Was Tillman an ordered hit?

[debbierlus]

Did they do this for publicity to rally the country -

It is a thought. I realize it is kinda tin-foil hat, but with this psycho administration, one can never know....

That poor family - RIP Pat Tillman:tinfoilhat:

[BOSSHOG]

1. I don't know the answer and I don't think its tinfoil stuff, but

george bush and his supporters are responsible for the deaths of every American in Iraq. I'll not add Afghanistan to that statement because that was a legitimate attempt to fight terrorism and bush abandoned that fight after he lied us into a war so he could be a war president and proclaim mission accomplished in classic political theatre.

[nini]

2. It wouldn't surprise me one bit

which is a tragedy in itself :-(

[Zywiec]

3. No. n/t

[bryant69]

6. There was a time when that curt dismissal might have sufficed

But given recent information, it's becoming more of a fair and legitimate question.

Bryant
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[RaleighNCDUer]

7. You sound pretty certain -

my understanding (admittedly by rumor) is he was shot 3 times in the back of the head from 10 yards, just after he yelled "I'm Pat Fuckin' Tillman, goddammit!"

Seems to me that's a hard message to miss from 30' away.

[PurityOfEssence]

4. Well, if he'd ever been given a chance to speak out, he would have been a bit embarrassment

He was extremely opposed to the Iraq war and he not only didn't believe in god, he didn't have much use for the concept. This would have been an embarrassment for so many reasons: the hero who sacrificed his lucrative career did it out of mortal nobility and political will. Underlying much of the reactionary credo these days is that god is NECESSARY to live a decent life; to have a hero who considers all that to be horse shit would be very awkward, and the fact that he considered the Iraq invasion to be morally wrong was just icing on the cake.

Since one of the best ways to determine guilt is to determine motivation, it gets very fishy here: alive, he would be a hero who flies in the face of the common fantasy and accuses those in power of being immoral; dead, he's a mythic hero who shines with all that's best about us as a people.

Then again, who knows? Maybe he was a go-getter and got fragged in the traditional way: those serving with him didn't want to be put in harm's way. If so, then it's just a case of opportunism to cover it up and make him a hero who embodies all that the establishment holds dear. It also serves to assuage the fears that we may not be as competent as we think. (We're the BEST, remember: we can't make huge mistakes like this...)

Interesting, very interesting.

[debbierlus]

5. It is so odd, I am not saying it was a ordered hit

I am just floating a possibility. And, I realize it could not be true.

[cynatnite]

8. No reason to believe it was...

I'm looking at those he served with. One or more of them did it and it was covered up, IMO.

[libnnc]

9. Why was it covered up?

It would be easy to allow an investigation, prosecute the bad apples and put them away. Case closed.

Why would the President of the United States invoke Executive Privilege to stop a criminal investigation?

[cynatnite]

10. They needed recruits for their warmongering...

covering up something like this is what they do. That's why I think they've worked so hard at keeping a lid on it. Invoking executive privilige over this screams they knew Tillman was murdered before that memorial service, IMO.

[libnnc]

11. As more info is made public,

you may have to change your opinion.

[cynatnite]

12. I'm willing to do that if it supports the theory that bush ordered Tillman's death...

but I doubt that'll ever happen. I'll say I was wrong, too :)

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. How could he invoke 'Executive Priviledge' unless there was some

direct connection to the presidency? There are all kinds of secret classifications for keeping shit quiet - executive priviledge has never been interpreted to apply to anything that did not directly involve the president or his immediate staff.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. I tend to think it was not a fellow soldier, but a CIA/DIA plant with the

unit, and fellow soldiers who might know the truth know it could also happen to them if they speak up. The truth will out, in 40 years and the survivors are old men with a lot on their consciences.

[Hubert Flottz]

13. Why else would they be trying so hard to cover up the truth?

If they have nothing to hide what are they afraid of?

[Shipwack]

16. Why cover up the truth about Tillman?

Because this administration lies reflexively, even when they don't have to.

:rant:
Even -if- the truth "merely" was that it was just one of those stupid dumb-ass things that happen in combat, it would have been a minor negative headline for a few days. I think very few people would change their views on the "War" on Terror after Tillman's death (especially considering the way the neo-cons control the media spin machine). However, those in power (both politicians and the gutless cock-sucking sycophantic officers) couldn't stand the thought of -any- bad news besmirching the image of their little Riefenstahl-esque propaganda drive. I'm semi-surprised that they didn't make his last words "Win one for the Gipper".

So when the mere hint of bad news occurred, they immediately start lying, turning what would have been a minor bit of sad news* into a festering, putrescent scandal.
:rant:

Or maybe they did order a hit on him for whatever reason... Any other Administration I would have laughed at that theory out of hand, but nowadays... :shrug:

*Sorry, while I understand that his death was a tragedy to any who knew him personally, I refuse to find his death any more tragic than the other 3648+ deaths of men and women we've lost through this stupid, fucking POINTLESS war. :grr:

Or any less so, for that matter.

::note:: sorry for the profanity; I rarely indulge in it but I'm just feeling so angry lately when I read the news.

[AndyTiedye]

14. Sure Looks That Way

Why burn his body? Why burn his body armor? Why burn his diary?
Why invoke executive privilege to stonewall any investigation?

Murdering bastards!