Republican, living on welfare, works to deny it to others who need it

[Morereason]

This is so typical! There are strong debates occurring there between neocon Christians and more aware Christians.

This is a prolific freeper who puts down the arguments of others for Nationalize Health care.
Turns out she is under 65, on Disability and Medicaire!!!! So she is on a socialized health care program and does here best to deny the same to others. Humbug.....

"Please correct yourself. I pay for my health insurance as & stated it is Medicaire, not medicaid as you mis-stated; why do I have it because I have been very open about treatments that I must recieve that I have no control over, that has "temporarily" removed me from the work-force.God willing it is not a permanent situation.I am not a senior citizen yet, but get Medicaire because I was an active worker most of my adult life.

I also very, very clearly stated that I have NEVER under "Medicaire" had a problem seeing my dr. (same day if needed); any specialists, nor been denied any medications. I do hear of others that do, but again as someone who has supervised at programs that assist the homeless, substance abuse addicted, veterans, runaway and abused youth,etc-bulk of that time @ Christian agencies; I am familiar as to how and navigate what can be a very complicated health care system.

Everything I am currently receiving I worked for as an active member of the workforce helping others as my career choice.

I am not nor have I ever ranted about Medicaire; but I do not generally support the type programs usually brought up by opportunists like my NY senator Hellary Clinton. "

"Hellory"? Was that on purpose or subliminal lol.

If you are comfortable you may wish to post your counter arguments on this forum. It is a very important site in the Christian world and there are strong debates going on both sides of the isle.

http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_2537940/mpage_6/key_/tm.htm#2575200

[Horse with no Name]

1. They never "get it"

It's only welfare when others use it...when they need it is because they deserve it.

[mitchtv]

2. Kind of like farmers...

mostly Repuke ,and collect subsidies. Everyone else is on welfare

[localroger]

20. Yeah, just like their abortions are the only OK ones /nt

[Horse with no Name]

22. Bingo. n/t

[rodeodance]

3. reminds me of the likes of Clarance Thomas

[liberal N proud]

4. Many farmers in the Iowa, Illinois and other states are doing virtually the same thing

Farmers are paid subsidies and in many cases very large subsidies in the tune of 100 - 400 thousand/year.
Yet a large number of those farmers have been historically republican and sit at local coffee shops and bitch and moan about the government programs that help the poor or grants to municipalities and schools.
All the while telling you how poor they are sitting in their brand new Ford F500 pickup truck.

When encountered about the subsidies, they will try to tell you it is different because it is a subsidy and not welfare.

Free money from the government, subsidy or welfare?

[murielm99]

10. The farm subsidy program does need to be reformed.

It needs to be capped. Certain types of farms and farmers need to be weaned off subsidies.

However, family farmers cannot survive without the subsidies. This issue is not as cut and dried as many here would have you believe. We are the owners of a family farm.

[liberal N proud]

11. I don't know what you get in subsidies but many are make hundreds of thousands

Some of them are not even farming any more and still taking in large sums from the government.

I was back in Iowa earlier this month, on the way across the state, I saw a couple of signs about welfare in a farmers field. Through the help of some fellow DU'rs I was able to determine this guy wasn't even farming the land yet was making money off of it from the government.
I also did some checking on some farmers in my home town in Iowa, one of my high school classmates received more than $400,000 last year. And to think that I had to help cover his dinner at the class reunion.

I am not anti farmer by any means, I know life on the farm can be tough, much of my family and former classmates are farmers and I remember growing up in Iowa. There were farmers just getting by while others were driving new cars, trucks and tractors ever year. All on government subsidies. And those were the ones that usually were Republican and usually griping about welfare and other government programs.

[murielm99]

18. And if you go into Minnesota,

many of the farmers are Democrats. They are getting the same subsidies, so why the difference?

Let's reform corporate welfare too, which eats up a much larger amount of money. The next President can do it all: clean up the Iraq war mess, sweep out all the corruption * has brought us, bring back the jobs, etc, etc. Good luck new President.

