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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:34 PM
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My wife's friend pointed this out to us: this is the Third week in a row some major failure happen
July 18th - Steam pipe explosion in New York.
July 25th - Gas tank explosion in Dallas.
Aug 1st - Bridge collapse in Minneapolis


should we be looking at this as some sort of pattern?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:35 PM
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1. No
Disasters happen all the time.

:tinfoilhat:
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:38 PM
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2. true they do happen all the time... but what are the chances they all happed on a Wed
and exactly 7 days apart?


Just some weird fluk?
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:03 PM
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11. Next Wednesday we'll know if it's a pattern.
:scared:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:38 PM
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3. Don't forget Mitt Romney's legacy in Massachusetts!
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 12:39 PM by IanDB1
Patrick: 27 Mass. bridges similar in design to Minn. bridge Click here to hide this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x12993

Manhole covers, grates scrutinized statewide
By Peter Reuell/Daily News Staff
GHS
Wed Aug 01, 2007, 12:26 AM EDT

Work crews will inspect every storm grate and manhole cover on state highways, state transportation officials said yesterday, following a series of incidents over a four-day period beginning last Friday involving loose grates and manhole covers.

On Friday, one man was seriously injured when a 250-pound storm grate flew into the air and smashed through his windshield as he drove on Rte. 128.

Days later, a Logan Express bus was damaged during the Monday morning commute on I-93 when a loose manhole cover became lodged in the vehicle's wheel well.

Only hours after that incident, and only yards away, two cars were damaged when they hit an open manhole, causing one to spin out, while the second had two blown tires.

More:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/homepage/x1951940852





Also (From the Libertarian {pot-smoking Republican} magazine 'Reason'):
Originally published in Public Works Financing

Addressing the "Big Dig Syndrome"

by Robert W. Poole, Jr.
Robert W. Poole Jr. is director of transportation studies and founder of the Reason Foundation. His email address is bobp@reason.org.

May 14, 2004 -- The transportation infrastructure industry has a major credibility problem. Its track record on mega-projects is terrible. The costs are often grossly under-estimated, and traffic is all too often over-estimated. A poster child for the problem is Boston ’s infamous Big Dig (Central Artery/Tunnel) project, originally pegged at $3 billion and now finally completed for nearly $15 billion. Many recent rail projects have similar, well-documented histories. It’s going to be harder and harder to get public and political support for much-needed mega-projects unless we can come up with better-performing delivery models.

That is the challenge taken up by Danish academic Bent Flyvbjerg and colleagues in Megaprojects and Risk (Cambridge University Press, 2003), which I highly recommend. They document the global nature of the problem, analyze its causes, and offer very useful ideas on doing better.

First, they cite studies showing that this is hardly a new problem, nor is it unique to a few countries. One of the most comprehensive studies ( Aalburg University ) covers 258 highway and rail projects ($90 billion worth) in 20 countries. Nearly all (90%) suffered cost overruns, with the average rail project costing 45% more than projected, the average highway project 20% more. Traffic forecasts were also far from accurate, with rail projects generating an average of 39% less traffic than forecast (though highway projects averaged a 9% under-estimate of traffic).

Flyvbjerg concludes that the “cost estimates used in public debates, media coverage, and decision-making for transport infrastructure are highly, systematically, and significantly deceptive. So are the cost-benefit analyses.” And most controversially, that this “cannot be explained by error and seem{s} to be best explained by strategic misrepresentation, namely lying.”

More:
http://www.rppi.org/bigdigsyndrome.shtml


Also:




ARCHIVES

Critics: Reject possible Big Dig deal; They say contractor would be let off the hook

By TOM BENNER
Patriot Ledger State House Bureau

BOSTON - Questions are being raised about a possible deal to free top officials of the Big Dig’s prime contractor from any possible criminal charges in return for a payment of up to $1 billion.

Officially, there is no word from the state on what is being discussed with Bechtel/Parsons Brinckerhoff to settle claims related to cost overruns and poor workmanship. The deal would free the Big Dig contractor from responsibility for known or future defects in the tunnel system under Boston.

The agreement under discussion also would release officials of the construction consortium - Bechtel Corp. and Parsons Brinckerhoff - from any possible criminal charges related to the ceiling collapse a year ago that killed Milena Del Valle, 39, of Boston.

