Please post here if you are interested in forming an IMPEACH group!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

Skinner says it's okay! Thank you Skinner! :woohoo:

Here is the mission statement:

The Impeach Group would discuss impeachment as a strategy for dismantling the power of the current administration. We do not want to debate the merits of impeachment, but rather the hows of accomplishing this. The Impeach Group discusses how to accomplish impeachment of the current administration, the most effective ways to lobby Congress, and Democrats who may or may not favor impeachment. We may NOT endorse or support non-Democratic party candidates who support impeachment.

Post yes if you want to join and yes if you agree with the mission statement. If you disagree or want to add to the statement, post your comments.

Please note, this group is for DUers who WANT impeachment, it is not a group for debating the pros and cons of impeachment.

Thank you!!

[Fridays Child]

1. Sign me up, please!

[bonito]

2. I'm in

:bounce:

[Swamp Rat]

3. Yes. Yes. Everyone should join this group.

[rainy]

4. I'm in. When those in power violate the law they need to be punished.

Otherwise they violate more laws and become brazen about it. In you face like now. We stand to lose too much. This is a good start as we re the people and it is our duty to protect our constitution if our leaders will not.

[mmonk]

5. You know I'm in.

:patriot:

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. Really?

LOL!

Time to get the debate going in a group that plans STRATEGY. I am over arguing about whether it's right or not.

[mmonk]

11. Me too

(am I ever).

[countingbluecars]

6. Yes, count me in!

Yes, I agree with the mission statement.

[L. Coyote]

7. Edit to mission statement. Keeping it simple and declarative.

The Impeach Group discusses how to accomplish impeachment of the current administration, the most effective ways to lobby Congress, and Democrats who may or may not favor impeachment.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Okay check the OP again

I edited.

And thank for the suggestion!

[mmonk]

19. And for clarification purposes,

I'm fine with the mission statement (even if it changes;-) )

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Wow you're easy.

LOL

[mzmolly]

38. I think the word "effective" is key.

Nice point.

:hi:

It might be good to start with reading the book by Nichols to get ideas and discuss what is realistic etc?

Just giving you some ideas.... given I support impeachment but don't support Sheehan, I don't think I'd be welcome.

Enjoy the group.

[bettyellen]

47. I doubt waiting for Republicans and Fox news to get on board will be deemed "effective"

so if you want take your sticks and stones and hit the road running that's fine.

:hi:

[mzmolly]

63. I'm sorry, apparently you dont realize that you need Republicans to impeach?

No wonder you're so excited about it, huh?

Edited for spelling

[bettyellen]

66. we all don;t need to wait for Republicans to support it first, as your excuses, err "plan" goes

some people think they can work on this and bring them around- without waiting on the magic* report or some other event that may or may not happen. Let's save the benchmark excuse to the other guys.

(*first damning war report evah written by a republic shill)

[mzmolly]

68. Yeah, I'm one of those people who thinks that "investigations/oversight and

hearings" is working on it.

I'm in favor of impeachment once we've made the case because we need to do our best to get it right.

I don't feel that going around in circles with you is productive any longer.

We both know we need Republicans to impeach and we don't have them yet.

Peace

[Breeze54]

70. What?

Wait for repukes?? :rofl:

Whomever said that sounds like an operative! :P

[John Q. Citizen]

74. While we are at it, let's wait for Repos to get single payer, too.

[bettyellen]

77. wooo hooo, they're gonna give me some free birth control if i wish hard enough!

that's the most outrageous thing i could think of. sad, that.

[mzmolly]

80. Wow, it must be nice when people pick up on spin without context huh?

That explains why the same group supports "impeachment now to end the war" without playing the scenario through?

[bettyellen]

89. that was spin? you said word was out- the repubs are defecting against the war...

what do you mean, spin? it was fairly straight forward.

[mzmolly]

92. I stand by my statement. You said impeachment will end the war, how?

Frankly if I were you I'd quit kicking this thread. I'll await your non-answer.

[mzmolly]

79. John, don't let other's convoluted "talking points" confuse you about what I've actually said.

Impeachment does not end the war without removal, and we don't have the votes to remove. That's my point, and I believe that's Conyers point as well.

:hi:

[John Q. Citizen]

113. How many people watch Cspan, on the average, to do think? 10,000?

5000? 60,000?

How many watch Network TV? 20,000,000? 40,000,000?

Would you rather have an investigation that 10 or 20 thousnad people watch, or an investigation that 30 to 50 million watch?

If congress were to start an impeachment inquiery, there would be tens of millions of people watching.

