This KBR and subcontractors and electical fires ect .

[blues90]

Anyone who has been an electrician for 40 years should have the common sense to personally check the wire to make certain that it is the proper gauge and rating be the real deal and always be suspect of the supplier .

You can't just look at the box that says 8 gauge solid copper 600 volt or look at the outside insulation markings or the dia of the insulation . you have to strip off the end and check the dame wire and the insulation type and thickness . At the very least wire up a test project with the required load and fuse and see if the circuit does not melt down and then if there is a problem reject the product .

To build you need to know what will be run off each circuit to properly design each circuit . You need to know the entire load being drawn .

Then you add in over site and an inspector , if things are not up to pare you are stopped and begin over the proper way .

Then you have the labor source , do they know what they are doing or not .

This KBR none bid contract stinks , someone told someone to go ahead and KBR and the subcontractors all are to blame .

This also brings in outsourcing , products built in China , most all of this is sent to the lowest bidder . I worked for ford many years and there are tons of recalls , some where about electical car fires because of subpare parts , wire or design and not built to spec . Some of this stuff would amaze consumers if they saw these cheap plastic parts and the thin wire and the melted product . These things should never happen , when they do the consumer suffers the most .

Think about it , we also have food safety issues , same thing , no over site , no inspections = people die .

In the old days when they built a car they went over board on everything , now that they have computers to use they know just what something will take to break and add a percentage . So the cooling system on your car has a very slim line between a known temp tolerance and complete failure . And people wonder why things just don't last very long .


Consider a tech working on your car at a dealership , he may get $20 an hour commission , the job , replace the dash , the actual job pays 2.5 hours but you know to do it right without electrical problems or rattles or some other problem it will take you 4 to 5 hours . you know because you have done this job several times before . now look at what you actually made per hour . Wonder why you have to come back for some problem that did not exist before . Many techs rush to get that $20 per hour .

This has become an huge problem that never used to exist and it's all about pressure and speed and the all mighty dollar .

[Cleita]

1. You are listening to the hearings are you?

This is what I think happened. Apparently they are hiring workers from other places in Asia that they no doubt can get very cheaply and KBR can pocket the profits from what did they say, twelve million or billion a day we are spending there to build this fortress? Since these workers probably come from rural areas, they are most likely illiterate and can't read instructions. So what seems like a simple, common sense task to us, is probably beyond the comprehension of someone who knows everything about planting rice but nothing about electricity and doesn't have the language skills to read up on it. MHO

[blues90]

2. Yes I am listening but couldn't take it another second .

What you said is certainly a big part of the problem , however the entire picture is much larger .

Who ever contracted this project had to go about it knowing the products were not up to pare and someone either ignored this knowingly or was told to . So even if the workers could not communicate there would be the same result . For someone to be electrically shocked there was no proper grounding , the workers are not experienced and no one is checking = no oversight .

The entire thing is a disaster and someone had to be in the know and let this happen . I can't blame the forced worker . It was all done on the cheap only for the profits . Now is KBR going to take the loss or is the american tax payer ?

[Cleita]

3. The American taxpayer of course.

I really wish there was a way KBR could be impounded, dismantled and its assets sold with proceeds returned to our treasury but isn't our VP "big dick" a major stockholder?

[blues90]

4. This is what happens with corporatism .

They arrived at their power and wealth through cheating and scams now they have the power we the people allowed .

It has come to the point where the average citizen needs to know how just about everything works in order to have prevented this , but then there is always greed without conscience that allows this to grow and spread . This really involves everything we deal with these days , from wars and the lies to poverty and death . Who are we to trust with so much greed for profit , I can't even trust the politicians for the truth .

[Cleita]

5. Yes, and if we don't use the words that describe them to a "T"

we are allowing them to go on their merry way. Asking that you don't call them Nazis is just that. People need to know that the same forces and ideology that brought down Nazi Germany are at work in our country today and we need to make people aware of this understand this, not cover up and make nicey words instead.

[blues90]

6. This is the troubling part

We are no so far into this madness and yet people still support these criminals . We have a media that paves the way for them and little access to voices of truth and opposition .

I don't see many if any politicians willing to just use the word liar .

We have perhaps one , Kucinich who will speak the truth and Al Gore and then Micheal Moore .

We are surrounded by massive lies and population ignorence .

I don't know how we are to get out of this mess when the idealogy has been ingrained in the publics minds .

How do you get people to fight back in every way they can , this includes consumerism , fuel and energy useage and then religion plus americans admiration of war machines and guns .

We can't just go on obeying the ruling class or the figures of authority and expect to fight out way through this . We can't continue on this so called road to progress when progress equals destruction in so many ways .


I just want it all to stop and for people to quietly look around to see the real picture but then you have to pull their attention away from the TV and back to some resemblance of reality . They must stop looking at the shiney things and shed the skins .