I know the system has to be changed. I know that absentee landlords have bought up many of the small farms around here and they make money from the subsidies. I know that large farmers get paid not to farm. But there are more family farmers than you realize. I see them in my area. I see them throughout the area in Iowa where my husband's family farm is still in the family. I see them in Minnesota, where the family farm is still in my father and his sibling's hands.

After my grandfather died, my grandma moved off the farm. My dad and his siblings bought the farm and turned it into a family corporation. They paid the taxes, but none of them took any money, except the uncle who farmed it and my grandma. As she aged, she could no longer live completely independently. They found her an assisted living facility. But she owned property, which disqualified her. And she made $16-20,000 a year, which also disqualified her. My uncle, who also made this amount, still had to work off the farm, for benefits and additional income. She sold back her share of the farm, and the family gave my uncle all the income. He was getting older, and it was harder for him to work off the farm.

My grandma's and uncle's incomes included the subsidies. Without them, they would have lived hand to mouth. The same is true of us and other family farmers. As it is, my neighbors who are small farmers do a lot of road farming. They plant, till and harvest for several farms not their own. That is how they survive. As far as our own property goes, many years we may as well work at MacDonald's. We would be earning more.

Be careful about the subsidy program. Yes, reform it. But if you eliminate it, no one will invest in American agriculture any more. We have enough problems with overseas products and processing as it is.

You do seem to know something. But many DUers are quick to jump on this, and they know nothing about it. Or, they think they know because their families lived on farms a generation or two ago. They are quick to condemn, too, because they think all farmers are Republicans.

Don't send me links and articles. Come and live on a family farm for two or three years. Walk in our shoes, then talk to me.

[Mend]

5. it is spelled "Medicare" ....if she "supervised programs and navigated a

very complicated health system" she would know that. She would also know that Democrats started Social Security and Medicare and without it she would be shit out of luck and money.

[melody]

6. My fundie Christian Bush-loving neighbor is on MediCal

They don't "get it". They never will.

[dollie300]

7. We owe it to our nation to go there and explain a few things to these

neo-Christians who evidently that Jesus Christ is supposed to be the head of their belief system. So much of what is written about what Christ stood for and the things he is quoted as saying is just the opposite of what the neo-Christian fascists expouse to ignorant sheeple.

[CountAllVotes]

8. the absolute ignorance amazes me!

These people don't seem to know the difference between Medicare and MEDICAID - two entirely different programs.

One covers those that paid into it and worked; income is of no consequence. Many retirees from companies are on Medicare and have supplemental plans as part of their pensions. These supplemental plans are not cheap. Some people pay as much as $500 a month for Medicare w/supplemental insurance.

Someone please tell me why this is so wonderful? "Medicare for All" will not solve this problem if indeed it is a problem as it now stands. The more you pay on top on the Medicare premium, the more supplemental insurance you have if you can afford it. It really is that simple ... and costly too.

For others that are indigent, old, and/or disabled most likely - it is this specific population group that would find and need to use Medicaid.

Many people on Medicare do not qualify for Medicaid as they are not indigent, esp. if they are receiving pensions, or have other income. If they end up broke before they are dead, then yes, they would qualify for Medicaid before they die.






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[Morereason]

12. It would be great if DUrs posted there. It is a place we could have an impact

The forum is lively, but there are thousands of young people who are forming opinions who read but do not post on Crosswalk forums. I wish more Christians particularly, with progressive ideals, would post there. We have to branch out and let young people know that many Christians disagree with the neocon Christian view!

[Morereason]

14. Thank you for the information

I had not realised the difference. Medicaire is what most elderly people have right? It is expensive? The repub in the OP said he/she pays $100/month for it. That sounds more like a social program, as surely the cost of that program to the state is much much higher? Is Medicaire supposed to have a trust fund and be socked away like social security?

[CountAllVotes]

17. Is Medicare supposed to have a trust fund and be socked away like social security

Yes, it is just like social security. If you don't pay into Medicare you don't qualify to get it period.

