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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:03 PM
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Novak: Bush considering secret military action in Turkey
Edited on Mon Jul-30-07 06:03 PM by seemslikeadream
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A former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is briefing lawmakers on Pentagon plans for secret military intervention in Turkey, Robert Novak reported Monday.

The Bush administration is considering covert military activity by U.S. Special Forces to help Turkish troops quash Kurdish guerilla fighters, who are believed to be using northern Iraq as safe-haven, according to the syndicated columnist.

Undersecretary of Defense Eric S. Edelman, a former Cheney aide, briefed lawmakers on Capitol Hill last week on the plans. The plans call for secret U.S. involvement to assist Turkish action against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

Edelman's name emerged in news reports earlier this month after he wrote to Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) what many saw as an overly harsh letter in response to her requests about troop withdrawals from Iraq. The letter said her request "reinforces" enemy propaganda.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:04 PM
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1. With what army?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:05 PM
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2. Task Force 121 kinda stuff ? Under what AUMF ? nt
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:05 PM
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3. Great. Now the Khurds will hate Americans in Iraq.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:06 PM
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4. Listen to Joe
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Kurdish officials in northern Iraq say they fear a full-scale invasion

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/21/wturk221.xml

Kurds fear post-poll invasion
Last Updated: 1:45am BST 23/07/2007



Kurdish officials in northern Iraq say they fear a full-scale invasion after the parliamentary elections in Turkey tomorrow.

Turkish troops backed by tanks and artillery are massing along the frontier with Iraq, preparing for a possible assault on the separatist rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

This military build-up, which could involve as many as 140,000 troops, comes amid intensified violence. At least 200 Turkish soldiers have been killed by the PKK so far this year, many by roadside bombs.

Iraq's foreign ministry sent a formal protest to Ankara on Thursday over Turkish shelling of Iraqi territory. The Turks' "real target" is the virtually independent state the Kurds have won in northern Iraq, whose emergence, it fears, will deepen separatist feelings among its own 14 million Kurds.

Washington has repeatedly warned Turkey against an invasion, saying it would destabilise the only relatively peaceful region of Iraq. It would also wreck Turkey's fragile relations with the EU.

These objections, coupled with the US's refusal to use its own forces to attack the PKK, has caused spiralling anti-Americanism in Turkey.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2788616.ece

Turkish PM threatens to invade northern Iraq
By Patrick Cockburn in Arbil, Iraq
Published: 21 July 2007
Turkey's Prime Minister has threatened an invasion of northern Iraq if, after the Turkish election on Sunday, talks fail with Iraq and the US on curbing the activities of Turkish Kurd guerrillas.

Turkish artillery has been firing increasingly heavy barrages at villages in the north of Iraqi Kurdistan. After three Turkish soldiers were killed and five wounded by a mine laid by PKK guerrillas last week, some 100 shells exploded around the border town of Zakho, forcing residents to flee.

The Prime Minister, Recep Tayyib Erdogan, said the PKK fighters had been using northern Iraq as a base to make attacks.

He said there would be a tripartite meeting with the US and Iraq after the election but if Turkish demands were not satisfied, an invasion was on the agenda. "Whatever is necessary could be done immediately," he said. "We are capable enough to do it." Mr Erdogan's hard line is geared to the Turkish election tomorrow in which his Justice and Development Party (AKP is fearful of losing votes because it is being portrayed as not acting firmly enough against PKK guerrillas. It wants to stop the far-right Nationalist Party, which is demanding an incursion in Iraq, getting the 10 per cent of the vote that it needs to win seats in parliament.

The PKK has about 4,000 fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq. It has escalated its attacks in largely Kurdish south-east Turkey, but these are pinpricks as Turkey has an army of 250,000 men in the region. Nevertheless, the question of how to deal with the PKK has become a central issue in the election.




Turkish PM threatens to invade northern Iraq - 250,000 men in the region


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2788616.ece


By Patrick Cockburn in Arbil, Iraq
Published: 21 July 2007

Turkey's Prime Minister has threatened an invasion of northern Iraq if, after the Turkish election on Sunday, talks fail with Iraq and the US on curbing the activities of Turkish Kurd guerrillas.

Turkish artillery has been firing increasingly heavy barrages at villages in the north of Iraqi Kurdistan. After three Turkish soldiers were killed and five wounded by a mine laid by PKK guerrillas last week, some 100 shells exploded around the border town of Zakho, forcing residents to flee.

The Prime Minister, Recep Tayyib Erdogan, said the PKK fighters had been using northern Iraq as a base to make attacks.

He said there would be a tripartite meeting with the US and Iraq after the election but if Turkish demands were not satisfied, an invasion was on the agenda. "Whatever is necessary could be done immediately," he said. "We are capable enough to do it." Mr Erdogan's hard line is geared to the Turkish election tomorrow in which his Justice and Development Party (AKP is fearful of losing votes because it is being portrayed as not acting firmly enough against PKK guerrillas. It wants to stop the far-right Nationalist Party, which is demanding an incursion in Iraq, getting the 10 per cent of the vote that it needs to win seats in parliament.

The PKK has about 4,000 fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq. It has escalated its attacks in largely Kurdish south-east Turkey, but these are pinpricks as Turkey has an army of 250,000 men in the region. Nevertheless, the question of how to deal with the PKK has become a central issue in the election.

Three Turkish soldiers killed in rebel mine blast

Source: Reuters


DIYARBAKIR, Turkey, July 18 (Reuters) - Three Turkish soldiers were killed and five were injured on Wednesday when a mine, planted on a road by Kurdish rebels, exploded in southeast Turkey, security officials said.

