Between Clinton and Obama, did anyone actually say they would get out of Iraq?

[still_one]

I heard words to the effect that they would draw down, slowly turnover, but I don't believe I heard either Clinton or Obama say exactly when we would leave Iraq if they are elected

I also find it quite amazing that the press fails to ask either the administration or the candidates about the "new Iraq oil law" that they are trying to push on them:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132574.ece

Most Americans do not even know that the multinational oil companies will reap most of the benefit from oil that is the Iraqiis

I will vote for Democrat in 2008 mosting to try and hold onto what is left of the Supreme Court, but I have no illusion, Democrat or republican who gets into the white house, our presence in Iraq will be for years to come, and the expense will be at American and Iraqii lives and American tax dollars all to benefit the oil companies

[shadowknows69]

1. Hilary has said that if Bush doesn't pull out

she will. With the remaining "Emergency" presence of course.

[still_one]

2. What does "emergency" presence mean? It is hard to extract anything definite

I am not trying to be negative, and I appreciate your information

For example bush keeps talking that we need to stay there until the job is done, but what does "getting the job done" mean?

His answer is nebulous terms that until the country is able to sustain itself, and maintain order, but what that says to me is indefinite.

[rucky]

3. At least Biden explained the logistical challenges of immediate withdrawl.

Nobody can explain why we need to be there for security reasons. We ARE the "Security Risk"

[Individualist]

12. It means she wants permanent bases with quick strike capabilities

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/60/19825

Clinton advocates leaving behind "a small contingent in safer areas with greater intelligence and quick strike capabilities" - in other words, the 14 "enduring bases" Bush is building in Iraq.

[Rosemary2205]

4. Obama has talked repeatedly about "responsible withdrawal"

When he's elaborated I have always taken it as meaning the most responsible way to get out all our troops with getting the least number of American troops slaughtered as possible. -- and everyone I hear from Clark to Schwartzkoff to Keith Olbermann's pundits is saying pulling out is going to be awfully bloody.

[TahitiNut]

5. When both speak of a "security force" (of 40-50,000) and mention "training and education" ...

... of American workers when speaking of unemployment and off-shoring of jobs, I have to wonder how much clearer the infestation of corporatist/neofeudalist 'interests' has to be. It's appalling to me that ANYONE would blame American workers for the off-shoring of jobs to countries where the "training and education" is the lowest on the planet. When college graduates in the U.S. are asking "do you want fries with that," I want to see politicians in the bread line. When the "undocumented worker" problems involve people without a high school education, I want to off-shore those politicians. When the sole objective in Iraq is to manufacture an Oz where Iraqi oil is owned by global corporations and the people of Iraq are tossed some shekels from the passing limousines, I want to hand those politicians an M-16 and tell 'em to go to the front lines for their corporate masters.

[leftofthedial]

6. no

both qualify, hem and haw and use euphemisms for not quite advocating pulling out.

given their financial supporters, withdrawal in Hillary's case will never happen; in Osama's case it's unlikely for years and years.

[still_one]

8. That is the impression I get, with double speak /nt

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Obama Yes; Clinton Sorta

Obama has said that he'd pull out the troops - he'd leave some there IF they were invited by the Iraqi government AND they weren't getting attacked by the locals.

Mrs. Clinton has said that she'd pull some out, but would definitely leave an unspecified number there.

[still_one]

9. Interesting. I assume the invite by the Iraqi government doesn't involve arm twisting on our part

[MannyGoldstein]

10. I Hope Not - But The Troops Getting Attacked Part Is Pretty Clear n/t

[still_one]

11. Agreed /nt