Does that make sense to you?

[mzmolly]

128. All the more reason to proceed with patience and a solid case.

peace

[John Q. Citizen]

131. So you don't think cooking intelligence is impeachable? What, then, would be?

[mzmolly]

132. That's not what I said John. I support impeachment.

I support doing it right is all. As for cooking the intelligence, we have to have testimony to this effect before that would fly, and if you'll recall the 911 report absolved Bush and implicated the intelligence community. So, we have to pursue the many other avenues to charge this admin.

[John Q. Citizen]

137. What do you believe would be an impeachable offense? The 9/11 report had nothing to do

with the office of special plans run by chaney to produce the bogus intel. You go pursue those other avenues, i'll be in the streets, and I'll stay there until I get the job done.

When you have figured out what doing it right would entail, let us know. Thanks

[bettyellen]

162. that;s A RW talkig point, confusing the 9/11 report when we are talking treason in regards

to outing Plame. And lying us into war.
In the past I have only heard Limbaugh confuse the two.

[mzmolly]

168. No, it's not a RW talking point, it's one that will confuse the issue of saying "Bush lied"

when a bipartisan panel found that "the intelligence was flawed." The only way to get Bush for lying on the war is testimony/investigations/hearing.

[mzmolly]

171. Oh I believe it's impeachable. But this isn't so much about what I believe.

We have to have a bipartisan effort to impeach and remove.

People have heard the arguments over war lies, people have made up their minds on that issue. Without a new revelation, I don't think that's our ticket? Unless of course we impeach Cheney alone, who is unpopular in every political circle. He'd make a nice fall guy, but I hate to let Bush off the hook if we can help it.

The way I see it is Dems are going to dig until we hit upon an issue that most of America will bite into.

I understand from a "passion" standpoint the "impeach NOW to end the war" mantra, I just don't get it when I apply logic.

Take Care John.

[bettyellen]

76. apparently there's a rumour the Repubs'll jump ship when the war report comes out in Sept

or November.
Silly me, I'm expecting the report to say it;s going greeaaeat but we need to stay in Iraq till 09.
But others here belive the report will be brutally honest and damning, causing Republicans to defect and ditch their support of the war so we can finally ask for some real toothy legislation. Easy peasy!
So the plan is to sit on out hands till then, it would seem.

[mzmolly]

82. There's a crazier rumor that impeaching now will end the war.

However my "rumor" is supported by some fact. Yours? Tell me how impeachment ends the war, exactly. I'm all ears.

[bettyellen]

86. Glad you have decided to admit it's your September rumour, i thought you'd be too embarrassed

Looking forward to seeing that magic report!
Till then,
:hi:

[mzmolly]

90. It's not a rumor it's a fact.

The fact is that people like John Kerry and others have said that they'll have more support this fall. Murtha has also eluded to this, but you keep spinning and pretending that it's "others" who don't make sense.

Question, how EXACTLY will impeachment end the war?

[bettyellen]

95. right now, It's merely a hope, a wish. I hope it happens but, in the meantime

calling it a fact is kinda silly.
Like worrying what the spin over at Fox is, I can't put stock in it.

[Breeze54]

97. Spinning? Weaving?

Sounds familiar! :rofl:

[bettyellen]

99. Bobbing, ducking..... LOL. Sounds tres familiar.....

[mzmolly]

98. No, it's a fact, how many remains to be determined.

I'm off to watch a flick. :hi:

[puebloknot]

147. A flick I can recommend is "Judgment at Nuremburg." nt

Some of the crimes Bushco have committed are prohibited under the international conventions that came out of those trials.

Start impeachment and watch the rats leave the ship.

[mzmolly]

169. What about "Judgment in DC?" Got any movies where they hang a President?

:eyes: Start impeachment too soon, and the rats muddle together to stay warm.

[puebloknot]

181. Methinks you protest this administration too little.

...

[mzmolly]

182. Not at all, I'm realistic. It does no good to talk of storming the OO

with bayonets. I'd rather discuss what we CAN do vs. engage in fantasy.

[puebloknot]

184. Impeachment is not fantasy. And our "Can Do" Dems have let many...

... opportunities go by to stop the funding of the war. Now we'll see how they behave with regard to inherent contempt.

[mzmolly]

185. I didn't suggest it was. I suggested a war crimes trial was a fantasy.

As for funding, they sent two bills with a deadline that were vetoed. We need to have the votes to override. Americans want the war to end, but - the vast majority do not support cutting funds.