Turkey has raised troop levels in the restive southeast to more than 200,000, with many near the Iraq border, senior security sources say, as part of a crackdown on guerrillas from the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

The blast occurred when a vehicle carrying the soldiers, who were returning from a patrol, drove over the mine in the Cukurca district of Hakkari province near the border with Iraq.

The injured soldiers were flown by helicopter to a military hospital for treatment.


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, 6,000 Kurdish fighters to guard Iraq oil installations

Source: AFP


SULAIMANIYAH, Iraq • The Iraqi government will soon dispatch about 6,000 former Kurdish guerrillas to protect electric and oil infrastructure from insurgents attacks, a security official said yesterday.

"A brigade of 6,000 peshmerga will be sent to an area southwest of Kirkuk to protect electric generators between Kirkuk and Baiji," Brigadier General Jabbar Yawar, a spokesman for the Kurdish Regional Government security force said.

At least 55 of the 179 massive transmission towers running between the oil hub of Kirkuk and the central Iraqi refinery city of Baiji have been torn down in recent years, contributing to Iraq's frequent power outages.

Yawar said a delegation from the Kurdish government agreed to dispatch the force after talks with Iraq's defence minister earlier this month and are only awaiting the final approval of Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki.



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What country in the world is most anti-American?

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What country in the world is most anti-American? According to the Pew Global Attitudes Project's 47-nation survey released Wednesday it would not be one of the usual suspects - the Palestinian Authority, Pakistan, or Venezuela - but rather America's 50-year-NATO ally, Turkey.

This finding should trouble the Bush administration deeply; Turkey is exactly the type of Muslim-majority democracy that officials have been touting as a model for the Middle East and the Islamic world.

Consider the facts: Turkey ranked dead last in all the most important categories on the survey, something which indicates the depth of anti-American sentiment. Most tellingly, Turks have the lowest favorability for both America and its citizens (9% and 13%). Moreover, Turkey tied with the Palestinian Authority for the lowest percentage of citizens who think the US is fair in its Middle East policies, a paltry 2%.

Another disturbing sign for US policymakers is the fact that Turkey, an active partner in Afghanistan and a crucial transportation hub for Iraq, has the second-lowest level of support for the US-led war on terror (9%) of all nations surveyed.


Turkey, Iran reach accord to carry gas to Europe

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070715-072326-8364r

Turkey, Iran reach accord to carry gas to Europe
AFP

July 15, 2007


ANKARA -- Turkey and Iran have reached a preliminary agreement to carry natural gas from Iran and Turkmenistan to Europe, Turkish energy minister Hilmi Guler said Sunday.

The memorandum of understanding was signed away from the public eye Friday evening in Ankara after talks between Guler and Iranian oil minister Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh.

"We discussed some requests from Iran in return their demand to export natural gas to European Union countries ... As a result, we agreed on carrying Turkmen gas via Iran to Turkey, and then to Europe," Guler said in the northeastern city of Ordu, the Anatolia news agency reported.

Iran has also agreed to let Turkey develop several natural gas fields in Iran, he said, without elaborating.
Officials from the two countries needed to complete technical work for the agreement to be finalized, he added.

The deal is seen as boosting the prospects of a planned 3,300-kilometer (2,000-mile) pipeline project, known as Nabucco, to carry gas from the Middle East and Central Asia to the European Union via Turkey and the Balkans, bypassing Russia.

Turkey already buys gas via a conduit from the northwestern Iranian city of Tabriz to Ankara, which was inaugurated in December 2001, even though the deal was frowned upon in the United States, Turkey's long-standing North Atlantic Treaty Organization ally and Iran's archfoe.


Turkey, Iran reach accord to carry gas to Europe

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070715-072326-8364r

Turkey, Iran reach accord to carry gas to Europe
AFP

July 15, 2007


ANKARA -- Turkey and Iran have reached a preliminary agreement to carry natural gas from Iran and Turkmenistan to Europe, Turkish energy minister Hilmi Guler said Sunday.

The memorandum of understanding was signed away from the public eye Friday evening in Ankara after talks between Guler and Iranian oil minister Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh.

"We discussed some requests from Iran in return their demand to export natural gas to European Union countries ... As a result, we agreed on carrying Turkmen gas via Iran to Turkey, and then to Europe," Guler said in the northeastern city of Ordu, the Anatolia news agency reported.

Iran has also agreed to let Turkey develop several natural gas fields in Iran, he said, without elaborating.
Officials from the two countries needed to complete technical work for the agreement to be finalized, he added.

The deal is seen as boosting the prospects of a planned 3,300-kilometer (2,000-mile) pipeline project, known as Nabucco, to carry gas from the Middle East and Central Asia to the European Union via Turkey and the Balkans, bypassing Russia.

Turkey already buys gas via a conduit from the northwestern Iranian city of Tabriz to Ankara, which was inaugurated in December 2001, even though the deal was frowned upon in the United States, Turkey's long-standing North Atlantic Treaty Organization ally and Iran's archfoe.



Turkish security services in possession of videotapes of weapon deliveries by US military to PKK

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38510

ANKARA, Jul 12 (IPS) - It seems now certain: No invasion of Northern Iraq by the Turkish army before the legislative elections scheduled for Jul. 22. Disappointed? Many in Turkey are, not least the military. Surprised? Not a bit. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's fingers are expert at navigating between buttons of the yellow and red traffic lights of the road to Arbil.

.....

The Turkish population, regardless of geography, political affiliation, or social class, is increasingly vocal in its anti-Americanism, as recent polls have revealed, and the press reflects on a daily basis. Ahead of the elections, some candidates adroitly use the "ugly American" card, and conspiracy theories abound.

Many analysts, including business executives and academics, seem genuinely convinced that the U.S. government is planning to create a Kurdish state, cutting into Iraq and Turkey, in a model inspired by the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.

