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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:17 AM
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FBI, Congress: Sibel Edmonds case 'unclassified'
Former FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds is the most gagged woman in US history. Attorney General John Ashcroft twice invoked the rarely used States Secrets Privilege in her case under the guise of classified secrets and protecting national security.

In a recent speech, Sibel again emphasized that the reason that she has been gagged is not for reasons of national security, but rather to cover-up criminality, treason, by high level US officials.

As evidence for this claim, Sibel explained that for the three months prior to Ashcroft blanket-gagging her case, the FBI was conducting unclassified briefings for Congress on the case.

In other words, from the beginning, neither Congress, nor the FBI, even considered that this information might be classified, let alone a 'national security' issue.

As Michael Ostrolenk, National Director of the Liberty Coalition, said: "The excuse of protecting national security is fallacious."


(grfx love to One Pissed Off Liberal)

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During the Q&A session after the speech, Sibel was asked where we should draw the line between disclosure and national security. Sibel responded thusly mp3 - 3 mins)"

I can tell you, just from my case (and from other whistleblower cases that I've represented) it almost doesn't deal with any classified information at all. That's why they went and retroactively classified the information.

Even with Congress, one important thing that I have tried to emphasize - and unfortunately the mainstream media is not there really as far as these real issues are concerned... When I went to Congress, I didn't know which Congressmen, Congresswomen, Senators to go to! Because part of my case dealt with our representatives, (and this was based on some counter-intelligence operations) were getting cash bribery from foreign governments. And when I internally started reporting this, and it was not getting anywhere, this great agent that I worked with... said:

"Well, let's say you go to Congress. How are you going to determine who is clean to go to?"


And to me that was really sobering, because he told me:

Just based on Turkish counter-intelligence operations, you know of FOUR corrupt congressional people. Take a look at this room (of translators), we have the Chinese Department, we have, you know, the Arabic, including Saudi Arabia and everything. How many (other corrupt Congressfolk) do you think they have come across?


When the two Senators, Senator Leahy and Senator Grassley, one Democrat and one Republican, they heard this information, the FBI discussed the entire case with them during an unclassified meeting - meaning the staff members present during that meeting, none - or most - of them didn't have clearances. <strong>So the FBI had decided in the beginning that this was not classified</strong>. What happened later? 3 months later? when the Attorney General says 'Oops, this is really going to hurt us' - meaning those who were guilty - 'so we're going to decide to classify it'


I'm a bit of a dunce, and I'd never fully appreciated this. Sibel has repeatedly mentioned that she often had to suggest that certain hearings be held inside SCIFs (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities) but I had presumed that was simply because the Senate Judiciary Committee staffers didn't really know what they were doing. But here we have the FBI - presumably Counter-Intelligence agents who likely know a thing or two about classification, secrecy and national security - confirming Sibel's allegations in unclassified sessions with Congress.

As I said, I'm a dunce. The ACLU timeline on Sibel's case reads:
"JUNE 2002: Senators Grassley and Leahy write the Justice Department Inspector General a letter asking specific questions about Edmonds' allegations and write that <strong>the FBI has confirmed many of her allegations in unclassified briefings</strong>. This letter is later retroactively classified in May 2004."


You'd think that I'd have understood this already. That's the beauty of the Sibel Edmonds case - there's always something 'new' to learn. And this week I learnt that even the FBI didn't think that the information in Sibel's case deserved to be classified, even as a precaution.

