Someone please explain to me.

[Zueda]

We have undoubtedly the most secretive Vice Presidency in history and one of his closest advisers, Mary Matelin, happens to be married to James Carville who is one of the closest advisers to the Clinton's. How does this add up in reality? How is it possible that Cheney can trust Matelin and the Clinton's can trust Carville? Is it blind faith, ignorance or what?

If you were Cheney(I know that's hard to imagine for most)would you have Matelin as a close adviser?

If you were the Clinton's would you continue to keep Carville as an adviser?

Even if Carville and Matelin made a point to keep their personal lives separate from their professional lives what's to keep secrets from being unintentionally revealed from one to the other?

[acmavm]

1. Well, I don't trust the Clintons. So I guess it all makes sense to me.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

2. Welcome to DU, Zueda.

[Horse with no Name]

3. DLC is whack and hack

and anyone that still buys into it is the same.

[seemslikeadream]

4. Extremely interesting,

isn't it? :hi:

[Zueda]

5. BTW

I know its clear who I don't support. But this is one of the many little reasons why I don't. This is one question that I would like to clarify.

[Jack Bone]

6. birds of a feather...

[The Wielding Truth]

7. They are both salesmen and * and Clinton are products.

It means little to the product who sells them, although it should. When you hire an advertising firm you just want a successful campaign. The advertiser can represent your competitor and still you would get the best ideas for your product.

At least that's the way it is in our Corporate Amerika.

[Zueda]

10. So this likely continuation of a dynasty

Is somewhat of a tag team effort? Just today I hear that Ken Starr's firm has donated mostly to the Clinton campaign.

It's funny how that impeachment soured Amerika to the impeachment process. That's sure is coming in handy now. Not to mention the bipartisan effort that followed shortly afterwards which allowed the legislation that gave congress the ability to initiate a Special Prosecutor to expire.

*Begin Rant*

Then the fact that Chertoff was the one and only USA that Clinton did not fire and now he is the Secretary of Homeland Defense.

Then Clinton and Bush Sr seemingly being best of buds.

Is it true Hillary sat on the board for Walmart? Hows Walmarts business doing under Bush's policies?

Who does Walmart mostly support regarding campaign contributions?

Walmart...they're from Arkansas aren't they?


Arggghhhhh!

*End rant*

Bet your bottom dollar when Hillary is elected we will hear "Bipartsinship" this and "Bipartisanship" that. It will be used repeatedly as a reason to put the brakes on what could be the second coming of a Great Progressive era.

Whenever I hear the word "Bipartisan" from DC I know that all Americans are getting ready to get screwed!

Do I want a consensus builder?

Absolutely.

Do I want more "Bipartisanship"?

NO!

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. During the 2004 debacle, Carville found out Kerry was going to call for a recount and called Matelin

Then, the repukes started their spin machine and Kerry backed down on the recount. Here's what I think, but I'm a nobody, so take this for what it's worth ;)...I think Carville PURPOSELY threw a wrench in the Kerry recount because if Kerry was the president, he'd run again in 2008 and then his VP would run in 2012 and Clinton didn't want to wait until 2012, 2016 or 2020 to run. Voila! Carville saves the day. The Clinton War Room worked wonders.:(

[librechik]

9. they all keep quiet to protect each other's jobs. Even if they are "adversaries"

Carville blabbed all the dems strategy to Matalin. I guess the Dems in DC don't care!

[VP505]

11. They all have the

morals of a alley cat, (sorry alley cats) its a very interesting symbiosis, one can only guess how they use each other. My best guess is that the Clinton's act as one, looking out for their combined interests but Carville and Matelin are different, they present a facade of independence while each works those who they are aligned with for both their gain. Knowing that if something Carville tells Matelin or vice versa could ruin both their games, they are very careful not to let that happen. If I were the Clinton's, I might keep Carville as an adviser but I damned sure wouldn't say anything to him that I didn't want Matelin to know. Its likely as smart ad Mr Clinton is, that they use Carville to leak what they want. I wouldn't even speculate about Cheney, that's a horse with different spots. That's how I see it but I could be wrong.

[ecstatic]

12. Between all the secret societies (skulls and bones), family and advisor ties,

lack of impeachment, etc... Sometimes you can't help but wonder if they're all working together. How is it that Watt considers Bush a "personal friend?"

[Zueda]

13. Did you happen to see that video

Where David Gergan was asked about is membership in the Bohemian Grove society? It was a little....freaky.

[Avalux]

14. There's nothing to explain.

Cheney, the Clintons....they are members of the ruling class and they stick together, regardless of political party affiliation. It's a world we aren't meant to be a part of and none of them have any loyalty to us.

[DutchLiberal]

15. New question: why are Clinton and Bush Sr. suddenly such great friends?

[Individualist]

16. The reality is that Carville and the Clintons are DLC

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

Without a doubt, the DLC is the most fundamentalist organization within the caucus, the most ideologically rigid, and the most destructive to the progressive cause.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/24/1712/23448

[Zueda]

17. From my understanding of the DLC

To say "The Neocon and DLCs ideology are in essence the same" is correct.

If not... can someone please tell me how they differ?

Aren't both basically socially liberal but militarily conservative?

[TwilightGardener]

18. More interesting, Matalin is an advisor for Fred Thompson.