.....


Rumours on the streets of Ankara and other cities around the country, as well as in the editorial offices of newspapers and TV stations, purport that the Turkish security services are in possession of videotapes of weapon deliveries by U.S. military staff to PKK combatants in Northern Iraq. These, say critics of the Bush administration, are proofs of U.S. perfidy


Ex-PKK terrorist says northern Iraqi camps evacuated
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Ex-PKK terrorist says northern Iraqi camps evacuated

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=116576

Ex-PKK terrorist says northern Iraqi camps evacuated
Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) terrorists have evacuated their mountain camps in northern Iraq due to fears that Turkey could carry out a cross-border operation, a former member of the group said in testimony to state authorities.

"The organization has evacuated all its mountain camps, and members deserted down to the plain in the face of a probable cross-border operation," the former member, identified as A.D., was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency in his testimony to state prosecutors in the southeastern province of Diyarbakır. A.D, nicknamed Şahin, faces charges of membership in a terrorist organization. He recently surrendered to security forces after spending four years in PKK camps in northern Iraq. Turkey is pressing the United States to crack down on PKK bases in northern Iraq, but there have been few examples of success in US efforts against the group, designated as a terrorist organization by Washington and the European Union. The perception in Turkey that the United States has ignored Turkish concerns about the PKK's operations in Iraq has increased pressure on the Turkish government to order military operations against the PKK in Iraq. The PKK has escalated attacks this year, killing at least 67 soldiers so far. More than 110 terrorists were killed in the same period.
Turkish Ambassador in Washington Nabi Şensoy told reporters on Wednesday that US weapons have been turning up in the hands of the PKK and blamed Iraqi Kurdish authorities for this. Şensoy blamed in particular Massoud Barzani, who heads the autonomous Kurdish region in the north of Iraq, for actively backing the PKK by providing logistical support and weapons.

A.D. said those members of the PKK who escaped from the organization are being provided shelter in the facilities of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), led by Barzani. A.D. said he had stayed for 15 days in such a camp after fleeing the PKK and was advised by KDP officials not to return to Turkey and to remain in northern Iraq instead. A.D. also said six people from the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party (DTP), often accused of having organic links with the PKK, had visited his PKK camp in northern Iraq and brought small presents to residents of the camp.

Statements from Turkish officials that Turkey would carry out a cross-border operation to tackle the PKK threat have further strained relations with Iraqi Kurds, who have pledged to respond to such a move with force.

An Iraqi Kurdish news report said on Thursday that Barzani met with leaders of Kurdish political parties in the northern Iraqi city of Salahaddin to discuss a possible Turkish cross-border operation.


Turkey vs. Iraq?


http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4378

Turkey vs. Iraq?
Richard May | July 12, 2007

Editor: John Feffer




Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org


While Capitol Hill battles the White House over Iraq, another battle is brewing in the Middle East. In the last week the Turkish military has moved 140,000 troops from across its country to the southern border with Iraq. These troops represent an invasion force meant to prevent the continued terrorist activities of the Kurdish minority that use northern Iraq as a safe haven. Turkey has previously voiced its intent to attack elements of the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK) after repeated bombings and recent attacks on civilians in the south of Turkey. If Ankara chooses to use military force in the north of Iraq now, the results would be dire for the future security and stability of Iraq.

The effects of Turkey conducting military operations in northern Iraq would undermine the fragile security environment that currently exists in two major ways. First, the Kurdish soldiers that are operating in Baghdad as part of the U. S. military “surge” would be tempted to abandon their posts in order to protect their homeland in the north. Second, because Turkish troops would not likely remain for long in the north of Iraq, the remaining PKK fighters could regroup and continue to use northern Iraq as a base of operations for its recent offensive attacks in Turkey. Iraq would have difficulty meeting either of these challenges. To face both simultaneously would only exasperate and quicken the destabilization of Iraq and the region.

Northern Iraq is more than just another piece of territory for Kurds. It is a homeland: it is Kurdistan. For decades Kurds have fought to secure northern Iraq in order to build a Kurdish nation, a nation that finally seems within reach. However, Kurds are also an essential part of the future of Iraq. Most recently, the Kurds have sent three brigades of the Iraqi Army from the north, comprised of a vast majority of Kurdish soldiers, into Baghdad to assist in security operations as part of the surge of U.S. forces. These three brigades represent about 10,000 soldiers and are an essential part of the strategy for securing Baghdad. This number does not even account for the other Kurdish soldiers that are serving in other units in Baghdad. Were Turkey to attack Kurdistan, these soldiers would undoubtedly leave Baghdad to defend their homeland, choosing Kurdistan over Iraq. The loss of these 10,000 indigenous, well-trained soldiers would threaten the already tenuous security situation even more.

If Turkey did invade northern Iraq, the incursion would not lack precedent. In 1995 and 1997, Turkey used 35,000 soldiers to conduct raids against the PKK. In both cases they remained in Iraq for fewer than 60 days and did not completely eradicate the Kurdish elements that they claimed were responsible for conducting attacks. A future invasion would be similar: a short incursion with limited success. Indeed, an incursion by Turkish forces against PKK elements would violate the new perception of territorial sovereignty that has grown in Kurdistan since the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

While most Kurds in northern Iraq are not members of the PKK, a perceived violation of territorial sovereignty of Kurdistan would unify the Kurdish population to either support the PKK to a greater extent or develop an increased Kurdish independence movement. Without the support of the Kurdish population, especially their military, the unity and stabilization of Iraq will be severely inhibited, requiring either more U.S. military forces to fill in the gaps left by the Kurdish troops or instigating a civil war that could spread throughout the region. The Kurdish population is one of the only stable influences in Iraq and the loss of their support would reverberate throughout Iraq, Iran and Syria.

