The real reason I support Hillary? Bill. There I said it

[nadine_mn]

Yup I admit it - forget the whole its time for a female president, forget any of her policies...I don't care.

I know, I know - Bill will be put on the back burner, so there is no question who is president, I don't care.

I know he is not perfect, still don't care.

So why Bill?

1.He already has established relations (not that kind...I don't think) with foreign leaders, and since we sooooo need to repair the damage done.
2.The right has already tried everything to discredit him and Hillary - everything from impeachment, to whitewater, to accusing them of murder, you name it they have done it. And the Clintons come out stronger and the right slimier.
3.And its a huge F U to the right - the Clintons, for reasons I don't understand, are like the boogey men for the right wing. They so hate the Clintons, I want them back in the whitehouse.

If people can vote for a president they most want to have a beer with, my reasons are as good as any. I am tired of hiding behind nobler reasons for wanting Hillary. Forget more cow bell, I need more Bill.

For those getting ready to slam me, save it. At least I am honest for my reasons.

[Patsy Stone]

1. I hear ya

:thumbsup:

The idea of gratuitous shots of Bill, in addition to the good things he could do, are very tempting. I miss him.

[SharonRB]

9. Fancy meeting you on this thread!

If Hillary gets the nomination, Bill will be the main thing making me feel okay with it. If she can win the general, I'm okay with it -- I'd love to have him back in the WH for another 8 years. I actually think she'd make a good president, but I'm not convinced she can witn the general. I will not be voting for her in our caucus in February (or whenever it winds up being), but if she gets the nomination, I will fully support her.

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

11. Where else would I be?

Bill :loveya:

I feel pretty much the same way, Sharon. And anyone is better than the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

:hi:

[SharonRB]

39. That's for damn sure!

If I can't have Al, I may have to settle for Hillary (but at least I'll get Bill :loveya: as part of the deal).

I'm almost done reading "Armed Madhouse," though, and some of the stuff I'm reading about Bill and Al related to NAFTA, etc. isn't making me happy. I wasn't paying as much attention in those days. Hopefully all of the Dems have learned from those mistakes and will try to fix things. Sounds like Ross Perot knew what he was talking about and a lot of what he warned against has come to pass. We certainly feel it here in Michigan.

[Colobo]

2. At least you are honest.

[Esra Star]

3. When Bill was president, I think he would concede that it was

a team thing anyway. So having the successful team back will be a good thing.

[zabet]

4. I miss Bill....

[Cameron27]

5. That thought's crossed my mind more than once ROFL

[sandnsea]

6. And we can do better than Bill

Who couldn't get us real health reform, who traded old growth for ski developments, who forgot the most important elements in trade bills - OUR rights, whose triangulating language set back the progressive movement so far that we lost bigger and bigger chunks of the country until old school Democrats started standing up and taking it back.

BILL is the reason I don't support Hillary. We really and truly can do better.

[Raine]

8. I agree, I loved Bill when he was prez BUT

looking back he sure didn't do much for liberals, he let so much slide. I get disgusted thinking of the wasted opportunity he had and missed cause he was so busy with Monica. All the trouble that brought, keeping him occupied and unattending to important things.

[cui bono]

37. I agree except that he's not the reason I don't support Hillary.

I don't support her because I don't trust her for a second. She can't admit her vote on the IWR was a huge mistake. She panders constantly to try to get votes. Her connections are dubious. I don't think she's progressive enough at all. And she will get the Republican vote out and possibly cost us the presidency if she wins the primary. If she cared about our country she would drop out.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. Ok, that's fair, however, wasn't Bill kissing up to George Bush Sr.?

That behavior terrifies me. Then there is NAFTA and all that.

Looking back in retrospect at the Clinton presidency, I'm disappointed. Granted, President Clinton was nearly brought down by those maggots called the GOP, but Clinton himself wasn't even really a left lefty. He was pretty darn conservative and let a lot of stuff pass that he should've vetoed. :(

They made his life a living hell, and then goes and high fives Republicans. There's something very very wrong with this picture.