(The 75 min video of Sibel's recent ALA speech is available here (500meg) )

Let Sibel Edmonds Speak

Call Waxman. Demand public open hearings:
DC phone: (202) 225-3976
LA phone: 323 651-1040
Capitol switchboard phone: 800-828-0498
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:38 AM
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1. orange
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:49 AM
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2. Kick for Sibel N/T
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:57 AM
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3. K & R. Once again corporate owned MSM ...
...shills for BushCo.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:12 AM
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4. they refuse to mention her
apparently mueller mentioned sibel in his testimony on thursday/friday(?) but not a single media refernece to it (i cant even find it in the testimony yet)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:15 AM
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5. sibel email list
as usual, let me know if you want to be added to my email list so that you are alerted whenever i post a new 'sibel' thread
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:42 AM
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10. I'd like to be added to your list please.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:31 PM
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28. i'll need your email address n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:18 AM
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6. K & R
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:27 AM
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7. Thank you for keeping this front & center, Luke!!
Sibel's case is too "political" for all these crooks our tax dollars are supporting. I wish there was someone honest enough in congress who would push for this to get out.

:kick::kick::kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:31 AM
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8. Thanks lukery. That will help in my approach.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:36 AM
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9. bed time here in oz
sorry i have to leave

i'll be back in a few hours to answer any questions etc
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:45 AM
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12. Sleep good.
It's morning here in Wonderland.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:44 AM
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11. I bet Hastert is one of the dirty ones...nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:46 AM
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13. Pretty much already established.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 05:55 PM
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25. dirty with suitcases full of money
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:24 AM
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14. K&R n/t
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:24 AM
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15. K&R
Excellent post as always, Lukery.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:11 AM
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16. Exactly. Sibel's case is another symptom of why government is afraid
to fully investigate or even discuss the depth of misdeeds on our behalf: some on both sides of the aisle are guilty. At least that's what we have to assume when we see what's going on with oversight in this area.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:46 AM
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18. Absolutely!
Well-put.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:49 AM
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19. Everywhere I've turned
I've hit a brick wall. I'm still looking for a crack. I'm approaching it on the Homeland Security end. Definitely more encompassing IMO.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 12:35 PM
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20. I'm still deeply frustrated with the congressmen and 9/11
commissioners who know the information (can't claim ignorance) and will not help her. Don't they realize that, when this stuff eventually hits mainstream, the spotlight will be on them for hiding crucial info that ties 9/11, corruption, Iraq, DSM, and other things evil all together?

Do they sleep at night knowing that a true patriot is putting everything on the line while they protect industries, corrupt politicians, and rogue governments from transparency?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 02:36 PM
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21. I have no answer. I can't fathom why they even won't
give anyone the time of day. Are they hoping it goes away perhaps?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:15 PM
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29. "Everybody Knows"
Here is my "Everybody Knows" clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHnIyGWEz_Y
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:32 AM
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17. Kick & Nominated
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 04:18 PM
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22. K&R, I suppose if too many congresspeople are indicted all at once...
it could be viewed as a national security issue.

:sarcasm:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 05:40 PM
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23. k+r
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 05:54 PM
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24. so how far has Congress got in hearing her case?
Judge Walton silenced her saying it was a national security issue. What we might ask?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:17 PM
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30. Congress knows
Congress has heard the story a number of times, backed up by documents and other witnesses - but it was all behind closed doors... and nothing ever happens.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:22 PM
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51. if there is corruption it must be investigated
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 05:57 PM
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26. Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:09 PM
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27. Hottdamn! That is a good bit of information. K&R
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:23 PM
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31. k& r
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:27 PM
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32. Did sibel edmonds also say
that the aliens crashed in roswell, new mexico in 1947?
I heard that is also classified, maybe she new something about it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:40 PM
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33. So are you saying Edmonds isn't credible?
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:46 PM
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34. As a Turk I questioned a few things said by her
but her supporters were more interested in attacking me then answering my questions? There are many inconsistencies in her words.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:48 PM
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35. Such as....
:shrug:

Or are we to trust your words only because you are a Turk?
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:50 PM
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36. So when I question sibel edmonds on some things
you naturally think Im a neo-con or something.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:54 PM
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37. What is it that you question about her?
You said "There are many inconsistencies in her words."

I'm asking you for an example of these inconsistencies you have observed.