Turkey’s invasion of Iraq would have limited benefits for Turkey and disastrous implications for Iraq. The violation of state sovereignty that a Turkish incursion represents would present the Iraqi government as ineffectual and unable to protect its own borders. Jalal Talabani, the president of Iraq, would be forced into a difficult position, having to choose between his ethnic group and his country. Turkey would gain little more than a minor disruption of PKK activity and would ultimately foster increased hostility from the Kurdish community, including the possibility of establishing an open policy of support for Kurdish separatists in other countries.

The only foreseeable solution is for a joint U.S.-Turkish-Kurdish agreement that focuses on addressing the PKK elements and not Kurdistan as a whole. Turkey will not likely be pacified by a political agreement alone and will demand evidence of action against the PKK locations. If the United States does expect to stop an invasion, an agreement with Turkey must be negotiated soon. While cooperating with Turkey will be distasteful to many Kurds, it will not be nearly as insulting as an outright invasion. A Turkish invasion will force the Kurds to choose between Kurdistan and Iraq. And in this choice, Iraq will lose out.



Iranian Forces, Kurdish Guerrillas Clash


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Iranian Forces, Kurdish Guerrillas Clash

Thursday, July 12, 2007


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Iranian artillery shelled near Iraqi Kurd villages Thursday as Iranian troops clashed with Kurdish guerrillas making an incursion across the border, officials in Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan said.

It was the third day of shelling in two areas along the border in northern Iraq, said Jabbar Yawer, spokesman for the Kurdistan protection forces, or Peshmerga. Residents of the areas said the bombardment had not caused casualties but had killed farm animals and started a fire on a mountain.

Iranian shelling in the Peshdar region, 60 miles northwest of Sulaimaniyah, hit areas as far as 18 miles from the border, said the regional governor, Hussein Ahmed. He said many of the area's 1,000 families had fled for protection.

The other region hit by shelling lay farther north, near the Hajji Umran border crossing, 65 miles north of the city of Irbil, Yawer said. He said the shelling began with an incursion by Kurdish guerrillas into Iran on Tuesday that sparked clashes with Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

"We are not with either side, and we will not allow the lands of Iraqi Kurdistan to become a battlefield in which civilians in Kurdish villages are the victims," he said.

The Free Life Party is a breakaway faction of the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party, also known as PKK, which is dominated by Turkish Kurds but also had Iranian Kurd branches. Its fighters have sparked Iranian shelling into Iraq several times over the past two years, most recently in June.

Turkey has increasingly threatened to take action in northern Iraq, complaining that the Kurdistan government and U.S. forces are not doing enough to stop PKK fighters carrying out attacks on Turkish soil.


Turkey: Kurds have U.S. weapons


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-turkey_madhanijul12,1,3473840.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=3&cset=true

Turkey: Kurds have U.S. weapons
Envoy makes claim as troops reported along Iraq border

By Aamer Madhani
Washington Bureau
Published July 12, 2007


WASHINGTON -- Turkey's top diplomat in Washington said Wednesday that American weaponry has been found in the hands of Iraq-based Kurdish fighters captured while sneaking across the border to carry out attacks against Turkish civilians and military forces.

Ambassador Nabi Sensoy said he does not believe the United States is supplying weapons directly to fighters of the Kurdistan Workers Party, a group better known as the PKK that for years has fought for an independent Kurdistan within Turkey. The American weapons, Sensoy suggested, may be coming from supplies provided by the U.S. military to the Iraqi government.


The allegation comes at a time when Iraqi officials have reported that Turkey's army is building up its forces along the two countries' shared border.

Sensoy pointed to the weaponry that has been found on PKK fighters as emblematic of the U.S. and Iraqi officials "not doing enough" to stop the PKK from staging attacks out of northern Iraq and said his government reserves the right to carry out military action to stop the guerrillas.

"People are simply saying: 'If the United States government feels itself to have the right to intervene in Iraq in order to protect itself from terrorists, Turkey should be able to protect its people and its country from the threat and actual activity from a terrorist organization,'" the ambassador said.



http://www.mrt.com.mk/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3203&Itemid=28

Turkey: threats of incursion into Iraq increase
Thursday, 12 July 2007
On April 12, the chief of Turkey's General Staff, General Yasar Buyukanit, announced that the military was ready to stage a cross-border operation into Iraq to put down Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militants. The only thing holding it back was authorization from the government and parliament.
Since then, there has been a constant stream of rhetoric from military officers and opposition politicians seeming to agitate for action.
Recently, the government has also weighed in. Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul confirmed that Turkey had drawn up a plan for a possible incursion into Iraq.
So has the balance tipped and can we expect Ankara to launch an assault in coming days? Not necessarily, say observers, but Gul's statement is a clear sign the government is under pressure.


Iraq: Turkish Incursion Into Northern Iraq Could Backfire

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/07/1389c950-2be8-4e00-98ff-7b49a7204399.html

Iraq: Turkish Incursion Into Northern Iraq Could Backfire
By Sumedha Senanayake

Turkey has demanded U.S. and Iraqi action against PKK bases in Iraq (file photo)
(AFP)
July 11, 2007 (RFE/RL) -- Last week, Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said Ankara had a plan in place for military incursions into northern Iraq to destroy Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) bases there.


His statements were the latest in a series of increasingly aggressive comments coming out of Turkey, warning the U.S. and the Iraqi government that if they do not curb PKK activities in northern Iraq, Turkey will have no choice but to carry out unilateral military action.

Iraqi Kurdish officials have reacted to the Turkish warnings and the massing of Turkish forces along the border with increasing alarm.