[Breeze54]

100. What the hell are they smoking?

:smoke: It must be freaky Friday! :rofl:

[Breeze54]

138. They're jumping ship alright but NOT over this!!

:rofl:

DC Madam, Maybe!! But not this!! :crazy: :rofl:

"But others here belive the report will be brutally honest and damning,
causing Republicans to defect and ditch their support of the war"

:wtf: And ditch their under the table income$?$ Is that person dealing with a full deck??

One sandwich short of a picnic? Missing a few letters in the Alphabet? Missing crayons in the box?
:shrug:

(I ran out of examples!) :rofl:

[mzmolly]

172. Well given 78% of Americans have "jumped the war ship" and Republicans have privately told Dems

that they plan to join us in September, I'd say it's a reasonable assumption.

[mzmolly]

85. This, from those who suggest we can impeach to end the war.

How very interesting.

[bettyellen]

87. i suggested that support for impeachment stems from dissatisfaction w. Iraq and that

it's not a bad first step.
it can;t hold a candle to your magical sept report, i guess. oh goody, can;t wait!

[mzmolly]

88. You suggested that impeachment ends the war,

THAT is what's magical.

[bettyellen]

91. i said leads to, is step one.....and unless the Dems want to own the war, it would.

and i think we both know that some dems do want this war.
let's hope they can be shamed out of it. but if not, they can own it.

[mzmolly]

94. Ah, the goal posts have moved. Now "it leads to." Ok, how?

HOW does impeaching without the votes "lead to an end?" Keep in mind we already have 78% of the public wanting out now.

[mzmolly]

96. OFF TO WATCH A MOVIE WITH THE FAMILY.

I'll check for a specific well thought out reply later, I hope you have one for me.

[bettyellen]

101. so after impeachment you think the Dems would take over the war? You think they'd find another

excuse for their inaction, after Bush is gone? Pray tell, how would they rationalize continuing it?
You really think the Bush regime wuld go on, business as usual, after impeachment? LOL, that's pretty bizarre.

[mzmolly]

126. Again, you confuse impeachment with removal.

Have a nice rest of the evening.

[bettyellen]

161. No, I confuse impeachment with neutering. And impeachment will actually have Repubs jumping ship

Reports that come out in September or November may only warrant the same old lip service -calls for patience and staying the cousre till 09.

Funny you're frightened to address how someDems actually want this war. Many of them point toward your sad little report too.
So, in a way, you're helping them. Hmmm..

[mzmolly]

167. Again, it does not end the war. If you want to say it will "neuter" Bush, fine. But don't confuse

that with 'ending death/war/occupation' because a failed measure might further embolden the freak.

ON edit, I said we need R's to "impeach" above, and that's not so. We need them to "impeach/remove." Sorry that I've added to the confusion. You had every right to call me on that, just as I've called you out on equating impeachment with ending the war.

Peace

[mzmolly]

174. Clarification, we need R's to remove, not to start impeachment proceedings.

Losin the old marbles by spending too much time here. :crazy:

[mmonk]

55. Hello mzmolly

Wish us success in finding a way.:hi:

[mzmolly]

61. I wish us all success in this venture.

We must impeach the cabal, the question is when. :hi: Best wishes mmonk.

[puebloknot]

150. Agreed. And we have to find out who is pulling the strings of the ...

... cabal, who is financing them and handing down orders.

Getting to the core of that is prime in taking our country off the road to fascism.

[AndyA]

9. Yes and yes. n/m

[madokie]

10. I am a DU'er who wants or better yet demands impeachment

so sign me up, please
I want impeachment for my new granddaughter who will have to live with the outcome if we don't do it now. I want better for her.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. A new granddaughter?

You lucky man!!

Congrats!

[madokie]

24. Thanks

;-)

[midnight]

28. Hi Makokie.... I can't agree with you more. My daughter

also gave us a new granddaughter on the 10th of this month, and as I hold her, I want this wiretapping, spying, and killing to be ended. I also hold her and know that I'm very lucky that my granddaughter is in America and not in Iraq. It is so unfair for those Iraq grandparents to watch what is going on. O well-congrats!

[madokie]

108. congrats to you and your daughter may there be many smiles and lots of laughter

and only enough tears to remain healthy. I really am taking what is happening to the Iraqi people in a bad way, I feel personal responsibility even though I know it's not something I have any control over but I do for some reason anyway. We have to stop this criminal cabal before they destroy our whole world, our country.