Can you provide one or two examples, or are you going to continue with the defensive posturing as a smokescreen?
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:00 PM
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39. Edmonds said she was attacked (death threats) by major
Turkish newspapers in Turkey, that was a lie. I follow the news almost daily from television and the internet. There is nothing about her in the media not even a bleep in all those years.
She said that thens of thousands of people were murdered by the state in Turkey in the last 10 years, another lie. Not even amnesty has anything about it.
Just recently she smeared a Turkish company who has absolutely no business but the government of Turkey instead it is an islamist company hated by our secular elites and the military.
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:14 PM
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48. Welcome Grey Wolf
Orrin_73,

Here you are again, trying to do your Sibel bashing. Don't you realize that by now everyone knows who you are and where your allegence lies? For those who might not know, they can do a little research on Turkish "Grey Wolves" & Fascism.

Just to show your bias, I just did a google on Sibel Edmonds and Turkish Media and in a couple of minutes came up with the following news media in Turkey that ran articles on her:

Hurriyet – multiple articles, including a front page story
Milliyet
Yeni Safak
Haber Vitrini (Internet)
Turkish ABC affiliate Channel 7 News
Star Gazette
Turkish Daily News

You must have pulling a Rip Van Winkle for the past 5 years. For someone as Turkish as you, I don't know how you missed all of them.

Please do us all a favor and go back in your cave.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:17 AM
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64. Your calling me a grey wolf, I take that as a compliment
ajeffersonian you are such a fraud, none of these media threatened her. Show me proof that she was attacked and threatened with dead in those newspapers!!!!
She claimed that thens of thousands of people dissapeared in Turkey in the last 10 years, where is the proof. Just recently she smeared a company (Ihlas), her lies dont stop but continue.
My allegiance lies with my own people, nation and religion and not with the US or its people like edmonds. Frauds like you are accustomed to people who betray their nation and people for the well being of the USA, not me.


I dont know who Rip Van Winkle is and have never heard of himt, Im a Turk, I guess he is a relative of yours.

You should crawl under the rock were you came from.
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:53 AM
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71. response to Grey Wolf
Orrin_73

Of course you would take it as a compliment, and of course it wasn't meant as one - just as an identifier as to who you are - thank you for your confirmation. You will continue to make insinuations and pretend that you are just raising questions & just asking for answers, and you will ignore the answers you get. Because your agenda is to try to smear Sibel Edmonds, not to participate in a discussion of the issues raised by her case.

For example, in your previous post you stated, and I quote: "There is nothing about her in the media not even a bleep in all those years."

Then when just a quick Google search turned up a whole list, you didn't come back with "maybe I was wrong", or " I missed those", but instead tried to divert it to something else.

You are who you are, and I probably shouldn't bother wasting my time responding, but I wanted to just do enough for others on DU to understand who you are, and understand why anything you say is tainted.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:05 PM
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72. I assume you have read all
those newspapers, then show me where did they threatened her? The only mention about her was that she was a wistleblower, there were no dead threaths against her, NONE. You too failed to provide any link about that. What about the thens of thousands of dissapearances in Turkey in the last then years as she claimed, not even amnesty international has any mention about it and there are many of those claims of her. Unsubstantiated CLAIMS.
Please dont talk about a political party in Turkey you dont know anything about it.
Edmonds is smearing the Turkish people, their religion and the reoublic of Turkey. Byte way when is her book comming out and how much does she ask for speaking engagements, I gues mathew and sibel edmonds are a wealthy couple now.
Unlike you I know what Im talking about and unlike edmonds my patriotism is to my people and nation and not the USA.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:20 PM
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73. The burden of proof lies with you on those issues.
Edited on Tue Jul-31-07 12:20 PM by mmonk
You made the claims, now back them up (quotes would help with corresponding invalidations). I find some are over sensitive about any criticism of Turkey, even when they are not an issue with Americans. Nobody in the US that I'm aware of is pushing breaking off the relationship between Turkey and the U.S.. Most think of Turkey as an ally.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:31 PM
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75. Edmonds made those claims I questioned
them, they can be found in many interviews she gave. The archives of many Turkish newspapers are free and online, you can search for it. You can also go the website of amnesty international and look for other claim.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:57 PM
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76. I have no problem with researching.
What I'm trying to say is this thread is about someone hired by the FBI to be a translater who happened to find illegal conduct on behalf of US government officials. The aftermath of that discovery is she is being retroactively gagged and the testimony retroactively classified. I know your dislike of her, but the issue of the thread is related to which I just described. We are supposed to have certain guarantees as citizens and those guarantees are not being met by government officials. The issue isn't Turkey. It's our laws and constitution.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:15 PM
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49. I found no quote from Edmonds
about death threats.

