Good news! Poll: Americans Tuned In to the Campaign

[babylonsister]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/poll-americans-tuned-in-to-the-campaign/

July 30, 2007, 5:30 pm
Poll: Americans Tuned In to the Campaign

By Dalia Sussman

It’s the middle of summer and months before the first vote is cast, yet polls confirm what the political cognoscenti suspect: most Americans are already tuning into the presidential election.

More than two-thirds of respondents in a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this month said they were paying at least some attention to the 2008 presidential campaign. That is up substantially from this time four years ago, when 4 in 10 Americans were paying attention.

Attention is higher now than it was in July 2003 among both men and women and across all age groups. As was the case four years ago, older respondents are more likely to be engaged.

Still, attention among younger Americans is up considerably: 36 percent of those under age 30 were paying attention to the election at this point four years ago; 65 percent of them are now.

Attention among Democrats increased more than it did among Republicans (polls have shown that Democrats are much more satisfied with their party’s presidential candidates than Republicans are).

More than 7 in 10 Democrats are now engaged in the campaign, compared with just over 4 in 10 in 2003. That compares with two-thirds of Republicans who are now paying attention, up from about half.

[MrMickeysMom]

1. This seems to support the notion that getting better people into office-

... doesn't take special interest money. It takes a voter's special interest.

This is good news, as I feel the news about to hit the fan may draw even MORE interest from those young Republican voters.

[babylonsister]

2. It could also reflect people's growing concerns about this current admin,

which is what I read into it. Might be a heckuva 08 election season, if there is one. :scared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=479100&mesg_id=479100

[MrMickeysMom]

4. I think you're right, and I wonder how many people are considering Wasserman

... would be over the edge?

For the last year, my better half has been warning me, "these people are NOT going to leave!". It's not that I disbelieved him, either. It's that so many, many people this last year had not clue #1 about "how".

Well, shoot. then I sure hope there is growing concern, and I see the increased interest of the young R's and D's as a reflection of this.

I'm fit to be tied about what to do. I don't like being in a reactionary role.

[babylonsister]

5. I like to think it wouldn't happen, but when you consider two

stolen elections (imo), the lies about WMDs to get us into this illegal occupation, the death and cover-up of Tillman, 9/11??, all suggest that this admin wouldn't hesitate to do whatever it takes to retain power.
The other thought is that they will have ruined so much and gained so much wealth for themselves and their cronies, by the time they're done they won't care about the power anymore, as there might not be a whole lot to care about.

[MrMickeysMom]

7. While I'm at it, is the following question better placed on another thread...

... It relates with my agreement about this Would-be dictator, who IMO DID steal 2 elections (FL, OH) as his admin continued their blatent lies and the push into Iraq and domino effects, etc.

My husband swears there was a thread here yesterday that specifically pointed to grandpappy Prescott Bush's unholey union with facists during the depression to push a solution through at that time in response to the depression. It was an overthrow creation of a US dictatorship (which we've all since heard W joke about his interest in this easier task). Apparently, the thread talked about a deal FDR worked out with PBush, his backers, and the Republican party leaders, who would have gone for this insane solution of PBush. The obvious outcome was then the trade off of passing FDR's social programs we all know today.

Hey, I'm not as savy as searching for things here, and only found one thread about Prescott Bush, with no mention of the story above. Am I way off base?

[fed-up]

8. is this the thread on Prescott you're looking for? W Bush Fulfills His Grandfather Prescott's Dream

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1468311
W Bush Fulfills His Grandfather Prescott's Dream

Bush Fulfills His Grandfather's Dream

by David Swanson | Jul 28 2007 - 2:01pm |

It's remarkably common for a grandson to take up his grandfather's major project. This occurred to me when I read recently of Thor Heyerdahl's grandson taking up his mission to cross the Pacific on a raft. But what really struck me was the BBC story aired on July 23rd documenting President George W. Bush's grandfather's involvement in a 1933 plot to overthrow the U.S. government and install a fascist dictatorship. I knew the story, but had not considered the possibility that the grandson was trying to accomplish what his grandfather had failed to achieve.

Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895 to 1972) attended Yale University and joined the secret society known as Skull and Bones. Prescott is widely reported to have stolen the skull of Native American leader Geronimo. As far as I know, this has not actually been confirmed. In fact, Prescott seems to have had a habit of making things up. He sent letters home from World War I claiming he'd received medals for heroism. After the letters were printed in newspapers, he had to retract his claims.

If this does not yet sound like the life of a George W. Bush ancestor, try this on for size: Prescott Bush's early business efforts tended to fail. He married the daughter of a very rich man named George Herbert Walker (the guy with the compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, that now belongs to the Bush family, and the origin of Dubya's middle initial). Walker installed Prescott Bush as an executive in Thyssen and Flick. From then on, Prescott's business dealings went better, and he entered politics.

Now, the name Thyssen comes from a German named Fritz Thyssen, major financial backer of the rise of Adolph Hitler. Thyssen was referred to in the New York Herald-Tribune as "Hitler's Angel." During the 1930s and early 1940s, and even as late as 1951, Prescott Bush was involved in business dealings with Thyssen, and was inevitably aware of both Thyssen's political activities and the fact that the companies involved were financially benefiting the nation of Germany. In addition, the companies Prescott Bush profited from included one engaged in mining operations in Poland using slave labor from Auschwitz. Two former slave laborers have sued the U.S. government and the heirs of Prescott Bush for $40 billion.

Until the United States entered World War II it was legal for Americans to do business with Germany, but in late 1942 Prescott Bush's businesses interests were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act. Among those businesses involved was the Hamburg America Lines, for which Prescott Bush served as a manager. A Congressional committee, in a report called the McCormack-Dickstein Report, found that Hamburg America Lines had offered free passage to Germany for journalists willing to write favorably about the Nazis, and had brought Nazi sympathizers to America. (Is this starting to remind anyone of our current president's relationship to the freedom of the press?)

The McCormack-Dickstein Committee was established to investigate a homegrown American fascist plot hatched in 1933. Here's how the BBC promoted its recent story:
"Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy."


CONTINUED...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9012

[MrMickeysMom]

10. Actually, it WAS found there...

... but was linked to the second link. Thanks.

from Smirkingchimp.com-

The BBC report provides a good account of the basic story. Some of the wealthiest men in America approached Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, beloved of many World War I veterans, many of them embittered by the government's treatment of them...

<[b>Prescott Bush's group asked Butler to lead 500,000 veterans in a take-over of Washington and the White House. Butler refused and recounted the affair to the congressional committee. His account was corroborated in part by a number of witnesses, and the committee concluded that the plot was real. But the names of wealthy backers of the plot were blacked out in the committee's records, and nobody was prosecuted. According to the BBC, President Roosevelt cut a deal. He refrained from prosecuting some of the wealthiest men in America for treason. They agreed to end Wall Street's opposition to the New Deal

[fed-up]

6. the MSM has already chosen top three runners-minimal coverage of other runners-f*ck em nt

[babylonsister]

9. There's lots of time to turn that perception around if someone floats

to the top who gains positive attention.

[opihimoimoi]

3. En Avant Le Bastille mes amis

The Peeps are bringing their pitchforks and pikes to Le Bastille