[Hun Joro]

12. Yes!

:thumbsup: :patriot:

[peacebird]

14. Count me in! k & very enthusiastically R!!!

:toast:

[LiberalEsto]

15. Me! Me!

LibE

[Ghost in the Machine]

17. Count me in. I agree to all terms and conditions of this group. I don't know

exactly how I can help, but I'll do what I can. Impeachment is imperative if we want to save our Country and pull it out of the clutches of these neocon criminals.

The eyes of the world are upon us, watching. They want to see if we, as a Nation, stand with this rogue regime. If we don't stand up against OUR OWN OPPRESSORS we'll be seen as willing and complicit also. Guilt by association. We accepted this criminal cabal and didn't try to bring them to justice. It leaves us looking weak, and also leaves us susceptible to an attack by real terrorists.

The only terror gripping this Country right now is the fear of what this misadministration is going to do next.

PEACE!

[Breeze54]

110. Well said with one exception...

"We accepted this criminal cabal and didn't try to bring them to justice."

I don't think the majority of us accepted it at all. Just sayin'!

Otherwise, great post! Well said and it's the truth! :applause: :applause:

[Ghost in the Machine]

125. I was saying that's how we'd look in the eyes of others. That's why

we *have* to stand up against this cabal, at all costs, and denounce them, rebuke them, and eventually indict them and incarcerate them.

We know that we don't accept them, but does the rest of the world know that?? Where's the mass outrage??

[Breeze54]

127. Gottcha!

;)

[Ghost in the Machine]

133. ;-)

Thanks for the kind words, also!

[Bjornsdotter]

18. Count me in! n/t

[Breeze54]

20. Add me to the group!

I'm not sure what you mean by:
"We may NOT endorse or support non-Democratic party candidates who support impeachment."

I get that it means not to promote their candidacy but does that mean we can't speak of their other activities?

You know, like Cindy Sheehan is against the war but it seems if she's mentioned in an anti-war
thread, that people descend to rip you a new one because she's said she's running as an independent.
She's still against the war and that is why I support her. It's getting confusing and convoluted.

I mean Bernie Sanders ran and won as an Independent but he always votes with the Dems, doesn't he?

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. We just can't support her candidacy

So we can't for example say we support her BECAUSE she is in favor of impeachment. But I think it's okay to discuss what she is doing, like if she has an impeachment event.

Mods, help me out here and reply if I am mistaken. Thanks!

[puebloknot]

151. My take on what the mods have already said is...

... we can't openly endorse her candidacy for Senate, but we can mention her name, and we can support her philosophically -- given that much of what she espouses is as Democratic as the day is long.

If there is going to be a shut-down on even talking about Cindy Sheehan, and with admiration (though not trying to campaign for votes for her), then it will have a chilling effect which would be the very antithesis of what pro-impeachment people are trying to do here.

[mopinko]

21. can we come in and

cry on each others shoulders about how hard it is going to be, and how impatient we are to stop the bleeding?
seriously, i think this is a very important group. our local dfa was just discussing what kind of program we wanted to do re: ending the war, etc. nobody wants to just sit around and cry and support each other. we want to talk to people like mike gravel who filibustered the draft, and stopped it. we want brass knuckles. it is past time.

[proud2BlibKansan]

Yes I don't think it is against the rules to cry

:cry:

[mopinko]

57. that's good. i think there will be some tears along the way

what can we do, tho. my rep, jan schakowsky, is signed on to 333, but she is chief deputy whip, and says the votes are not there.
maybe i can talk to my alderman. he had a hard race this spring, and will not be sticking his neck out, i don't think. but maybe he has some ideas for local action. i give him credit for the chicago resolution, but he paid the price.
glad to be here, tho. we need this.

[Dinger]

22. I'm In Too! (nt)

[driver8]

25. Yes and yes!!!!

[Jack Bone]

27. yes....Yes....YESSSSSSSSS!

doing my very best Meg Ryan impersonation....w/ apologies, of course...

[Breeze54]

30. I'll have what you're having!

:P

[Jack Bone]

31. LOL!

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

29. I'm in!

:woohoo:

[me9399]

32. I'm In

count me in as well

[Breeze54]

33. Welcome to DU!!

:hi:

[EFerrari]

34. Welcome to Du, me9399

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

117. Welcome to DU

:hi:

I think you need to donate and get a star so you can participate in the group.

[Pastiche423]

35. Yes & Yes!

[MasonJar]

36. I favor impeachment because the pres and vice have brokens laws

and treaties. They should not be allowed to get away with conspiracy and treason.

