Who are the people who are mindlessly accusing Tillman's fellow Rangers of murdering him?

[brentspeak]

Fortunately, about 90% of DUers who have commented on the Tillman-was-murdered conspiracy theories who done so with some prudence; unfortunately, there've been about 10% who've been mindlessly throwing murder accusations at specifically-named Rangers within Tillman's unit.

Clue to the accusers: By all accounts, Tillman's fellow Rangers were good friends with him. It's bad enough that they a) lost their friend; but b) have to endure it with faceless members of the public accusing them of killing their friend on purpose.

There should be a DU rule on this topic: anyone who accuses a specific Ranger of murdering Pat Tillman on these boards must also reveal his or her own real name. (Actually, DU isn't alone on this; I've seen similar accusations on this topic made in other boards, including conservative/RW boards.)

Hey, what's fair is fair, right? :shrug:

[cynatnite]

1. No one should be jumping to conclusions like that at all, IMO n/t

[Swamp Rat]

2. "Maybe you don't know what the freak you're talking about."

:rofl:

[qdemn7]

4. And YOU do? n/t

[Swamp Rat]

5. and YOU? n/t

[qdemn7]

3. That's because

It's easy to hide behind an anonymous handle and accuse people of murder. Knowing full well not ONE of these assholes accusing soldiers of murder would DARE have the courage to do so face-to-face. Since they know they would risk getting their delicate asses severely, and deservedly, beaten.

[me b zola]

16. **You**presume to know the courage of any poster on this message board?

What a stupid assumption. Further more, you seem to be assuming that liberals are "delicate". Hmmmm.

In the real world--meaning any of us who are not part of the * cartel--would be charged with 1st degree murder for covering up a murder and/or impeding the investigation by destroying evidence of the crime.


May I salute you on the most horrible post that I have seen in quite a while :hurts:

[acmavm]

21. Or maybe shot three times in the forehead at fairly close range by

'friendly fire'?

[Richard Steele]

24. Well, SOMEONE murdered the man. Someone very close. So who was very close?

[IChing]

25. The two snipers that were in the convoy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1463410

[Richard Steele]

30. Unlikely. Snipers make it a point to only shoot you ONCE.

And I don't think any snipers are using .223 caliber weapons,
as a general rule.

The coroners actually saw the body, so I'd say that their professional
opinion is the one to trust most: 3 M16 rounds at less than 10 yards.

[IChing]

31. Being snipers they are expertly trained in the use of all firearms.

That close of range excludes friendly fire with three accurate head shots in my opinion.
I hadn't read about the two snipers before today.

The story just gets curiouser and curiouser.
Which begs the question, why would the white house need executive privilege?
So to me this thread is mute.

[Swamp Rat]

6. Where are you brentspeak? ... You called me out.

This thread is aimed at me, so where are you, big guy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1457861&mesg_id=1463365

[Bobbieo]

14. This whole bloody mess would have been avoided if the army

had told the truth from the very beginning. Now, there are too many versions of the same story out there which is giving rise to all kinds of conspiracy theories.

[Richard Steele]

35. Waht, he dint have teh balz to match hiz mouth?

I wish I was surprised to learn of this.

Seriously- some folks are just such obvious CARICATURES,
they make me LONG for an occasional unpredicted move.

[Swamp Rat]

7. C'mon, if you're going to skirt DU rules, let's go!

:D

[Swamp Rat]

8. "I'm singing in the rain...."

"Doop doo doodydoody..."

:D

[IChing]

10. I'm waiting here too

I liked to hear from our favorite disinformation operative on this.

[Swamp Rat]

11. I'm already bored

It's a 'no show'.

I guess I'll go read. :hi:

[Swamp Rat]

9. Thought so.

pfffft! :rofl:

:hi:

[bahrbearian]

12. The Conclusions the DU can come too in Translating propaganda

is amazing,, Speaking for the 10%

[karlrschneider]

13. Some, or many, of us just want to know exactly -who- killed him

and why. So far there don't seem to be many credible answers...I think that's really about all it amounts to.