While Attorney General Martha Coakley continues to negotiate the deal, with Gov. Deval Patrick’s support, longtime members of the Legislature’s Joint Committee on Transportation say Bechtel should not be allowed to walk away with no civil and criminal liability.

More:
http://www.patriotledger.com/articles/2007/07/23/news/news03.txt


Also:

Sex, Drugs, and Our Crumbling Infrastructure
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-mcquaid/sex-drugs-and-our-crumb_b_58850.html

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:38 PM
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4. Yes. We have neglected our infrastructure for too long.
It isn't sexy, it isn't cool. But we need to spend billions repairing our old crap.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:40 PM
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5. Other Third-World Countries and Banana Republics don't take care of their infrastructure, either.
Other Third-World Countries and Banana Republics don't take care of their infrastructure, either.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1495367&mesg_id=1495367
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:40 PM
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6. I call it the Bummers of the Summer - they usually come in sets of three
At least that's how my life has been most of the time.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:41 PM
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7. things fall apart
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:43 PM
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9. ... particularly when you don't fix them.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:43 PM
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8. A pattern of neglect
Who needs conspiracies when we live in an era of utter abdication of responsibility?

--p!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 12:48 PM
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10. We had a water main break here in suburban Detroit that made the national news July 12.
It flooded I-96 and stranded several cars. Nowhere nearly as catastrophic but still demonstrative of failing infrastructure.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/UPDATE/707120465

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:09 PM
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14. I remember that clearly...the same thing happens in Tulsa frequently.
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 01:10 PM by karlrschneider
The water system is crumbling, the streets are mostly potholes surrounded by small pieces of road and they want to raise the sales tax to get 150 million to beautify the riverfront.
:eyes:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:05 PM
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12. Bridge collapse in Oroville, CA on July 31 also.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:07 PM
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13. Well, to be fair, the Dallas incident doesn't appear to have any connection to
degrading infrastructure. Explosions at welding supply yards are fairly common.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:00 PM
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16. Garden variety industrial accident ..
Albeit spectacular.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:07 PM
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17. Yup.
:hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:23 PM
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20. Though you do NOT want to be in the neighborhood
or be a first responder to one of those

DUCK!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 01:54 PM
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15. well....

july 17:
Larry Flynt: "I have 30 names. You will be shocked."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1363696

Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

CONYERS THREATENS CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST RNC-CHAIR DUNCAN & MIERS & BOLTEN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1359638

Important point from DC Madam on Larry King = Blackmail
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1367795

CNN Headline: Sen. Vitter: New Orleans prostitute stories untrue
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1354078

july 18:
Leahy sets up Gonzales for impeachment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1370071

WTF? Leader of Al Qaeda Group in Iraq Was FICTIONAL-U.S. Military Admits: Actor Provided Audio Tapes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1373632


july 25
CONTEMPT CHARGES PASSED!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1432085

Former Judiciary Chair (Specter) Calls For Probe into Roberts, Alito
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1432912

KO reports breaking --AP Has Obtained Intel Report Proves Gonzo Lied Under Oath! LINK
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1436603

Breaking: CONTEMPT citations going out for Miers and Bolten - TODAY
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429601

BBC: The Original White House Coup - All In The (BUSH) Family
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429754

Plame Lawyer: Team Plans To Take Case To U.S. Supreme Court If U.S. Court Of Appeals Rejects Appeal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1429542


august 1
****** Official Tillman hearing - Thread #1 ********
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1485888&mesg_id=1485888


i'm exhausted. you get the idea.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:10 PM
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18. The US is a vast country with vast infrastructure
While usually the failures aren't quite as, uh, dramatic, I'm not sure if there's a week that goes by without some kind of explosion or collapse or huge fire or whatever else in the country. Things will happen now and then, particularly if we're under a government that's more concerned with cutting taxes than performing basic maintenance.

(Also, if They were going to blow things up for whatever reasons, I'm sure They would pick a slightly less transparent pattern to do it in.)
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 02:15 PM
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19. Bush sez "screw the American people; we have to build bridges and roads in Iraq"
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 02:16 PM by MindPilot
Treasonous traitor George Bush has diverted so much money to building stuff in Iraq, that the infrastructure in America is quite literally falling apart.
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