Continueing attacks on Homeless in Fresno, CA

[annm4peace]

from posting from article by Editor Mike Rhodes local fresno progressive paper. http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/07/25/18437313.php

Later in the month I received a call from a homeless person who lives near Roeding Park. He asked me if the police could stop him and his friends from sitting on the grass during the day. "They (the police) came up and told us we would be arrested if we were found ‘lounging about’ in the park after July 14." I told them to get the badge number and name of the officer threatening him and to ask for the citation of the Municipal Code he is allegedly enforcing. Good grief! Now the homeless can’t sit in on the grass in a public park?

The most troubling development on the homeless front is that Pamela Kincaid, who is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit against the City of Fresno, was severely beaten and ended up in the hospital. The attack happened under extremely suspicious circumstances, one witness telling me that he is certain the police were involved. There will be a major follow up to this story in the September Community Alliance newspaper.

[sandnsea]

1. 7 of 31 Bee Advertising Jobs Outsourced

In the article above the assault on the homeless. People better start putting the two together.

What's stupid is that there were homeless people in Roeding Park 40 years ago when I lived in Fresno. It would seem somebody would get a clue that if the problem is getting worse, somebody isn't developing the economy correctly - like the stupid Republican mayor.

[Jack Sprat]

2. American rednecks at their stupid best.

It gives these redneck creeps someone to look down on, ........they think. The homeless people are not enjoying sleeping with fleas, gnats, chiggers, mosquitoes, rats, and roaches. I doubt that they feel very good without bathing and eating. If not for some very obvious mental condition, I don't think they would choose that life for themselves. But, we have some wonderful rednecks in this country that believe they deserve this life because they don't want to work. The truth is that they are made up of veterans, addicts, and mentally impaired people from all corners of society. If they were harmful, they would be in prison. But, prisoners have a shelter and 3 meals and these poor people don't. I don't care whether they particularly deserve shelter from the heat or cold, sufficient food, and healthcare, I would gladly give it freely to every one of them. The vast majority of them are so strung out that they couldn't hold a job a week without being dismissed. Yet, we could easily provide a safe haven for all our people, if we were a decent society. But we aren't. JMO

[Greyhound]

4. First you criminalize poverty, and then you can expand the forced labor supply

for the owners of the private prison industry. This is where we're heading, either you keep your head down, submit to your masters and do as you're told, or you will be made a slave to a company with the power of the state.

[undergroundpanther]

6. That's what all those new prisons

Haliburton built are for.Free labor pools to get our so called leaders out of debt to China?

[OzarkDem]

19. Just like China

This must be part of the plan to keep American products competitive overseas - development of our own slave labor pool.

[ninkasi]

3. This seems, to me, to be sadistic

and wanton cruelty to those who are down on their luck. Why is it necessary to not only refuse to help the homeless, but to make their already bleak lives worse? We have become a cruel, brutal, society.

So much for the wing-nut's insistence that we are a "Christian" nation. Somehow, I doubt that the Jesus I learned about while growing up would agree with the ones who would penalize those who have the least. Something comes to mind, maybe the Sermon on the Mount?

It seems that the religious right, better known as the self-righteous, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou crowd, knows the Old Testament much more than the New Testament, which is strange, considering that the New Testament is the gospel after Jesus was born. I don't understand these people, but then again, I can't bring myself to hate and despise people who are suffering. I guess that's a godless, liberal, socialist perspective. Oh, well, I can live with that. I don't know how they can live with themselves, though.

[Greyhound]

7. Jesus, if he were to come back and if he existed at all, would be one of those jailed.

They claim to be Christian, but would hate Christ.:crazy:
:kick:

[Jack Sprat]

8. We are not a Christian nation. Modern Christians ignore

every single thing Christ stood for. If you pretend to be a Christian, then you probably aren't. If you don't make that pretense, you probably are. How's that for irony?

Good post. Thanks.

[undergroundpanther]

5. This administration want homeless to

Die! They want them to suffer until they get a job,as if jobs were everywhere.And if you are homeless it's not like you have nice clothes employers demand and a shower..

Goddamn I HATE this 'free market" scam that's what the"market" IS it's a gigantic pyramid scam combined with a rigged kind of gambling(stocks)I wish people would wake up and NOTICE this.

To have super wealthy pigs,requires most to have less and some to have nothing. It's a rigged system people don't see it because it's so big,and appears so random but it is rigged.What do you think the "invisible hand" is? It's a hand a pickpockets hand called CEO.

[Jack Sprat]

9. I'm becoming more of a socialist democrat with every

passing day. Most of those folks can't work or work steadily if their life depended on it. All sorts of health reasons. Reagan put the mentally incapacitated out on the street I knew an elderly lady who was run down by a car shortly after she was released. I loathe what we have become as a society. I didn't pledge allegiance to the flag as a kid to see society become the hatefuls that they have.