[Swamp Rat]

15. Ok, don't speak, brent.

Forever hold your piece. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

See you later, brentspeak ;) :hi:

[dailykoff]

17. If there's an abomination this gang wouldn't stoop to,

I'd like to know what it is. Tillman was murdered in cold blood by his own army and that's a fact.

[ellenfl]

18. yeah, and the grunts serving time now for abu ghraib

thought it up all by themselves, as convicted. haven't we learned anything yet? whatever smells is bushco sh*t. count on it.

ellen fl

[Captain Hilts]

19. I'm uncomfortable with such conclusions also. But the physicians that attended to his body...

thought the wounds looked very suspicious.

Let's hear from them.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. I don't know if anyone murdered Tillman and I don't know who was in his unit

But the destruction of evidence (if those stories are true about the intentional destruction of his uniform and journal) if accomplished by the same person or persons in his unit would suggest a guilty mind. It's something a prosecutor would certainly jump on and introduce into evidence at trial to show guilt in building the case. Add to that the cover-up after the fact by the military and the White House, and you've got controversy and questions about whether or not he was murdered. I agree with you about naming specific names at this point and I don't think we should be stating point blank with assuance that he was murdered but I think questioning how he died is legitimate. Hopefully, we will have a thorough investigation by the Congress but I won't hold my breath.

[brentspeak]

22. That's an attitude and a point of view I can agree with

I appreciate it. Thanks also to Mookie, Qdem, Cynatrite, and the others here who've demonstrated some common-sense judiciousness on this topic.

[Blue_In_AK]

33. That's the way I look at this, too...

Somewhere there are people who know the truth. Maybe someday we'll all know -- or maybe not. I do think the cover-up points to an underlying criminal act by someone, and obstruction of justice, at the very least, obviously occurred, which seems to be this administration's modus operandi. Somebody was, and still is, attempting to benefit by keeping the truth about Pat Tillman's death a secret. We need to figure out who that is. My guess is it goes to the top.

[Spinzonner]

23. Is there a grassy knoll nearby ?

[alfredo]

26. bush shouldn't be hiding

the pentagon behind a wall of executive privilege. Even the perception of a cover up will lead people to assume the worst.

[ChazII]

27. Your words are wise.

[EFerrari]

28. The doctors who conducted the autopsy.

:shrug:

[cynatnite]

29. The doctors are not accusing the other rangers of murdering him...

at least that's not what I read.

[LisaL]

34. Three shots into the forehead? Possibly from a short distance?

Is that sort of thing common in friendly fire accidents?
And I am not accusing anyone of killing him. I simply find the details of his death kind of suspicious, and it seems so did the Drs. who performed an autopsy.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. You're Right Brentspeak. Unfortunately, Some Of The Like Clockwork Knee Jerkers Use The Report As

some absolute proof for their whacked out conspiracy theories.

Granted, I'm not saying anyone believing something's awry here is whacked out, since I think something's awry as well. I'm talking about the ones that take it, run with it, sensationalize it, and act like they've got it all figured out already and make these ridiculous over the top declarations.

In this case, to actually accuse some in his unit by NAME as murdering him is a huge sign of intellectual flaw. I agree with you that whoever is doing so is doing so mindlessly. I'm always a bit disappointed when important details come out on some things and the same group of knee jerk drama queens hype it up and come to ridiculous or reckless tin foil conclusions. I mean, someone said earlier bush was gonna get a murder rap out of this. I mean seriously, c'mon now.

But I hadn't seen anybody call someone in his unit out by name as a murderer, but after further research of this thread am not surprised one bit by who had done so. I'm used to seeing illogical and over dramatized premises with no credibility from that poster. I generally tune them out completely due to that. But I agree with you that in this case those statements were over the top and wrong, and good on you for ignoring the poster's childish stupidity in this thread.

[brentspeak]

36. Thanks, Mindcrime

:)