[Ian David]

37. YES!

[fed-up]

39. they must be held accountable-I'm in nt

[kimpossible]

40. Yes!

Absolutely!

[John Q. Citizen]

41. I'm in, unless it means no more pro impeachment threads in GD, GDP.

But as a place to discuss, brainstorm, and to come to agreement on specific action, then by all means.

I'm willing to open the discussion right now.

My idea is a three day national accountability campaign that takes place in all 50 states.

the point would be to line up 100 or more people in front of the offices of 5 House reps per state and have people go in in ones and twos to lobby the staff of their reps. This would take about three days to do, if each lobby session lasted 15 minutes. On the street outside the office (While people are waiting in line) we get some acoustic music, tabling, maybe some finger food, crowd chants, face painting for kids of all ages, media interviews, etc.

We recruit the citizen lobbyist from various lefty interest groups and when people go in to lobby the staff of the congress critter they take in 2 messages; 1 Impeach 2.Issue of their choice. That way we can get the local environmental group to turn out some folks and we can get the pro-choice group to turn out some folks, etc. It's a coalition thing, to get turn out.

It would take 250 organizers to do this across the country, and 25,000 people (minimum) that seems doable, because the distance to a congress persons constituency office isn't usually prohibitive. Anti war rallies get 200 or 300 thousand people, but most in the country can't attend for geographic reasons.

This is a way we can get maximum local and regional media coverage, get people who otherwise can't get involved (as in a mass demonstration) get passerbies involved or at least interested in the issue, and make a huge statement nation wide. The 3 day aspect of lining up with a semi street fair atmosphere outside, is sure to attract media interest and the interests of locals.



To pull it off, we need to form a national committee who contacts exiting impeachment groups for ideas, information, contacts, resources. We need to target 5 congress people in each state. Choose the dates (3 days in a row, week days when the constituent offices are open) We need to recruit the 250 local organizers to approach multiple citizen groups to pitch the plan and secure involvement from those groups, make lists of participants, and do it.

[Breeze54]

42. Wow!!

I'm impressed! :)

:yourock:

[chknltl]

43. With the Congressmen home for the month,

this could indeed have an effect.

[John Q. Citizen]

46. We would really have to hustle to do it. We'd need to put together a committe this

weekend, and start contacting the existing national groups by Mon.

The hardest part is the geography, 5 organizers in each state. One in each state would probably have to double as a statewide organizer.

Progressive Dems o America probably has a great list in all 50 states.
After Downing street would have some contacts in each state
Democracy for America might have some folk intersted in this

[chknltl]

53. Pitch this to "Code Pink"

They may be in a better position to do something like this
edited for link: http://www.codepink4peace.org/

[Breeze54]

54. I doubt it but Move On would or maybe!

Meet Ups! ;) PFAW?

[John Q. Citizen]

60. Almost anybody if they like the concept. Heck, people from the sierra club.

Lobby in ones and twos on impeachment and on wilderness expansion.

[Breeze54]

67. That's true!

We could just contact all that have a stake in this! ;)

That would mean almost all the groups and coalitions.

Easy to do with e-mail and membership access. ;)!

[John Q. Citizen]

58. If we put together a committe, then we can invite others to join us as we

organize it. But we need to come up with dates, some human resousorces, and then ask other groups to help.

My idea is non-confrontational lobbying. Just lots of friendly but concerned people talking to their congress Reps staffs about issues. The hundred people lined up on the street for three days is the media hook, not the sit in. And I know Code Pink does it all, (sit ins, friendly citizen lobbyests, etc) so that's not a problem.

If code pink wants to join us/coalition with us I'd love to have them. They might be good at helping to target Reps for maximum effectiveness, and they have some great organizing skills.

[chknltl]

75. I like the idea but am in NO position to join in

Hence my suggestion to send it to Code Pink. They may see the merit in it as well, if so, they will know what to do with it, who to contact and how to get the word out. After Downing Street would be another group to pitch it to. I feel impeachment is way more important than the individual citizen at this point. If I came up with a great idea which may aid the process I would want to plant that idea in soil that is better than any I can personally provide. I am 100% behind the notion that impeachment will only happen IF WE THE PEOPLE are pushing our Congressmen. Your idea fits in here so it has my support from the getgo. That said, if indeed it is something that will have an impact, it needs to get out to a lot of folks rapidly as there really is precious little time to get things organized. Code Pink and/or After Downing Street are the ones I would pitch it to because of this.