But that's not why I will not be voting for his wife. I won't be voting for his wife because this is one hell of a redneck country. There's a lack of maturity and education here that baffles the mind. It's scary how sexist and racist this country is. I think the Republicans *want* Democrats to have either a female or a black candidate. Nobody knows as well as Republicans how sexist and racist this country is. They know there's no way they'll win the presidency this time around unless we have a candidate that this sexist, racist country will refuse to allow to be president.

[SharonRB]

10. Unfortunately, I think you're right

I'm still holding out for Gore, and if he really doesn't run, I think I'm going with Richardson. I think he's more electable than Hillary or Obama.

[sandnsea]

12. Except we vote state to state

And some of the most racist states have the most minorities. That actually could be enough to get out enough of the vote to put states into play that nobody expected. Don't forget where many minority Congressmen and Mayors are at. As to Hillary, I don't think her sex will be an issue. I don't think many women will be drawn to her just for the sake of voting in a woman, but I don't think we'll lose any men over her either.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. A country that would give even 1 vote to a GWB a second time, is a racist, sexist country

[sandnsea]

40. I'm not giving into it

You go on ahead and spread that shit if you want to. I think exploiting the bigotry of a minority to scare people into not voting for a minority or woman is just as pathetic as the bigotry itself. As John Edwards said, if that's your thinking, he doesn't want your vote.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. My only concern is this: MAKING SURE WE DON'T GET ANOTHER NAZI ADMINISTRATION

If that means I don't get a woman in the White House; and if that means I don't get a black in the White House I DO NOT CARE! You evidently are unaware of what happened during the Third Reich. People living during the Third Reich weren't thinking about whether or not there was a woman leader. They were thinking about how to SAVE THEIR LIVES from the GESTAPO. At this point in time risking having Nazis in the White House again just to please your whims of having a woman in the White House is just not the brightest idea. And, by the way, I'm a woman and a feminist. However, I am too well read on fascism, and it affected my ancestors too directly for me to be so flippant and whiny about throwing it all overboard just to please my whims.

Wake up!

[nadine_mn]

13. True...I agree, he could have done better

I would love to have a real progressive in office - but when I look at the field of candidates...I think Kucinich, Obama, Edwards, would be soooo besieged by the right wing to make them nearly ineffective. We have seen it before, dear god they actually had people believing that Al Gore said he invented the internet. Our country is a mess - I would hate to see our next pres spending all their time fighting off the repubs. Clintons have been there done that, they can start us healing.

[DutchLiberal]

19. So you won't vote for Kucinich out of *fear* what the right-wing will do to him?

Don't you see that's exactly the same cowardly (I'm sorry) behavior what Fox & friends accuse Democrats/liberals off. We have to stop fearing them. The country isn't at their side anymore. We have to present a *real* alternative to the people instead of Republican-light. Going back to the 'base' worked for Republicans the past 6 years, so why won't Democrats do the same?

[nadine_mn]

21. You are right - I won't

because until more people vote, more people demand something more than this stupid 2 party system, I can't vote my conscience - I can only vote for the non-right winger who can win the vote.

Its cynical, but I had my dreams shattered in 2000 with Nader and the stealing of the election.

[DutchLiberal]

29. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: "Hillary is going to win, SO I'll vote for her"???

I don't understand this 'logic', that somehow everybody will vote for Hillary because they think she will win. NO, she will only win BECAUSE you vote for her. If you don't want her, don't vote for her.

If everybody who thought what you just expressed would instead vote for Kucinich, he might get the nomination and then who knows... he might actually win.

[cui bono]

38. Going centrist is a lot of what has cost Dems votes. We need to go left.

We need to go more progressive. It's where the people are. We need to make what is now considered centrist the right again, which is what it is and have a real left. I think you're doing the same thing Pelosi is doing and wimping out. You're playing it safe when we need to be bold. The people are on our side, we need a real progressive leader to take us to the finish line.