It is not an entitlement, you pay into out of your paychecks (this practice began in 1983).

People that are eligible to enroll in it often must enroll in if, esp. if they are retired from a company. They have no choice.

It ranges in cost from abt. $95.00-$115.00 a month depending upon your income. Most people pay the $95.00 a month. There are deductibles, etc. They do not pay for many things; hence the reason for supplemental coverages to pay for longer hospital stays, etc.

Medicaid is for the child born with cerebral palsy or the person who has a severe disability and is in a nursing home for life in some cases. In other cases, it assists the poor/sick/disabled and the elderly. They don't pay anything for this as they are indigent as I mentioned before.

As for the Christian forum, I think I'll pass on that offer.


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[TahitiNut]

9. Notice the pervasive "I-ism"? The presumption of superiority?

"... I pay ... my health ... I have ... I have ... I must ... I have ... me ... I am ... I was ... my adult life ... I also ... I have ... my dr. ... I do ... I am ... I am ... I worked ... my career ... I am .. I ever ... I do ... my NY senator ..."

Disgusting. :puke:

[Bluebear]

13. What an uplifting "Christian" poll they feature!

Michael Moore's Sicko Attack On The American Character


He's brilliant/MULTIPLE CHOICE
10% (8)
I agree w/ his politics
5% (4)
He's big (pun intended)
9% (7)
Don't like his films
13% (10)
Don't like his politics
13% (10)
His Iraq film was a disgrace
9% (7)
His pro socialized medicine stand ridiculous
15% (11)
The more they show him @ dem 08 Conven.-better for the GOP
15% (11)
Other/Explain
6% (5)

And the avatars...



I had almost forgotten that only Christian Republicans were victims on 9/11.

[Morereason]

15. Yes. This person posts constant propaganda that is biased. Even the polls

[Morereason]

16. Maybe some recs? Keep it from sinking so we can get some DUrs to post there :P

[ProgressiveEconomist]

19. Could be a "mad at the world" new dialysis patient, with plenty of time to sit and post

From http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0795/is_nSUPP_v14/ai_14804342 :

"Basis of entitlement

There are three basic entitlement categories: persons 65 years of age or over who are eligible for retirement under Social Security or the railroad retirement system, persons under 65 years of age who have been entitled for at least 2 years to disability benefits under Social Security or the railroad retirement system, and persons with ESRD (end-stage renal disease) who do not otherwise meet the age or disability requirements. The latter two groups together are known as the "under 65" enrollees."

If so, just wait until she falls into the "part D doughnut hole"--she may change her tune. See http://kidneydiseases.about.com/od/medications/a/medicarepartd.htm .

[CountAllVotes]

21. hey hey!

Good catch and I bet you are right. The profile sure fits doesn't it? I couldn't quite figure it out and the ESRD thing had me baffled.

I learned more today. Thank you & it sounds like someone needs a kidney! :)

:dem:

[Morereason]

24. Take a look at all of her other posts.. Her posts dominate the boards there. She is rabid

http://forums.crosswalk.com/forumid_34/p_1/tmode_1/smode_1/tt.htm

[ProgressiveEconomist]

25. Read between the lines. To me, she sounds, alone, terrified, and terminal. I picture

her sitting or lying alone in a suburban bedroom, typing into a laptop as she watches a TV set that's never tuned to anything but "Fox Noise".

Just wait til her bank account is drained by her disease, if she lives that long. Then ask her again how satisfied she is with her doctor and her prescription costs.

[Morereason]

26. Yes, I agree. But in the mean time she is spreading falshoods in a very effective forum

[NorthernSpy]

23. Subsidy for me, but not for thee. Safety net for me, but not for thee. Rescue from...

... the cruelties of life for me, but not for thee.


All the benefits of living in an advanced, enlightened modern society for me; bootstraps, personal responsibility, and the savagery of the "free" market for you.


:eyes:


So typical of a certain kind of rightie.