Also, the Jon Eliot Show, (On Air America) is asking folks to do something along similar lines. Jon wants folks to turn up the pressure on their Reps this summer, by phone by e-mail by snail mail and if possible by going down to their offices. He wants to air our actions, the responses from those actions AND he promises he will attempt contact follow ups. (He is currently working on a few of these now to include a follow up from Jon Conyers regarding the Cindy Sheehan confrontation a couple of days back).

I feel every pressure WE THE PEOPLE can bring to bear on our Reps regarding impeachment is VERY important right now, your notion could be one of MANY, perhaps an important one if it is implemented as you envision. Again, I encourage you to get it to folks who can evaluate it's merits and RAPIDLY do someting with it.

[Breeze54]

106. Great idea's and

thoughts, chknltl! I'll re-read in the morning! Thanks! ;)

[chknltl]

124. Thanks...

sorry if it looked like I was ignoring you earlier, I was juggling a distraction elsewhere and my encouragements for what I feel is a good idea. Distractions over, for a few moments. I agreed with you that there was precious little time for organizing this. I really DO think the idea is a good one and hope it gets passed along to those in position to grease the wheels of it's implementation.

That said, I strongly urge folks to do what activism they can. If the best thing they can do is pass along links found in the DU to friends...well that is VERY important too! We need WE THE PEOPLE getting behind impeachment. A wise man said that Democracy requires an informed electorate. Being informed about Anne Nichols baby or Drunk Astronauts is not cutting it for Democracy so it is up to us to get the stories out there, to be the purveyors of the news which the electorate needs to hear.

I believe we are having an impact, I believe the results are a simmering electorate, one steadily progressing to a boil point because we the informed part of the electorate, have NOT turned down the burners. Our Representatives, the ones who can and will do our will, are feeling the heat coming from us even now. The suggestion by JohnQ.Public is good because it adds more heat right where it is needed at a key time, a time when our reps are back among those who elected them.

So tell your friends, get them angry, angry enough to talk among themselves about impeachment. Contact your Congressmen, (especially now), let them hear your anger, your fears your concerns for Democracy. The combination will force the impeachment issue to be placed back on the table. The bush crime family may have control over Congress but it has lost it's grip on WE THE PEOPLE. They lost it because they could not stop the internet, they could not control the blogs and forums and the truth-seekers who post here! I believe we made the key difference and I further believe that we have it in our hands to move Congress to do our bidding...which of course is how our founding fathers set it up. Motivate the electorate which in turn motivates Congress which in turn removes the hostile takeover of the Government. That is the ticket.

[Breeze54]

129. I've been all over that for years! Believe me!

;)

great idea's! I agree! It's up to "We, the people!" ;)

We all need to be involved and tapped in!

[Breeze54]

48. Not enough time to organize.

It's to soon...

[John Q. Citizen]

56. That's my feeling also. If we started this weekend it would take at least 6-8

weeks to pull off is my guess. ANd that would be pushing it. It's good to let the students get back, but still early in term so they think they have time for it.

While it would be nice to have the congress criter there, they will definatly hear about it from there staffs, after the staff spends three days talking to lots of people about impeachment.

The local and regional media aspects are in many ways the most important goal, and we can probably turn that into some national media as well. Often local TV news and papers are easy to get coverage, and then they can give the footage/pictures to the national outlets hopefully.

Obviously, many of the targets (especially Repos) aren't going to suddenly come out as advocates, but i think it's worth doing, it gives the movement a ubiquitous feel, which is gold.

[AntiFascist]

73. I agree...

please don't allow this to become another 9-11 dungeon, but count me in too!

[mmonk]

166. I have an easier way.

Draft up the cases of impeachment with all the resources available to us (and it can contain the cases for bush, Cheney, and Gonzoles) and put them in impeachment packets. Have a name of a willing citizen from each of the 50 states put on the front of the packet as "presented" by (name) citizen of (state) (country) and give to one of the proponents of impeachment in the House (someone who has signed onto H. Res. 333 for example) for distribution to the members.

[puebloknot]

183. I think this is a good and practical idea, and one that could happen fast.

This is strictly personal, but I consider impeachment so important, so serious, that it almost seems that an "impeachment fair" atmosphere is too frivolous for a subject so serious. The growing number of deaths in Iraq, the people still in jeopardy in New Orleans ... I think we need to take a grim and serious approach to demanding that our leaders get off their butts and do something.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. Sign me up please. nt

[hwmnbn]

45. I'll sign up twice if I have to...

throw them bastards to the curb!

K&R

[truedelphi]

49. I'm in all the way!

I am currently planning on getting 100 people to call the local Congress person's fofice in the next five days.

