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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:29 AM
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Gonzales Letter Confirms Cover-up
Gonzales Letter Confirms Cover-up
by drational
Thu Aug 02, 2007

the confusion over Gonzales' testimony regarding Warrantless Wiretapping originates in the Bush Administration's deceptive selective declassification.

Gonzales' 8/1/07 letter http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/letter-gonzales/ to Senators Specter and Leahy, he discloses that the TSP was a selectively declassified program that conveniently allowed the administration to "talk around" the controversial aspects of the NSA-driven surveillance program, and cover up the controversy and any illegality.


The name "Terrorist Surveillance Program" was meant to replace the MSM's initial use of the term "NSA warrantless domestic spying" by trying to focus attention on the "terrorist" end of the communications. But in retrospect, it's clear they created it to facilitate the game of Three Card Monte that they've been playing with the American people to hide the true extent of their illegal activities. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/8/1/63547/95655/190#c190


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The cover-up of illegal activity is manifest as follows:

Selective disclosure of a small, non-controversial portion of the NSA-driven Surveillance Program

Naming a selected, noncontroversial portion of the NSA-driven Surveillance Program as the “Terrorist Surveillance Program”

Applying the TSP terminology reatroactively to artificially segregate this selective portion of the broader NSA-driven Surveillance Program.

Testifying, briefing, or otherwise speaking publicly to suggest that the TSP encompassed all of the NSA-driven Surveillance Program.

Refusing to acknowledge the controversial (and probably illegal) aspects of the program as a part of the original, single NSA-driven Surveillance Program, by repeatedly referencing the TSP.

more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/2/71923/97986


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:32 AM
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1. We're going to have to keep this kicked. .
to keep it from going under the bridge. .
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:34 AM
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2. And recommended......
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 08:20 AM
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8. Good luck.
This will not make the mass media news.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:24 PM
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12. LOL, K&R n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:35 AM
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3. Get thee to the greatest n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:36 AM
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4. As usual, kpete makes it all make sense. K&R. n/t.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:37 AM
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5. K & R...n/t
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:44 AM
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6. Does anyone know what definition this administration uses
to define a terrorist? Just curious, because I read that the quakers were being observed by this administration.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 08:16 AM
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7. They have deliberately NOT defined it.. .They want the term
as fluid as possible so they can add & subtract "terrorists" at will.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 06:00 AM
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26. "Terrorist" means anyone who isn't a Loyal Bushie.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 08:22 AM
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9. kick
thanks kpete.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 09:16 AM
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10. this story is unlikely to receive any coverage for some time to come
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 09:17 AM
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11. K&R
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:57 PM
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13. And now we know why Specter wants to pull the plug on Gonzo--
in order to shut down the inquiry into the whole surveillance program before its extent gets revealed to public view. Wanna bet every major Democratic candidate in the 2004 primaries was a "terrorist?"

Let me ask again what I asked back a couple years ago when some of this was first showing its ugly head:

Were there any actions taken by Repugs during the 2004 election that might indicate that they had unusual knowledge of the insides of their opponents' campaigns? For example, did they ever do anything that would indicate "preternatural" knowledge of Kerry's campaign plans?
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 03:11 PM
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14. Wow.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 03:51 PM
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15. Argh, Is there some place where I can read the original letter?!?
Certainly there is somewhere. I don't understand the need for TPM to logoize these docs when they are public records. I went to the senate's site and that another hellhole to muddle through.

I would rather view the originals than some former version there of. Anybody know where I need to go:shrug:

I've also been searching thru google and everything ends up at TPM.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:22 PM
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16. they admit to the lie only to cover up the murder
as I've said before...

if they admit to one thing, it's only to cover up something worse
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:30 PM
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17. OBTW: The post office takes a photograph of the face of every piece of mail it processes
I saw that on a Discovery Channel documentary about the USPS, months ago.

Why is that data being collected? Where is it stored? What is it used for?

I was reminded of this when I heard about the "other" surveillance programs.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 10:12 PM
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19. As I understand it...
The information isn't actually stored. It's run through an optical character recognition system, which generates a barcode for easier transmission as the letter travels through their system.

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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:42 PM
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22. that would make perfect sense
we have mail (delivery point sequence-dps) mail whose address is read by a machine and put into route order. The carriers take it directly to the street and each letter has a barcode on it to send it to supposedly the right address- if the machine isn't having a bad day!
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:47 PM
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23. I actually did a presentation this morning for a class.
And it was about the USPS processes, and some ways to update them to add speed and accuracy.

So, it was just awesome timing that this thread came along. :-)
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 08:22 AM
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30. thanks for answering my question
the documentary was imprecise in its language I guess.

nice to have one less worry!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 07:47 PM
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18. IMPEACH!
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:10 PM
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20. K&R
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:35 PM
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21. The real reason they call anyone to the left,


any Democrat, any anti-war protester, any anyone they disagree with a "terrorist."

Hell, we're all terrorists, 70% of us who disagree with *'s policies.

We sure are quiet, well-behaved little terrorists, aren't we?

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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 04:25 AM
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24. Kick and R!
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 04:25 AM
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25. K&R!
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 04:26 AM by DeSwiss
kpete, thanks for raking that muck up so we can see it! :)
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 06:06 AM
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27. If dems can't get rid of him- they've failed. n/t
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 07:05 AM
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28. Welcome to the "I Don't Recall Machine"
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 07:17 AM
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29. K-Pete - Consider this for a moment if you will
This is trivial, but all the little pieces add up to the whole.

Whatever the program is or the parts of it are one thing seems to remain pretty constant. Its execution is always attributed to the NSA. Back in 2002 John Poindexter was running the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program out of the Pentagon, under the DARPA program. Funding for the TIA was killed in 2003 if I remember correctly.

If the current illegal program is the daughter of modern day's equivalent of wire tapping (no wires with a cell phone but the idea is the same) mated with massive personal information collection it might very well still reside on the Virginia side of the Potomac, not Maryland's. As I said, just a trivial thing, but maybe even the location of the program is subject to misdirection.



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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 09:49 AM
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31. kick! There is no end to their malnipulative ways! n/t
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