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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:31 PM
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Ingmar Bergman, Tom Snyder and the Lost 70s
At first the deaths today of Tom Snyder, the idiosyncratic talk show host and Ingmar Bergman, the great Swedish filmaker, would seem to have nothing in common. But at the age of 44, and having grown up in the 70s, I can't help but think of the two together and what their passing says about today's media landscape.

Like many Americans of a certain age, I got to know Bergman through Woody Allen who referenced him in many of his films and, at times, like in the emotionally claustrophobic 1978 film, Interiors, openly mimicked Bergman's sense of despair and intense interest in the tortures (and pleasures but mostly the tortures) of family life. If you grew up in a certain suburban millieu of the 70s, as I did, with parents who voted for George McGovern, took vacations in France, and watched public television, you knew even as a 10-year-old about Scenes from a Marriage, Bergman's 1973 made-for-TV series about the despairs of marital life was a huge hit on American TV and made its way, eventually to the big screen. Liv Ullman, the Swedish actress with whom Bergman had a child and who starred in so many of his films, made the cover of Time magazine, something that's impossible to imagine today.

For his part, Snyder was ubiquitous on TV on the 70s. His late-night talk show, perhaps the last one to be filled with the host's cigarette smoke, was edgy and funny and driven by Snyder's nervous tics which were captured hilariously by Dan Aykroyd in the early years of Saturday Night Live. With a blackened set, the show was an obvious precursor of Charlie Rose. But while Charlie is an enthusiast and hyper-cordial to his guests, Snyder was confrontational. His combative interview with Johnny Rotten remains one of TV's greats. He had other shows and David Letterman tried to get him back on the air but eventually he fell from the airwaves and I confess to not having thought about him in years.

<unlike me, who saw Tom almost every day>

But the thing that I think about Snyder and Bergman's passing is that the media landscape was more forgiving of trial and error back then. A Tom Snyder, not at all pretty or slick , could have as much airtime as the ridiculous Chris Hansen's Dateline NBC's To Catch a Predator where he stings pedophiles each week in a kabuki ritual of justice triumphant that's comical at best and sad at worst, not just for what it says about pedophiles but also about what it says about TV. I watched it a couple of nights ago as Hansen set about catching predators who, upon finding out that they were on TV, were told they were "free to go" whereupon they were tackled by a ridiculously overarmed set of local police dressed like a SWAT team ready to do battle with heavily armed bankrobbers instead of a middle aged pervert. This is what NBC likes now for its prime time news instead of the likes of Tom Snyder. Today's corporate culture wouldn't allow the rise of another Snyder. It's not that there was no profit motive then but it wasn't as relentless. A Snyder could stay on the air as long as he made some money. He didn't have to make a lot of money.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:57 PM
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1. I agree...they have nothing in common
:eyes:
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 06:58 PM
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2. Snyder was surprisingly entertaining sometimes...
I really liked his "Tomorrow" show on NBC. I remember when he covered prostitutes taking the night off on the shortest night of the year--it was so off the wall.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:00 PM
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3. I've definitely had a '70s nostalgia day with these passings
Edited on Mon Jul-30-07 07:01 PM by LSparkle
Especially Snyder. I'm a bit older than you (49) and remember as a kid watching Snyder anchor the local LA NBC news for years before getting the late-night national gig. And I also grew to love Woody Allen in the 70s and thanks to him, I became familiar with Bergman's work.

I don't necessarily wish I could go back to those times PERSONALLY but the media landscape back then was much more interesting ... add to that Scorsese just beginning to make films, ditto Coppola ... yeah, people need to remember that the '70s wasn't all just disco garbage.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:20 PM
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4. God, I wish you were older than me.
I am 57.

But I got to see Tom every day until the last few weeks.

The last time I saw him was Saturday. The last thing he said to me was, "See, Tom, I told you this shit can kill you".

Damn, I miss him already.

I just did an interview with the Marin Independent Journal about him. I was crying on the damned phone.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 07:26 PM
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5. My sympathies.
I didn't know him personally and I missed him before he passed on. It must be very hard for you to deal with.
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Doc_Technical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:02 PM
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6.  In case anyone is interested,

I googled "plasmatics tomorrow show" and got this from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Tomorrow-Show-Punk-New-Wave/dp/B000BTD91W



I remember several of these shows. We probably will never see television like

this ever again.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:07 PM
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7. Kinda like comparing Tiny Tim to Bob Dylan
Other than both being popular in the '70s they nothing in common.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:48 PM
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9. That's what the article was all about. Did you read it?
Yeah, I never cared for that director guy.

But his wife was really something else.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 08:14 PM
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8. Some '70s Television Was Amazingly Creative
Edited on Mon Jul-30-07 08:15 PM by Crisco
Especially early 1970s. Remember some of the "Movies of the Week"? Maybe I'll Be Home in the Spring and The Paper Man made huge impressions on me, as a little kid.

I try to imagine the howls if The Tomorrow Show were still running and Tom chain-smoking away. He was a host who would have world leaders on one night, and Jerry Garcia & Bob Weir the next. (Sound familiar?)

I'm thankful Bergman's death is getting the notice it has. I never would have expected it, in mainstream news.
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