suffering of others, even others who see this world completely opposite of our own perspective, only diminishes us all.

What is the point? Does it make anyone 'feel' better to want someone to feel bad???- really? even the next morning?

If we don't like cruel, selfish, ruthless, controlling, authoritarian people, shouldn't forgiveness, patience, compassion and mercy be what we extend instead? Does it not begin with "me"- and "you"?

not preaching, just questioning whether cruel liberalism is any less worse than cruel conservatism???


and feeling like this world is so screwed--- even here....


:shrug:



maybe i'm an alien?- maybe just an idiot.

peace,
b

[quinnox]

38. Well put

I agree with everything you said

[poverlay]

37. I know I'm going to get attacked for this but aside from feeling sympathy over his current medical

condition, I have to say that he is the most talented press sec. I've ever seen.(I've only been paying attention since Clinton...)

To be sick and still be able to do the amazing job he is doing is very impressive. The way he lies and spins and turns reality on its ear is a real talent. I have to give him credit for a good job in the face of impossible odds. Trying to cover up Bushco's lies and verbally make day into night day after day has got to be a hugely difficult job.

[JitterbugPerfume]

43. I agree

it is disgusting , and it reflects badly on all of us

[Always AskWhy]

51. I repeat......

It's this kind of rhetoric that gives ammunition to the likes of Bill O'Reilly to classify us as prime examples of the worst kind of humanity.

[tammywammy]

53. Agreed 100%

[BearSquirrel2]

58. Conservatives aren't shy about telling throwing around the "god" word ...

I've never found conservatives to be shy about telling people that god is punishing them. I wouldn't say these things, but I can see how conservatives set themselves up for this when they find themselves ill.

I've been berated by a conservo-religo at the office who felt the need to inject the glory of god into the argument and snicker and shame me at my godless ways. He was a Ned Flanders who also wielded the sword of judgement on others. He died of cancer and I couldn't help but ask myself why he thought God had stricken him in that way? These are the times when people seriously have to admit that either god was punishing them, or that God really doesn't pay that close attention to things. In which case, their life and their "plan" might not be as special and as sanctified by God as they actually thought.

In the end, God will have "called Tony home". Though no one will fault god for doing it in such a painful way. They'll compare the stricken to Christ and state that God was trying to teach them "some lesson". Perhaps the lesson was "don't smoke cigarettes" or "don't use chemicals as food". Who knows? The brilliance of "god" is that it cannot be observed so you can superimpose your own will on it. Then God can do anything you want it to!!!

When Pat Roberts dies, he is the one person who I will ever loudly proclaimed "God killed that Mother Fucker, good riddance".

[leftofthedial]

61. no degree of suffering, no matter the source,

is sufficient for these bastards

[Always AskWhy]

66. That's right, send out

more food for O'Reilly, he could do a whole segment on this.

[truebrit71]

68. Thanks newbie, we'll take that to heart...

:eyes:

And Bill-O is another one of the cheer-leading war-mongers that need to fuck off too....tell him I said that would you?

Thanks.

[Always AskWhy]

73. Thanks

but you can tell him yourself.

As for being a 'newbie' I notice quite a few with 1000+ posts have the same sentiments as I.

Inhumanity is inhumanity, no matter whose umbrella it sits under.

[leftofthedial]

79. I don't give a lukewarm squirt what O'Reilly does or says

He's a piece of shit

so is Snow

[WinkyDink]

83. Unlike Rep. Conyers, we don't need to worry about FOX TV.

[truebrit71]

67. I have as much sympathy for him as he does for..

..those that have been tortured and murdered by the people he serves...

Fuck him.

[Always AskWhy]

74. Not spoken

like a true Brit!

[truebrit71]

78. Spoken EXACTLY like THIS TrueBrit..

...what was I supposed to say? That he should go and fornicate himself?

:eyes:

[IChing]

71. What about Cheney's heart condition & pacemaker health problems? n/t

[Forkboy]

75. Some is over the top,but most of it doesn't bother me.

And both my mother and I have it.

I didn't root for him to get it,but I'm not bothered that he did.

I'd love to say I have sympathy for everyone,but I don't.I'd be lying.People who take part in the things this man has taken part of,not just in a peripheral way but right smack in the middle of it,aren't the ones who get it.His actions are helping to kill thousands upon thousands of people.What's they're doing will haunt us for decades,and he's the all too willing official "voice" of it.

I'm also not bothered by what this attitude of mine causes others to think of me.

I'm not running through every Snow thread and posting this,and if the mods are deleting them all I don't see it as something to really worry about.

[WinkyDink]

76. I find his lying for a psychopath quite sad.

[cynatnite]

77. Completely agree n/t

[frogcycle]

82. agree - i have been appalled and disgusted by some n/t