A Turkish incursion based on the principle of fighting terrorism sets a dangerous precedent for Iraq's neighbors. Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, who are widely believed to be involved in Iraq behind the scenes, may be emboldened to follow suit.Iraq's Kurdish Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari issued a statement on July 9 expressing his deep concern over intelligence estimates of more than 140,000 Turkish troops currently stationed on the border. He urged restraint and called for a diplomatic solution to the tensions.

The Pentagon disputed the numbers cited by Zebari, while Turkey had no comment. Zebari may have exaggerated intentionally, to focus greater international media attention on the Turkish threats in the hope of forcing Turkey to back down. In any case, it shows that he takes the Turkish threats seriously.

Setting Dangerous Precedent


Turkey: US Weapons in Guerrilla Hands - 140,000 soldiers on the border


http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/11/ap3903217.html

Turkey: US Weapons in Guerrilla Hands
By DESMOND BUTLER 07.11.07, 10:29 AM ET

Turkey's ambassador to Washington said Wednesday that U.S. weapons have been turning up in the hands of Kurdish guerrillas staging attacks in Turkey.

Nabi (nasdaq: NABI - news - people ) Sensoy said that the United States is not doing enough to influence Kurdish politicians in key positions in the Iraqi government to crack down on the Kurdistan Workers Party or PKK, which has been fighting for an independent Kurdistan within Turkey for decades. He said that Turkey has been pressing the United States to ensure that U.S. weapons supplied to Kurdish forces within the Iraqi army are not funneled to the PKK.

He did not suggest that the U.S. has been supplying the PKK directly. But he accused Kurdish members of the Iraqi government of allowing the group to operate in northern Iraq and to stage cross border attacks into Turkey.

U.S. officials have said they are working closely with Turkey to combat the PKK but that their focus in Iraq is in combating insurgents opposing U.S. forces. The United States considers the PKK a terrorist group and has taken steps to cut off its international financing. But U.S. officials have had few examples of success against the PKK in Iraq to point to in answering Turkish concerns.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6767972,00.html
Will Turkey Invade Northern Iraq?

Monday July 9, 2007 10:16 PM


By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA

Associated Press Writer

ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) - Reports that Turkey has massed a huge military force on its border with Iraq bolstered fears that an invasion targeting hideouts of Kurdish rebels could be imminent. But how deeply into Iraq is the Turkish army willing to go, how long would it stay and what kind of fallout could come from allies in Washington and other NATO partners?

All these questions weigh on Turkey's leaders, who have enough on their hands without embarking on a foreign military adventure. Turkey is caught up in an internal rift between the Islamic-rooted government and the military-backed, secular establishment, less than two weeks ahead of July 22 elections that were called early as a way to ease tensions in a polarized society.

A military operation could disrupt Turkey's fragile democratic process by diverting attention from campaign topics such as the economy, and raise suspicion about whether the government and its opponents are manipulating the Iraq issue to win nationalist support at the polls.

On Monday, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Turkish television that Turkey would take whatever steps were necessary if the United States fails to fulfill its pledge to help in the fight against Kurdish rebels, but he appeared reluctant to order an invasion before the elections.

``We are seeing with great grief that America remains quiet as Turkey struggles against terrorism. Because there were promises given to us, and they need to be kept. If not, we can take care of our own business,'' Erdogan said. ``We hope there won't be an extraordinary situation before the election. But there'll be a new evaluation after the elections.''


Timeline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish-Kurdish_conflict


Timeline
May.22, 2007: A suicide bombing hits Ankara killing 8 and wounding over 100. While no one claims responsibility the PKK is blamed by the government.

May.27, 2007: The US Secretary of state Condoleezza Rice and Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gul discussed the possible outbreak of Turkish-Kurdish hostilities. Immediately after American troops and civilians begin evacuating form northern Iraq.

May.30, 2007: American and Kurdish forces sign an agreement transferring the security of Iraqi Kurdistan to the Peshmerga. American forces are evacuated from all Kurdish areas except Kirkuk.

May.31, 2007: The Turkish military announced they were prepared to launch and incursion into Iraq. Leader of Iraqi Kurdistan Massoud Barzani announced that the Peshmerga will join the PKK in fighting against a Turkish incursion.

Jun.2, 2007: American troops and civilians have withdrawn from all of Iraqi Kurdistan. Massoud Barzani again warns the Turkish military that any incursion will be fought against by the Peshmerga. An estimated 100,000 Turkish troops are mobilized on the boarder between Turkey and Iraq.

Jun.4, 2007: A PKK suicide bomber kills 8 soldiers and wound 6 at an army checkpoint in Tunceli.

Jun.5, 2007: There are reports of limited shelling and air strikes by the Turkish army attacking PKK bases in Iraqi Kurdistan

Jun.6, 2007: Thousands of Turkish forces entered Iraq. Due to the complete lack of media presence in the area there are conflicting reports. Turkish officials claim only 150 forces entered Iraq only a few killometers from the border and left without and confrontation with the PKK. The Israeli intelligence website Debka file claims that hundreds to thousands of Turkish troops crossed the border as the first wave of a planned invasion. They claim that both sides have suffered heavy casualties and the PKK was much better armed then previously thought. Reports claim that the PKK shot down a Black Hawk helicopter and destroyed several Turkish tanks. There are also claims that PKK units based in Turkey are attacking Turkish forces from their rear thereby both slowing their invasion and forcing the Turks to fight a two front war.

Jun.7, 2007: Turkey declares a 3 month martial law in Kurdish areas near the Iraq boarder and banes civilian flights to the area. Both Iraqi and Turkish sources are either acknowledging or denying weather Turkish forces have entered Iraq. It has been confirmed that 3 Turkish soldiers have been killed by a PKK landmine.