[chknltl]

50. My fellow DUers who are for impeachment:

I fear that having our own section will dramatically affect the appearance of GD and GDP. Seeing the rapid increase of impeachment threads in both forums over the past few weeks has been a morality booster for me and I suspect many others! Has anyone else noticed that we seem to have had a downswing in the doom and gloom threads here during the last two weeks as well? I do not know if there is a link but I suspect the argument could be made that all the impeachment ferver has had an the uplift here. I fear that we will be shuffled off into a cornor and the subliminal message I have alluded to will lose it's impact. (Sort of like taking the rabid mobs the news can hardly ignore and movin' em away from the capital out into the wilderness). May I suggest that this new forum be titled "IMPEACHMENT ACTIVISTS" so as not to impact what I am seeing here in GD and GDP.

[mmonk]

62. Sounds ok to me.

[TahitiNut]

104. I agree. I oppose such a "Free Speech Zone"

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

115. This would be a place we could discuss strategy

and connect with each other around the country. Impeachment threads could still be started in GD. But our Impeachment Activist Group would be for planning and organizing. We aren't being moved to a free speech zone. Hell, this was my idea and I am as pro-impeachment as anyone on this whole discussion board.

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. Yes I think that is a good idea

An Impeachment Activist Group

[chknltl]

130. Thank you, thank you very much

The Impeachment Activist Group forum will attract the more serious minded impeachment proponents without detracting from the very important aspect of impeachment fervor here in GD and GDP. I feel that very fervor is a good thing and plays a part in how many individual DUers feel. MY fear is that impeachment fever would be attenuated by your suggestion if all the impeachment threads get moved under one roof..almost out of sight out of mind so to speak for many. Hence my suggestion. I hope you understand that I am FOR the "Impeachment Activist Group" and you have my support should you opt to go with that. I suspect you will find no diminishment from what support you already have garnered and you will add those who think as I to your cause.

[chknltl]

51. dupe

[chknltl]

52. dupe (Sorry)

[Horse with no Name]

59. PLEASE!

:thumbsup:

[proud2BlibKansan]

116. I'm taking that as a yes

LOL

[Joe Fields]

64. I've been crying for impeachment for years now.

[Generator]

65. Oh so this is conveniently going to put all impeachment discussion in a

ghetto!!??? 9/11 dungeon here you come! Seriously, I started here on 4/2/04 and I put Impeach Bush in the comments that day and I have never wavered on the principle-it's the only thing that's right. It's not separate from anything else. It is the story. High crimes. From 9/11 to the latest story-Pat Tillman-what's the story tomorrow? The litany is so long and to keep this man as legit will forever taint this country.

But I'm preaching to the converted. The point is the are trying to put you in a ghetto-I don't buy it that as a GOOD thing.

[Breeze54]

69. The Impeach ACTIVISM Group will have a place but

I think talking and posting about impeachment would still be allowed on the main forums.

[mmonk]

84. Hopefully a place in history.

;)

[Breeze54]

111. You got that right!

:patriot:

;)

[John Q. Citizen]

72. I think it's meant as an activists brainstorming organizing and news forum. If our posts show up on

latest and can be recommended to greatest, then I have no problem at all.

I think that's how it works in the elections forum, for instance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

118. It was my idea

This group would be a place to discuss strategy. Not ALL impeachment discussions would take place here. They can still be posted in GD.

[Poiuyt]

71. I wouldn't want an Impeachment Group become a dungeon like the 9/11 group, etc

I like discussing impeachment in the GD myself.

[proud2BlibKansan]

119. You can still do that

And you can come to the group as well.

[DancingBear]

78. Well, of course it's OK

It is easier to bury that way.

See I/P, see 9/11.

It's really not cause for celebration, I am sad to report.

[proud2BlibKansan]

121. It's a place for strategizing without debating with those who are against it

We can still have discussions in GD. But in this group, we will actually make plans and connect with each other around the country.

It was my idea, DB. I want to DO something and stop wasting my time convincing those who oppose impeachment. If they don't favor it by now, they most likely never will. So let's quit fucking with them and move forward and make some plans.

[NotGivingUp]

180. Huh? There aren't too many against it anymore!! This is being done to marginalize it. n/t

[sakabatou]

81. Hell yes

[laylah]

83. ...

:hi: ABSOLUTELY!

[Vincardog]

93. I am sooo in

[Oak2004]

102. Proudly and determinedly adding my post

as yet another (ex-) Republican in favor of silly things like, oh, democracy and stuff ;)

If there was ever a textbook case of what the Founders meant by "high crimes and misdemenors", this is it.