There is a quoted interview of Daniel Ellsberg being interviewed on KPFA by Kris Welch about the Edmond's case:

"Daniel Ellsberg: Sibel is an 'enemy of Turkey' - she was a Turkish citizen, now an American, but she has some family in Turkey who are now threatened by this exposure. Her picture was on the front-page of every Turkish newspaper - denouncing her as a 'whore,' as a 'traitor' and a turncoat of various kinds and she's had many threatening letters, including death threats. So it's a very serious situation for her, and the contrast between the news in Turkey, and the silence in America about allegations about Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the House, is quite a contrast."

I can't find ANY links for the second alleged statement.

I didn't understand the third... What Turkish Company? Smeared?
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:18 AM
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65. You dont follow her words as much as I do
go look for it, they are there.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #65
77. You brought it up
You say she said

You supply the links

I've heard her words and I'm in her corner. It's up to you to prove her wrong, not me...

Have fun...
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:23 PM
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81. I dont have to supply anything
her interviews are all over the net, read them yourself. Some of her claims are baseless, I mentioned them in my other posts. Prove they are wrong otherwise stay still.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:58 PM
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38. Senators Leahy and Grassley found her credible and
sent a letter to AG Ashcroft, Mueller, and the DOJ Inspector General.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:02 PM
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41. They were screaming that the repubs
were not allowing her to speak, now the democrats are in charge even they dont want her to speak. I think even when there is a democratic president we will not see her speak, why. Are they going to blame the Turks for that too, that they have bribed the entire political establishment of the USA?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:06 PM
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42. Do you deny what's in this letter she sent to Kean?
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:11 PM
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43. I dont know about that letter, it might be
true. The thing that concerns me is edmonds is telling some things that I mentioned about and some more and provides no fact to back her claim and when I question these things Im attacked by people. It happened to me at youtube were they removed my comments because I asked some questions.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:16 PM
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44. I don't have anything against you or Turkey for that matter.
I'm just trying to help clean up my government. To me, any inaccuracies can be duly noted.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:19 PM
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45. I dont question all her words only some
I have a right for answers.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:22 PM
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46. I have no problem with that. I too have a right for answers.
If the US government has nothing to hide, why did they retroactively gag her and her testimony?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:00 PM
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40. May as well provide a link
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 02:22 AM
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59. What do you expect...relating her to aliens and roswell...just pathetic
Come out with a ludicrous smear attack instead of rational discourse always makes people one to discuss the issue at hand. Another troll to kill then back to reasonable discourse
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #59
66. You are
pathetic, I asked a few questions and her minions started attacking me without any answers. I have been a member of DU for more then 6 years. Go back to freerepublic.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 02:25 AM
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60. People don't go through what she's gone through just to get attention
As a Turk? As a Turk in this issue automatically raises suspicion. How about as a "person" instead?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 07:59 AM
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63. Exactly.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #60
67. What suspicion
why are edmonds supporters attacking me? Because I asked some questions about her? What is wrong being a Turk, are you feeling intimidated?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 09:09 AM
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68. I guess because you attack Sibel.
Sorry, but I wouldn't call people who want answers and her testimony to be heard and covered as "minions". My purpose isn't to attack anyone. It's to push congress.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 09:25 AM
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69. It's been my observation that kooks are ignored but people
who have something to reveal are silenced.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:05 PM
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79. It's because you attack
Edited on Tue Jul-31-07 03:07 PM by ProudDad
"why are edmonds supporters attacking me?"