Cook: Border Crisis between Turkey, Iraq Worsens U.S.-Turkey Ties

http://www.cfr.org/publication/13814/cook.html?breadcrumb=%2Fpublication%2Fpublication_list%3Ftype%3Dinterview

Cook: Border Crisis between Turkey, Iraq Worsens U.S.-Turkey Ties
Interviewee: Stephen A. Cook, Douglas Dillon Fellow
Interviewer: Bernard Gwertzman, Consulting Editor


July 16, 2007

A week away from crucial parliamentary elections in Turkey, relations between the United States and Turkey have been severely strained over Turkey’s concerns over the PKK separatist group given safe haven in the Kurdistan area of northern Iraq. CFR Fellow Stephen A. Cook says a recent major poll shows that “in Turkey, a NATO country firmly allied with the United States over the last fifty years, only 9 percent of Turks have a favorable view of the United States.”

When we last talked about Turkey, you said the possibility of a Turkish cross-border intervention into northern Iraq was the most underreported crisis facing the United States. When I asked if it would blow up, you said it’s “already blown up” between Turkey and the United States. So what’s the situation on the border with northern Iraq right now?

It remains extremely dangerous for Turkish soldiers in particular. We don’t hear much about this in the media here but Turkish soldiers are killed every day on that border as a result of Kurdistan Workers’ Party terrorist attacks on them. This has been a very dangerous spring and summer for the Turkish military, and it is rallying considerable political discontent within Turkey which is feeding into the upcoming elections. It’s further sparking massive Turkish discontent with the United States. The recent Pew Global Attitudes survey demonstrated that in Turkey, a NATO country firmly allied with the United States over the last fifty years, only 9 percent of Turks have a favorable view of the United States. I think the only two with lower ratings are the Palestinians and the Pakistanis.

You mentioned the elections. They take place next Sunday, and it’s a parliamentary election. Talk about why it’s being held right now.


http://news.trendaz.com/cgi-bin/readnews2.pl?newsId=958233&lang=EN
PKK leader flies out of Austria to northern Iraq

( Cihan ) - A senior leader of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Europe, Riza Altun, took a flight from Austria to Arbil in northern Iraq after traveling to Vienna from France, where he was unable to fly due to a pending court trial on terror-related charges. The PKK has carried out operations in France, but Austria's lack of concern with the activity of the PKK within its borders angers Turkey, which has been fighting a campaign against the terrorist organization for nearly 30 years.

Altun was detained in France as part of a French investigation, which began last July when two members of the terrorist group were captured trying to change 200,000 euros into dollars at an exchange bureau in France. He was later released pending trial and authorities banned him from traveling out of the Paris region.

Altun popped up in Vienna, where he was detained on July 4, reportedly for carrying a false passport. Austrian authorities did not inform France or Turkey, where he is sought on terror charges, about Altun's detention, and he later took an Austrian Airlines flight from Vienna to Arbil in northern Iraq on July 13.

Turkey accuses Iraqi Kurdish leaders running northern Iraq of supporting the PKK by providing logistics backing and arms. A few thousand armed PKK militants are based in mountain camps in northern Iraq, and Turkey has warned Iraqi and US officials that it would resort to a cross-border operation if they do not take any action against the terrorist group.

Turkey in turmoil as snap poll nears


http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/turkey-in-turmoil-as-snap-poll-nears/2007/07/17/1184559787569.html

Turkey in turmoil as snap poll nears

July 18, 2007


Riot police arrest anti-Government demonstrators in Ankara. Turkey has been polarised between religious belief and secularism ahead of this Sunday's election.
Photo: Reuters


TURKEY heads to the polls on Sunday for a snap election called to end a dangerous political crisis, but many analysts believe that whatever the outcome the root causes are likely to remain.

Polarisations that sparked the snap election, between the Islamist-rooted governing party and the secular opposition, is likely to continue, analysts say.

The vote was brought forward by four months when Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP) failed to get its presidential candidate elected in a parliamentary vote boycotted by the secular opposition.

The election has provoked tension between the Government and secularists, who took to the streets in their millions, as well as the army, which threatened to take action if the Government failed to ensure the separation of religion and state.


Turkey vs. Iraq?

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4378

Turkey vs. Iraq?
Richard May | July 12, 2007

Editor: John Feffer


Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org


While Capitol Hill battles the White House over Iraq, another battle is brewing in the Middle East. In the last week the Turkish military has moved 140,000 troops from across its country to the southern border with Iraq. These troops represent an invasion force meant to prevent the continued terrorist activities of the Kurdish minority that use northern Iraq as a safe haven. Turkey has previously voiced its intent to attack elements of the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK) after repeated bombings and recent attacks on civilians in the south of Turkey. If Ankara chooses to use military force in the north of Iraq now, the results would be dire for the future security and stability of Iraq.

The effects of Turkey conducting military operations in northern Iraq would undermine the fragile security environment that currently exists in two major ways. First, the Kurdish soldiers that are operating in Baghdad as part of the U. S. military “surge” would be tempted to abandon their posts in order to protect their homeland in the north. Second, because Turkish troops would not likely remain for long in the north of Iraq, the remaining PKK fighters could regroup and continue to use northern Iraq as a base of operations for its recent offensive attacks in Turkey. Iraq would have difficulty meeting either of these challenges. To face both simultaneously would only exasperate and quicken the destabilization of Iraq and the region.

