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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:03 PM
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Repuke: "Pat Tillman is just another dumb jock."
A repuke friend said that today, so I took a few excerpts from various articles and emailed the idiot. Haven't heard back, but I thought some of you DUers might find them interesting. BTW, this repuke clown flunked out of college more than once, and eventually dodged the draft thanks to his rich daddy's influence and a nice, safe slot with the National Guard.



Behind the scenes of football glory, Pat worked diligently on his marketing degree - graduating Summa Cum Laude with a B.S. in Marketing from ASU's prestigious W.P. Carey School of Business in just three and a half years (3.85 GPA). His intense focus and sheer determination led him to three consecutive selections to the Pac-10 All-Academic Football Team, a 1st team Academic All-American honor, as well as the NCAA's Post-Graduate Scholarship for academic and athletic excellence. Perhaps Pat's most impressive accomplishment as an ASU student was the high regards he received from nearly everyone he came in contact with, especially his professors and coaches.

"You don't find guys that have that combination of being as bright and as tough as him," said Phil Snow, Pat's defensive coordinator at ASU. "This guy could go live in a foxhole for a year by himself with no food."

Despite Pat's popularity in college, he remained humble and unassuming while continuously striving to improve himself. He was known for his well-thought out questions, which he used to stir up conversations in topics ranging from international political systems, world religions, or more trivial matters like the best type of sausage or merits of a good latte, to the personal concerns of his friends. However, his periodic visits with family and close friends became essential to 'recharge his batteries'.

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Tillman talked about everything, with everyone. According to the speakers, he had read the Bible, the Koran, the Book of Mormon, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau, and he underlined passages constantly. Garwood recalled how he'd mail articles to friends, highlighting certain parts and writing in the margins: "Let's discuss.'' A quotation from Emerson, found underlined in Tillman's readings, adorned the program.

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Pat Tillman turned down a five-year; $9 million offer to sign with the St Louis Rams in 2001, citing his loyalty to the Cardinals. He accepted a one-year deal worth $512,000. The following season, Pat Tillman was offered a three-year contract worth $3.6 million, but enlisted in the U.S. Army instead.

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Tillman joined the Army specifically to fight Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but was sent to participate in the invasion of Iraq against his wishes. He called the invasion, "so fucking illegal."

--He was an avid reader and fan of Noam Chomsky. Tillman was scheduled to meet Chomsky upon his return from Afghanistan.

--Tillman was an independent-minded, outspoken Bush critic who planned to vote for John Kerry.

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Furthermore, it turns out that the brainy Tillman, who while an NFL player, pursued his masters in history, hadn't signed up to parrot the administration line. His self-appointed mission was to fight bin Laden and Taliban. He was thus dismayed to find himself briefly stationed in Iraq, which he thought was an illegal war.

Not only that but, as his mother said, "a friend of Pat's even arranged a private meeting with Chomsky, the antiwar author , to take place after his return from Afghanistan--a meeting prevented by his death."

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THE CHOMSKY FACTOR

Tillman, we now know, was also in contact with one of his favorite authors, America's leading intellectual dissident, Noam Chomsky. According the Chronicle, Tillman had set up a meeting with Chomsky to take place when he returned from Afghanistan, where he eventually wound up after serving his tour in Iraq.

This image of a Chomsky-loving, anti-Bush, anti-Iraq-war hero (at a time when most of the U.S. population supported the administration's foreign policy), flew in the face of the official Bush administration portrait of Tillman, painted by dutiful media whores like Ann Coulter, who once described him in near-racialist terms as "An American original--virtuous, pure and masculine, like only an American can be." (Max Blumenthal, blogging for the online Huffington Post, asked if we could have Coulter's line in the original German).

