The next time you're called a "communist" by a freeper

[Clintonista2]

Because you want, for example, universal health care, remind them that true communism is a political idea, not an economic one, and socialism can exist within a capitalist society just as easily as a communist society.

That's my tip for today :thumbsup:

[BlooInBloo]

1. You've got it exactly backwards.

[Clintonista2]

5. How so?

Communism's goal is the elimination of the class system. Socialism is seen as a way to achieve this, which is why it is prevalent within the communist ideology, but that doesn't mean it's exclusive to communism.

[Alexander]

10. Communism is exclusively an economic idea.

Not a political one. Marx was comparing communism to capitalism and feudalism.

[Clintonista2]

16. Here is the princeton definition of communism:

"a political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society "

Marx's one, true goal, was the elimination of the class system. He saw capitalism as a great divider of class (rich vs poor). Yet if, for example, class had mainly been divided into "people who wear green socks" and "people who wear blue socks" rather than an economic divide, communism would still be meant soley to get rid of this class system.

[Pawel K]

2. Or turn around and call them a nazi

sometimes you must stoop to their level, I think the average freeper will have a very hard time understanding what you just said. Remember, we aren't dealing with the brightest people on the planet.

[annabanana]

3. If you're being called a communist by a freeper. .

You are being yelled at by an idiot. Ask him what he thinks a communist is..

[Deja Q]

4. Ask them why their corporate friends freely offshore to COMMUNIST countries.

Let's just hope China is keen on this "one world government" along with everybody else. Judging by the quality of their products, they don't seem to care much about anything.

[Touchdown]

6. Actually it's democracy, not capitalism you're looking for.

...but I get the drift.

Don't you just love the double standards? We get called Commies, lefties, socialists and all that other crap, which is really pretty far from the truth, and they have to make up some shit like this "Godwin's Law" so that we can't call them what they really are. Buncha' Crybabies!:eyes:

[Clintonista2]

8. Socialism CAN EXIST within CAPITALISM

That is something that is so distorted by the right. America is a capitalist society, yet you have socialized libraries, post offices, fire dep't, police dep't, etc. It CAN and DOES exist within capitalism.

[Speck Tater]

7. Remind them everything they buy that says "Made In China" supports Communism.

Tell them if they truly hate Communism they will remain "China Free" in their purchasing.

[shain from kane]

9. "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." , Lenin.

[devilgrrl]

11. Check out some of these freepers responses to a universal health care article...

I would reject any Canadian style government imposed medical system as being the ultimate in anti-choice and denial of personal freedom.



If the rest of you socialist cronies are so dead set on getting your Universal Healthcare at least allow me (an individual) the option NOT to help pay for your broken medical system.

I wish to keep my own private health care option that allows me to walk in to any doctors office and recieve care faster than the rest of the world. In fact, if the rest of you want Socialized healthcare at least allow me (yet again the individual private payer) the option to go before you because im actually contributing to my own well being.


People had better think long and hard about socialized medicine, becauase once its implimented there will be no going back. The only changes that will ever be made will be in cost, which will go up and up no end.

and last and most certainly least...



Do Nor Worry;
Do Nor Fear;
HillaryCare Will Soon Be Here In The USA!

Brought to us by
The NAtional Socialist Incompetent (NASI) Party.

Then where will we all go for what used to be the best medical care in the
WORLD?!

Carry On!!!
Talley H*!!

Regards,
James


http://buffalonews.typepad.com/inside_the_news/2007/07/no-simple-solut.html

[MannyGoldstein]

12. I Tell 'em I Want Better Health Care That Costs Far Less

Because every industrialized country that has single-payer universal healthcare absolutely does have demonstrably-better healthcare, at half the cost per person on average.

Then I ask them if there's something special about Americans that makes us uniquely incapable of simply providing healthcare that's as good, and as inexpensive, as every other industrialized nation has managed to do. Are we particularly stupid?

This usually makes some impression.

[jgraz]

13. Repeat after me: "Shut the fuck up, you inbred moron."

Works for many occasions...

[judaspriestess]

14. thanks for the tip, thats a good way of getting a freepers

head to explode in the process. two birds with one stone.

[frogcycle]

15. hmmmm

socialism and capitalism are economic terms

democracy is a political form which can exist with either

communism, according to wiki, "is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production. It can be considered a branch of the broader socialist movement."

Most of the major communist movements were dictators (eg, Stalin) using the socialist economic form and the communist "common ownership" form as a means of scamming the proletariat into thinking they were well off while the party elite were fat dumb and happy. That is pretty much what we have going on right now, except instead of using "communism" as a scam they are using "free enterprise." Instead of state-run big businesses where people work their tail off and get compensated with a bare-subsistance wage, we have multinational corporations where people work their tail off and get compensated with a bare-subsistance wage.

So the neocons are trying to prove that dictatorship is also a political form which can exist with either

The better response to being accused of being a communist for espousing social programs is:

"You are an idiot who does not know your ass from first base. Crawl back under your rock."

[Clintonista2]

19. Look at your quote closely

"is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production. It can be considered a branch of the broader socialist movement."

Communism seeks to eliminate the class system. That's it. That's the true idea of communism. The reason people confuse this with an economic system, is because society has always been mainly divided economically. As I replied to another post, if society were divided into "people who wear green socks" vs "people who wear blue socks" rather than rich vs poor, communism would still seek to destroy the class system of green socks vs. blue socks, even though this would not be an economic problem.

[frogcycle]

21. agree

I should have put "communist" in quotes when I said 'most of the major communist movements'

[BOSSHOG]

17. I'll show them my military retiree ID card and ask for theirs

[applegrove]

18. Tell them the army is an example of socialist spending.

[shenmue]

20. Duly noted

:D