[Raine]

16. I agree and

unfortunately if we don't come up with an electable white male our side is screwed. :-(

[DutchLiberal]

18. What concerns me more is that Hillary took money from Murdoch

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. What scares me is that Murdoch gave money to Sen. Clinton.

Whenever right wingers give money to lefties, is because they believe those lefties to be weaker, and they benefit by having them run either by having a weak Dem candidate, or by having another left candidate to water down left wing votes.

[Colobo]

14. Let's turn the page with Barack Obama.

A new era in American politics is needed, and he's the candidate that can make it happen.

[nadine_mn]

27. maybe...but if he wins the primary

I doubt he will survive to the election. Strong, popular democrats have a tendency to die at the height of their popularity. Coincidence or conspiracy? After hearing more about the Tillman case, the lengths the Justice department went at the prodding of the right to eliminate the black vote, I don't trust anyone anymore.

[BlooInBloo]

15. She's only my 3rd of 4th choice, But that's only a statement of how strong the field is...

... I think DUers really only want to impress "centrists" (ie republicans) with their I-hate-clinton-more-than-thou-ness.

[DutchLiberal]

17. Bill won't be president. Hillary will.

And Hillary voted for:

The Iraq war
Funding for the Iraq War
Patriot Act
Military Commissions Act (which gives Bush the authority to say you are an enemy combatant, lock you up indefinitely without a trial or lawyer, and have you tortured)

So you want to vote for all that because Bill is your favorite First Lady?

[nadine_mn]

24. Please reread my post

You are missing my point...

I said I don't care about Hillary, and I know she will be prez not Bill.

I said my reasons, you bet they are illogical and unreasonable...and I don't care. Its my vote, if people can decide elections on likability, religion, and race....why can't I.

Its not who is more qualified, because the best doesn't always win. I just don't have the stomach to watch the republicans destroy another democrat. If you doubt my sincerity in that double check my avatar - I don't want to lose another one.

[DutchLiberal]

30. Why would you want to elect somebody based on illogical reasons? That's what Republicans do.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't make sense at all. If you fear what the right might do to your favorite candidate, then you shouldn't pay attention to it. Just ignore them. You are giving them exactly what they want. You play right into their hands.

[nadine_mn]

41. sorry the tongue-in-cheekness escaped you nt

[DutchLiberal]

42. Sometimes, I'm not sure, so I go with the serious response just to be sure.

;)

[TahitiNut]

22. The real reason I support _____? Elizabeth. There I said it

:evilgrin:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. I love Edwards. nt

[rucky]

28. Either Elizabeth would work for that blank.

Hubba-Squared!

[TahitiNut]

33. Yep. You got it.

:thumbsup:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Which is one of the reasons I don't support her.

[1620rock]

31. Hillary is fine, anyone but a repuke is fine.

[cynatnite]

32. I see her husband as a plus...but he's not why I might vote for her...

It'll be because I think she can win, she's the best person for the job and her being a woman is a definite plus, IMO.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

34. One of the reasons I don't support Hillary is Bill's responsibity for NAFTA.

He threw the working class under the bus for his corporate masters so fuck the Clintons forever.

[MasonJar]

35. Bill Clinton tried to get universal health care. Hill was his lieutenant.

Please remember that the Pugs controlled the Senate a major part of Bill Clinton's presidency. They were not going to let him do anything. Go Hill! Go Bill! My first choice is Gore, but Hill is second.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. I Think She'd Do Great On Her Own Merits, But I Too Also LOVE The Thoughts Of Bill Being Home Again.

:)

[Raejeanowl]

43. Thanks For The Honesty

And accepting everything you said at face value, the first thing that went through my head was, and just what/whom do you think was behind Bill, on the back burner? He'd probably be the first to (sincerely) admit her indispensability to him.