As both wars droned on, Tillman, the picture perfect poster boy, evolved into something of a wild card. With a Chomsky meeting on the horizon there existed a very real possibility that Tillman, in the weeks leading up to the 2004 presidential election, might go public with his anti-war, anti-Bush views, dealing a critical blow to the very foundation of the Bush administration's propaganda pyramid. That day never came, however. On April 22, 2004, Tillman was killed while on patrol in Afghanistan by three American bullets to the head.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:09 PM
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1. Those Pukes sure love our troops, eh?
n/t
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:13 PM
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3. He is no longer of value to them
and doesn't fit their John Wayne image.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:14 PM
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10. They love the military and its' weapons, not the soldiers.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:07 AM
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as the republicons repeatedly prove, they hate our soldiers and our veterans
I have always felt it is because all the republicon so-called leaders -- AWOL Bush, Cheney, Lott, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannyity, and Senator Diaper-Boy Vitter (just for starters) are all Total Chickenhawks.

republicons love their chickenhawks, but they are forever trashing our honorable veterans and sons and daughters in uniform.

Thus, republicons show no integrity, no respect, no honor.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:13 PM
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2. KICK
great read
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:21 PM
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4. K & R
Would have, could have, should have
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:30 PM
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5. Repukes are C**KS****RS!
:mad:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 10:32 PM
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11. 'Cokesackers', darling, 'cokesackers'. nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:59 AM
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20. Do you realize how offensive that is? nt
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 03:27 PM
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23. I offer no apologies. There are no true words to describe my...
anger and disgust at THOSE "people". They are the lowest form of anything. The GOP will smear anyone who disagrees with them.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 03:42 PM
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24. Why do you think cocksuckers are the lowest form of anything?
Fine, don't offer an apology, but you are using really unfortunate anti-gay slurs to describe Republicans.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:42 PM
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6. I wonder if Pat might have found out
he was fighting to protect heroin dealers and drug runners in Afghanistan.

Britain is protecting the biggest heroin crop of all time

By Craig Murray


SNIP

Our economic achievement in Afghanistan goes well beyond the simple production of raw opium. In fact Afghanistan no longer exports much raw opium at all. It has succeeded in what our international aid efforts urge every developing country to do. Afghanistan has gone into manufacturing and 'value-added' operations.

It now exports not opium, but heroin. Opium is converted into heroin on an industrial scale, not in kitchens but in factories. Millions of gallons of the chemicals needed for this process are shipped into Afghanistan by tanker. The tankers and bulk opium lorries on the way to the factories share the roads, improved by American aid, with Nato troops.

How can this have happened, and on this scale? The answer is simple. The four largest players in the heroin business are all senior members of the Afghan government – the government that our soldiers are fighting and dying to protect.

When we attacked Afghanistan, America bombed from the air while the CIA paid, armed and equipped the dispirited warlord drug barons – especially those grouped in the Northern Alliance – to do the ground occupation. We bombed the Taliban and their allies into submission, while the warlords moved in to claim the spoils. Then we made them ministers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=469983&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source

Just as a matter of interest the author of this article, Craig Murray, was the UK's ambassador to Uzbekistan until he was ordered home by Tony because he kept rudely objecting to the Uzbekistan dictator's routine use of torture on his enemies and political opponents. Uzbekistan was a vital ally (and a recipient of a healthy amount of aid dollars) of Tony and Boy George in their "war on terror". Mr. Murray apparently created too many waves with his public objections to the persistent use of terror and torture by Uzbek secret police. You can easily find more information if you're interested just by googling "Craig Murray Uzbekistan."

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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:43 PM
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7. NEAR racialist?
"...virtuous, pure and masculine, like only an American can be."

:puke:

How much did * pay some evil fuck to commit fratricide?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:52 PM
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8. Just like we at Iowa named our stadium after our great that died in war, Nile Kinnick...
... perhaps we can petition Arizona State to rename Sun Devil Stdium to Tillman Stadium! Kinnick, though he had a Heisman Trophy upon graduation, chose to fight in the war, and died in a training flight then, and was also a model citizen as well. I think Tillman fits that category, and is a Heisman trophy winner in my book!