[burrowowl]

103. Yes, I support an IMPEACH Group!

Be sure to sign DK's petition to enter your name in the Congressional Record to impeach Dick Vadar.
A support group could centralize such actions!

[Hosnon]

105. I'm in! NT.

[Zywiec]

107. Yes, an Impeachment group would be good

Right next to the 9/11 group, and soon to be Tillman group

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. Only as long as the subjhect does not become the dungeon

[babylonsister]

112. I'm in in some form, but also think the subject needs to see the light of

day all over DU.

[Name removed]

122. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

136. It's possible to disagree on the wisdom

of impeachment without being a troll.

[proud2BlibKansan]

141. Yes it is

However, there are certain people who do come into these threads and disrupt.

[MonkeyFunk]

143. I never understood

how disagreement = disruption.

[proud2BlibKansan]

144. I am going to recommend that you go back and read our mission statement

This group is NOT for debating the merits of impeachment. If you care to plan strategies and network with impeachment activists across the country, please join us. If you want to argue about impeachment, stay in GD.

Good night.

[MonkeyFunk]

153. I'm not asking to join your little circle-jerk

I'm pointing out that it's wrong to call anyone who disagrees with you on the subject a troll, and evidently the mods agree.

[Name removed]

156. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

159. It's a thread in GD

and I'm allowed to post.

I originally posted to object to your calling people who don't see the wisdom in impeachment "trolls".

That was against the rules, as is your last post to me, proud2Blib. Can't you discuss the issue without name-calling?

[femrap]

120. I want Impeachment so badly I

can taste it. I'm on my 3rd round of writing to the 23 Dems on the Judiciary Committee + Pelosi.

I bought some more cards today...so in another week, I'll be bugging them again. These are the ones that need to hear about We, The People's, demand for Impeachment.

[bobthedrummer]

123. With some of the stipulations noted upthread, of course-Cheney first!

[Richardo]

134. Yes!

Then throw away the key!:bounce:

[cui bono]

135. I'm for it. And for impeachment too. :)

[Liberal Lassie]

139. I am SO IN that you would have to tie a board to my ass to find me.

Yes, let's do it!:toast:

[defendandprotect]

140. Me, too. What are we doing? And why take it out of general discussion. .. ????

[proud2BlibKansan]

142. We aren't taking it out of general discussion

We are taking it to a higher level and planning strategy. We can still discuss impeachment in GD.

[puebloknot]

148. This is an important point. It's good to keep the conversation going ...

... in GD.

[NotGivingUp]

178. EXACTLY! n/t

[EFerrari]

145. kick

[Maraya1969]

146. I am IN

[puebloknot]

149. Count me in. And...

... in addition to planning strategies, it will be a good place for all of us to understand impeachment better -- what it is, what it isn't -- and take that back out to GD and other forums.

I've seen a lot of posts that show that people think Bill Clinton wasn't impeached because he was not *convicted* in the Senate. The message that an impeachment is a preliminary hearing, to shine light on alleged crimes and determine if there is enough evidence for trial, must get out. That will help cut into the "lack of votes" meme.

[radfringe]

152. waving my hand!!

[More Than A Feeling]

154. Impeachment sounds pretty good. I don't know how much help I'll be

But I'll participate. Mission statement is fine as stands. My congressman is David Loebsack (IA-02) and he is definitely someone worth targeting, representing the People's Republic of Johnson County, Iowa as he does.

[Norrin Radd]

155. Yes.

[Nikki Stone1]

157. Count me in.

......

[Skinner]

158. This group has been created.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=401

[rateyes]

160. I'm in.

:hi:

[Donnachaidh]

163. me too!

I want impeachment. I've emailed my cussed reps (all thuglicans) weekly on this. I'm so freaking frustrated I could punch a wall. I want in!

[Anita Garcia]

164. OK

[Time for change]

165. I'd like to participate

I don't know much about the hows, but I'll do what I can.

[lonestarnot]

170. Take impeachment issue off gd? Hugh ugh. Nope. I agreed with

this at one time, but I have changed my mind.

[tbyg52]

173. Looks like the group is already formed,

but I'm posting here anyway for the record!

[mmonk]

175. Yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=401

[robinlynne]

176. yes. and it looks like you already created a group, from the number of responses!

[goclark]

177. Count me in! nt

[dailykoff]

179. Yes, but only if its threads can be recommended for Greatest page

just like GD threads. Otherwise they'll get buried.