Northern Iraq is more than just another piece of territory for Kurds. It is a homeland: it is Kurdistan. For decades Kurds have fought to secure northern Iraq in order to build a Kurdish nation, a nation that finally seems within reach. However, Kurds are also an essential part of the future of Iraq. Most recently, the Kurds have sent three brigades of the Iraqi Army from the north, comprised of a vast majority of Kurdish soldiers, into Baghdad to assist in security operations as part of the surge of U.S. forces. These three brigades represent about 10,000 soldiers and are an essential part of the strategy for securing Baghdad. This number does not even account for the other Kurdish soldiers that are serving in other units in Baghdad. Were Turkey to attack Kurdistan, these soldiers would undoubtedly leave Baghdad to defend their homeland, choosing Kurdistan over Iraq. The loss of these 10,000 indigenous, well-trained soldiers would threaten the already tenuous security situation even more.

If Turkey did invade northern Iraq, the incursion would not lack precedent. In 1995 and 1997, Turkey used 35,000 soldiers to conduct raids against the PKK. In both cases they remained in Iraq for fewer than 60 days and did not completely eradicate the Kurdish elements that they claimed were responsible for conducting attacks. A future invasion would be similar: a short incursion with limited success. Indeed, an incursion by Turkish forces against PKK elements would violate the new perception of territorial sovereignty that has grown in Kurdistan since the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

While most Kurds in northern Iraq are not members of the PKK, a perceived violation of territorial sovereignty of Kurdistan would unify the Kurdish population to either support the PKK to a greater extent or develop an increased Kurdish independence movement. Without the support of the Kurdish population, especially their military, the unity and stabilization of Iraq will be severely inhibited, requiring either more U.S. military forces to fill in the gaps left by the Kurdish troops or instigating a civil war that could spread throughout the region. The Kurdish population is one of the only stable influences in Iraq and the loss of their support would reverberate throughout Iraq, Iran and Syria.

Turkey’s invasion of Iraq would have limited benefits for Turkey and disastrous implications for Iraq. The violation of state sovereignty that a Turkish incursion represents would present the Iraqi government as ineffectual and unable to protect its own borders. Jalal Talabani, the president of Iraq, would be forced into a difficult position, having to choose between his ethnic group and his country. Turkey would gain little more than a minor disruption of PKK activity and would ultimately foster increased hostility from the Kurdish community, including the possibility of establishing an open policy of support for Kurdish separatists in other countries.

The only foreseeable solution is for a joint U.S.-Turkish-Kurdish agreement that focuses on addressing the PKK elements and not Kurdistan as a whole. Turkey will not likely be pacified by a political agreement alone and will demand evidence of action against the PKK locations. If the United States does expect to stop an invasion, an agreement with Turkey must be negotiated soon. While cooperating with Turkey will be distasteful to many Kurds, it will not be nearly as insulting as an outright invasion. A Turkish invasion will force the Kurds to choose between Kurdistan and Iraq. And in this choice, Iraq will lose out.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:12 PM
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10. Thats right
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:59 PM
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23. Yeah, I got scoffed at for mentioning Joe for Clark and the
smoldering coals in northern Iraq.

This ain't over by a long shot. Figures. Bush would try to make an incursion into Turkey. I guess the Marines need something else to do? Are more Army people asking for longer deployments? Is NATO gonna hammer us?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:06 PM
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5. Uh, George? They're friends.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:07 PM
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6. Kurds or Turks?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:31 PM
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14. Depends on which side of the border you're on, I guess.
This is fucking insane.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:08 PM
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7. you want war!!!!! i give you war!!!!! bush screamed!!
and screamed and screamed until they sedated him and got him under control!! it was close, he was about to launch!!!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:19 PM
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12. "Turds, Kurks, Bring 'Em On," screamed the poo-flinging Chimp
"Bring 'Em All On!"
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:09 PM
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8. I think the W was talking about Thanksgiving?
when W said turkey he meant, you know, the bird. Cheney obviously got all excited at the prospect of another war.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:10 PM
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9. Sounds like something Rove would whisper in Novak's ear.
He was probably given the idea by his chief foreign policy advisor, Nazi Michael Ledeen. And yes, for anyone wondering, the man who wrote the book Universal Fascist is a fucking Nazi.

:hi:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:14 PM
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11. That's the way to keep a secret, tell Knovak
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:27 PM
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13. US joins Turkey's war against rebel Kurds
http://www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/0,,2138034,00.html


US joins Turkey's war against rebel Kurds


Ewen MacAskill in Washington
Monday July 30, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


Guerillas of the separatist Kurdistan Workers' party (PKK) near the Turkish border in the remote village of Lewzhe, in northern Iraq. Photo: Yahya Ahmed/AP



The Pentagon confirmed today that it is working closely with the Turkish government to crush Kurdish guerrillas operating from bases in northern Iraq.
But it refused to comment on a report that the US is planning a covert operation to send special forces into action to try to neutralise the leadership of the Kurdistan Workers party (PKK), which has been mounting attacks inside Turkey.

The US is trying to persuade the Turkish army against taking matters into its own hands by invading northern Iraq, where the Kurds have established an autonomous region.



Washington, faced with a myriad of problems in Iraq, does not need a new front opening up in the country.

Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, today would neither confirm nor deny that a covert operation is being planned. But he said: "We recognise that the PKK is a serious problem and we're working closely with both the government of Iraq and the government of Turkey to resolve this."

The veteran American columnist, Robert Novak, in the Washington Post, disclosed that Eric Edelman, an undersecretary of defence and former ambassador to Turkey, told selected Congressmen in private last week about the planned covert operation. The administration is required by law to inform Congress of any such operations.


Mr Novak wrote that the US forces would "behead the guerrilla organisation by helping Turkey get rid of PKK leaders that they have targeted for years."

The PKK has been fighting for the breakaway from Turkey of the large Kurdish population in the east of the country.

Some of the members of Congress informed were alarmed by the development at a time when they are working to find ways of stabilising Iraq and withdrawing US forces.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:37 PM
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15. Novak is dumber than a bag of door knobs.