Because you attack and insult other DU'ers for making points and asking questions of you.

and you won't supply any kind of proof for your allegations!!

This is primarily a FACT-BASED board. If you can't supply links with facts from rational sources you won't convince us of anything.

If you continue insulting other members, you will suffer the consequences...
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:20 PM
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80. Who did I insult?
Show me where did I insult anyone!!!
My facts are there I told them where to be found, I questioned some of edmonds baseless acuisations. No one was able to answe/refute my questions, no one. If this is fact based board then why are some people unable to provide any facts?
Again I did not INSULT anyone, read what I wrote. What consequences? because I asked some questions. Get real!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:59 PM
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83. The onus is on YOU
Edited on Tue Jul-31-07 06:00 PM by ProudDad
to supply the FACTS that refute Edmonds and all the other folks posting here.

You are the contrarian in this thread. If you want to be believed, supply some evidence not just "your word"...

You have not proved that "your word" is better than hers...

As for insults, it's risky to tell someone to "go back to free republic" just because they don't have as many posts as you do...
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 06:17 PM
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84. I wrote the questions in my earlier posts
go read them, those questions were not answered by ANYONE until now. I will will write them down if you want.
Edmonds claims: 1. She was threatened with death by the major media and was called a whore, a traitor and a turncoat of various kinds in Turkey.
2. A quarter of the economy of Turkey is from drug trade.
3. Thens of thousands of people were kidnapped and killed in Turkey in the last 10 years.

These are 3 of the things she said that she and her supporters cannot prove. They are just baseless lies.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:37 PM
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47. Kick! n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:15 PM
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50. ooo...my tubes are working so I have the internets again!
K&R!!

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camusrebel Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:58 PM
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54. So, if not tens of thousands, Orrin just how many
have the Turks killed. Of course many Kurds, thats a given. They should be given a small slice of Turkey(hold the gravy), Iran, Syria and the northern fifth of Iraq to form a country of their own, Kurdistan. For many reasons but as an American(Irish/slovak)the biggest one is how Daddy Bush screwed them post Gulf War One.

The other way they kill thousands, less directly but equally nefarious, is through the heroin trade. The MIT(turkish intel) and government permit most of the poppy grown in Afghanistan and elsewhere to be shipped there to be turned into heroin, and shipped out, mostly to USA and Europe to the tune of billions of dollars and who knows how many dead and ruined lives.

Follow the money. Why, after almost 7 years of US occupation is Afghan poppy production at an ALL TIME HIGH???

This illegal wealth supports crime sydicates and mafias the world over. See the wild, wild west of Russia for example.

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:48 AM
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56. welcome back! n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 07:14 AM
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61. .
:toast:

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:55 PM
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52. Everybody make sure you watch the ALA speech link lukery provided.
Just don't read through things. Know the extent to the "classification" and gag. And here's another kick.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:36 AM
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55. youtube
i'll try to put together a highlight reel from that speech soon.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:29 PM
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53. K&R!!! n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:56 AM
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57. Who is still gagging her? Ashcroft/Gonzales? Read quickly/not clear --
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 01:07 AM
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58. Dept of Justice
At the behest of the Pentagon and State Dept.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 07:52 AM
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62. Kick.
Can't rec at this time but can kick it back to the top.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:30 AM
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70. .
:kick:
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 12:26 PM
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74. I wish she would just say what she knows already....
... I know it might be legally dangerous for her but, if she really has info that we can use to set the country straight.

And if her info has no national security implications, her spilling the beans could show us how unfounded those claims were.

Could she not testify to some closed session of congress or to a committee so at least THEY could act on it?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. First, she even suggested a behind closed doors
session on matters where they felt related to national security concerns and second, she has given testimony in investigations. Read this note she sent to Kean:

http://www.justacitizen.com/articles_documents/Letter_to_Kean.pdf
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:42 PM
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82. Also, she will have a book out in the Spring.
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