The more and more I hear about Pat, the more impressive of a man he is in all aspects! Perhaps when we look back at this and examine how perhaps his strong character and what the right wing element in the military provoked them into playing their cards in perhaps trying to shut him down by murdering him, if indeed that is shown to be the case, then trying to hijack his image for their own purposes and finally being held accountable and shutting down their "wing" in the military that either points direct responsibility to the White House that leads to an impeachment, or perhaps handicaps their control over the military when they flush these troublemakers out which ultimately prevents a coup attempt, that we'll later discover how much even after his death, his character while he was alive had such an impact that it might have even saved our country.

I hope later when we get through this mess we're in now, that we can look back at his time here as someone that truly served his country well!
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 09:58 PM
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9. Disposable Heroes
Once you lose your value as a propaganda device, then your life ceases to matter.

Hell Jessica Lynch is still getting hate mail for telling the truth about her rescue. If it doesn't benefit Bush, then they're not interested and often antagonistic.

Patrick Henry once said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. And as we've seen with many "patriots", their love of country is as superficial as the yellow ribbon magnets they like to plaster on their vehicles.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:33 AM
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17. Ding, ding, ding, winner!
That's it in a nutshell. When Tillman's death was first reported (with all the requisite patriotic bunting and martial fanfare), lamenting the loss of his life and calling it a waste earned you top spot on the Right Wing Cheerleading Squad (RWCS) hit parade. You were a traitor, siding with the terrorists, to imply that Tillman's life had been thrown away to no good purpose.

A few years later, when the patriotic corpse the Right has been so giddily parading around has begun to stink, and the odor is attaching to the Head Cheerleader, Tillmsn's now nothing more than a dumb jock who voluntarily got his ticket punched, and why are you obsessing over the RWCS's previous obsession with his corpse, and can't we all just be bipartisan now?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:35 AM
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18. Ask John Kerry about "disposable heroes".
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:47 AM
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12. It seems Tillman is wrapping his hands around Bush's throat from beyond the grave.
These revelations are absolutely enraging - at a point when it seems the level of rage could not be raised any higher.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:49 AM
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13. In re: your puke friend... Is he saying it's o.k. to kill our own soldiers
as long as they are "dumb?" If so, he truly is a puke.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:36 AM
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19. Support the Troops!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:53 AM
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14. Ask him what he thinks about David Koresch.
I guess that says a lot about Republicans. They side with a guy who would compound a group of innocent civilians and use them in his effort to resist facing criminal prosecution over a guy who went to fight for his country and who didn't want to see more patriotic Americans enlisting for a war that has no honor.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:58 AM
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15. Wow! You never told us you actually know *!!


BTW, this repuke clown flunked out of college more than once, and eventually dodged the draft thanks to his rich daddy's influence and a nice, safe slot with the National Guard.



In all seriousness, though, great response to your friend's stupidity. I hope it gets him started on the long, arduous pathway to actual brain activity.

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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:19 AM
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16. Can your repuke friend find someone to enlist?
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 10:21 AM by WakeMeUp
Does he/she have a son/daughter, grandson/grandaughter, or other family member who could? I would love to hear the intersting excuses!

:hi:


Edited because I missed the part about draft dodging - rephrased question.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:04 AM
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21. So sad, what a loss
Sounds like he would have been a fascinating guy to get to know (Tillman). I'm impressed. I never knew that stuff about him.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:07 AM
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22. Call a military recruiter
Give him his name and address and set up an appointment. Arrive before the recruiter and demand he put his money where his mouth is and support the troops. Then, help the recruiter convince the frucktard he MUST ENLIST or else he's a "troop hater" and "yellow-bellied coward."

It would be a good thing to do for two reasons:

1. Our troops need to be replaced by fresh recruits.

2. Young republicans will be the ones sent to die by Bushler.

:)



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