His good pals in the WH are just telling him all the secret Pentagon plans.... :sarcasm:

He right away blabs everything he thinks he knows and al Cheyney has a patsy as well as a diversionary story. Let's leak something "secret" to Novak, GonzoGate is about to blow up in our faces.


Novak you traitorious piece of slime. Wise up.


:grr: :grr:

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:38 PM
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16. Ankara harshly condemns attack on Iraqi Turkmens office in Kirkuk
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=118116

Ankara harshly condemns attack on Iraqi Turkmens office in Kirkuk
The Turkish capitol has harshly condemned a deadly armed attack against the Iraqi Turkmen Front (ITC) office in the town of Yengice in northern Iraq over the weekend.

“… We expect the perpetrators to be captured in the shortest time and be handed over to the judiciary. Our support of efforts to build an Iraq in which all segments of the Iraqi people can live in peace and comfort will continue,” the Foreign Ministry said in a written statement released on Monday.
The death toll in Saturday evening’s attack was seven people, ITC Turkey representative Ahmet Muratlı told Anatolia news agency on Monday. ITC’s Yengice representative, Adnan Rıfat, was seriously wounded and lost two sons in attack, Muratlı said.

A volley of fire was opened from a car on the ITC Office which was also used by the Rıfat family as a residence. Yengice is 100 kilometers from the northern Iraqi province of Kirkuk. The attackers escaped by car.

Earlier this month at least 85 people were killed and 180 wounded by a suicide truck bomb in the volatile Iraqi city of Kirkuk. The blast heightened tension in the northern city shared by Kurds, Turkmen, Shiite and Sunni Arabs, which plans to hold a crucial referendum on its future. Near an office of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) run by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, the blast was one of several attacks in Kirkuk, a city supposed to vote this year on whether to join a semi-autonomous Kurdish region.

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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:41 PM
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17. All we need is a civil war between Kurds and ethnic Turks
I believe there are about 800,000 Turkumen in Iraq, living alongside about 4 million Kurds. The ethnic Turks speak a dialect of Turkish, do not consider themselves Arabs and are Sunnis for the most part. This part of Iraq could also get very ugly.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:48 PM
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18. Throw on some petroleum from the Kirkuk oil fields, and you've really got
something hot.

The newly re-elected Turkish government may be fanning the flames in order to pacify the Turkish military which supported the defeated secular party in recent elections. Apparently, the seculars take a harder line on the Kurds.

If this hots up, I wonder how many non-PKK Kurdish brigades fighting as the Iraqi army will go home to Kurdistan? That doesn't leave much of an Iraqi army, or so I've read.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:02 PM
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19. Washington’s refusal to act against the PKK has harming the US’s image in Turkey, Bagis said
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/415771.asp

ANKARA - Turkey is prepared to carry out military operations against bases of the terrorist group the PKK located inside northern Iraq, despite opposition from Washington, a senior advisor to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Sunday.
Haberin devamı

Turkey would prefer it if the US, which has troops in the region, acted to combat the terrorist group, but is ready to go it alone, Egemen Bagis, foreign policy advisor to Erdogan, said in an interview with the British newspaper the Sunday Telegraph.

“We are hoping we will not have to do it, Bagis said. “We are hoping that our allies will start doing something, but if they don’t we don’t have many options. Our allies should help us with the threat, which is clear and present. If an ally is not helping you, you either question their integrity or their ability.”

Bagis said that Washington needed to understand that Turkey was prepared to launch an operation into Iraq to strike at the PKK, saying that Ankara did not need to take permission from anyone to protect Turkish national interests.

The US’s reluctance to act against the PKK, which has an estimated 5000 militants in camps in northern Iraq, has harming Turkish-US relations, Bagis said.
“We are telling our allies that their image is going down,” he said.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:11 PM
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20. "If you don't take a step, we'll go into Iraq"
http://english.sabah.com.tr/782C83DB1AEC446CB85C26D4406D6723.html

Two important messages

1. "Gül will make a wonderful prime minister:" The AKP MP Egemen Bağış has claimed that they may announce Abdullah Gül as the prime minister and that he will make a wonderful one.

2. "We could go into Iraq at the expense of a fight against US:" He also said that Turkey might go into Iraq despite the probability of fighting against the USA. He asserted that they will not hesitate nor will ask permission from anybody in any case.




"If you don't take a step, we'll go into Iraq"


The AK Party MP Egemen Bağış has stated that if the USA does not take the necessary precautions, we will enter Iraq in spite of the probability of strife against Washington. He also asserted that they will not ask permission from anybody.

The AKP MP Egemen Bağış claimed that if the USA does not take the necessary precautions, we will enter Iraq despite the probability of strife against Washington. He also asserted that they will neither ask permission from anybody nor will they hesitate for a moment.

Bağış said that they are ready for an operation for the PKK in Iraq if the USA does not do something. He claimed that they hope not to have to do that but that the PKK is an open threat for Turkey.

Bağış also stated that he thinks we may declare Abdullah Gül as the prime minister. He said that Gül would make a wonderful prime
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:22 PM
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21. U.S. Special Forces Hunting Turkish PKK Leaders
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:47 PM
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22. Off to the Greatest with you. n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 10:06 PM
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24. How do our troops tell the difference between the PKK terra-ist type Kurds and the good type Kurds?
Edited on Mon Jul-30-07 10:33 PM by NNN0LHI
Do they wear some kind of terra-ist type uniform or carry some form of terra-ist type ID card? Do they look different? Or will any Kurds who are unlucky enough to have a 500 pound smart bomb dropped on their heads be identified as the terra-ist type Kurds no matter who they are? And isn't that pretty much what Bush had Saddam hanged for?

Don
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