[undergroundpanther]

10. What gets me

Is people who work do not want to admit they are dependant on a job a company.Just like someone on welfare depends on the state.
The company collects far more welfare money from the states than the welfare recipients combined. So if you really want to look at it honestly the rich are the most dependant class of people of all,civilization,we all depend on each other as well.The homeless ironically are the least dependant on society believe it or not.
There is no excuse for treating the homeless like shit IF these resentful people with money who are"offended" about the homeless and so silent on corporate 'welfare',they'd change their tune IF they ever got honest about their own dependencies.

[bobbolink]

11. It's not just the misadminstration.

I was informed by a DUer just a couple of days ago that poverty in the US is just not a priority "now".

The only thing that matters, according to people of this mindset, is wwwaaaaarrrrr.....

Poverty isn't something to bother your pretty little mind with.

Never mind how many are dying right here in the US.

:cry:

[EFerrari]

12. We lose many more people every day to poverty.

The difference is, it's no ones' job to count them. :mad:

[bobbolink]

13. Exactly! Thanks for pointing that out!

I keep saying that we poor folk aren't even considered important enough to track, to find out how many are dying.

At LEAST 300,000 were cut from Medicaid. How many of those died as a result??? Don't know and not interested....

Hundreds of thousands lost their SSI--how many died? Same as above... Which liberals are clamoring to know? To restore the benefits?

It just isn't important.

And, by the way, those cuts were in a bill titled "Budget Deficit Reduction Act". Kinda says the true purpose... get rid of people, save money.

Where are the liberals on this?

Where's the outrage?

Where's the mass effort to restore the cuts?

Is it any wonder that I KNOW my life doesn't count??? Including to liberals?

[EFerrari]

14. As long as politicians have to buy their way into elections

poverty will not be a priority, imho.

Ditto for the revolving door between the lobbies and Congress, ditto for earmarks.

Maybe the government has always been somewhat corrupt -- maybe all governments are -- but this period we're in is horrendous.

[bobbolink]

15. Those things require long-term problem solving.

What hurts me is that most liberals, most "peace" people just don't care.

I'm told over and over that it's only the war that matters.

People have made a huge difference in pressing their congress-critters about various issues. Just look at Boxer being pressed to stand up in the senate on behalf of the CBC! That's just one example.

Yet, any time there is a request to press for poverty issues...it's the same very few people who bother to respond.

IT HURTS.

Poverty Will Be A Priority With Politicians When People Demand It, The Same As Impeachment And Anything Else!

WE Know We Have NO Support From Liberals On This!

IT HURTS.

[EFerrari]

16. I know.

:hug:

[bobbolink]

17. I know you do. You're one of the few who reply.

So, why are you up past your bedtime?

:hi: :hug:

[EFerrari]

18. I thought the same thing and fell over.

:hi:

[OzarkDem]

20. Poverty is out of style for donors

A non-profit management newsletter I receive recently reported that poverty related charities are no longer in fashion with big money donors. The folks with lots of cash to donate are tired of giving to agencies that help the poor and homeless, they're looking for something new.

[bobbolink]

24. I"m not looking for nor asking for "donors"

I simply ask that LIBERALS and DUers call and write for the re-instatement of Medicaid, for restoring all the cuts made to HUD, for INSURING THAT ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO SIMPLY SURVIVE, with the same fervor that they extend to all the "DU this poll" threads.

Really, is that asking for something unreasonable?

[NMMNG]

21. Homeless people don't belong in a public park

They're dirty and unkempt, and they make the park look unappealing for "regular folk". Therefore it's only right that they be made to leave so "regular folk" not be made to look upon their yuckiness, or feel bad for them. :sarcasm:

[bobbolink]

25. Yes. Homeless people are idiots.

[VP505]

27. Ya, can't have

those dirty unkempt homeless people laying around in the dog shit that covers most parks in the city I live in.:sarcasm: Parks here are little more than a public toilet for peoples dog's, yet the police keep harassing the homeless for sleeping in the parks. Kind of makes you wonder.

[The Cleaner]

22. How can anybody look a downtrodden person in the eye and do this.

:cry:

[EFerrari]

23. I can't remember a time since the Carter administration where

our society was taught or encouraged to think of anyone but me me me. It's disgusting and saddening.

[bobbolink]

26. Happens everyday and everywhere.

And it happens because it's ALLOWED to happen.

Where's the outrage?

Where was the outrage when Katrina survivors killed themselves because they'd been sent all over the country, had no place to live and no way to survive?

Where's the outrage?