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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:07 PM
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From a wire story about the bridge collapse:
"National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Mark Rosenker
said investigators planned to rebuild the bridge piece by piece
off-site to try to reconstruct what happened. "

Gee. Is that what's supposed to happen? I wonder why they didn't do that after You Know What.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:08 PM
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1. That is very interesting, ain't it?
As I recall, they also do the same with most airplanes after crashes.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:09 PM
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2. Was just going to say that
about airplanes. :)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:10 PM
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4. Great minds think alike!
:D
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:12 PM
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9. There were not any airplanes to rebuild from the towers. But the other 2...
Bastards!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:09 PM
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3. I can save em a whole lot of time and money....
the cause was neglect.

Rust happens.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:11 PM
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7. Rust happens. Succinct, perfect! nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 05:09 PM
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31. Cracks happen, too. Especially in the far north.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:10 PM
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5. Actually, I Don't Know What
I'm thinking that was a reference to 9/11 and Ground Zero -- but the 17th St. Canal floodwall would be right up there, too. :(
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:12 PM
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10. It's Bushy all over.
I hope they keep him far away from the collapse. I don't want another scene where' hes' politicking for Victory while standing on the graves of innocents.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:16 PM
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14. Too late, it is already announced that Chimp in going for the photo op in a
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 04:22 PM by partylessinOhio
few days.


Edit to add:

    Bush offers help restoring fallen bridge
    By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
    11 minutes ago



    WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Thursday that structural deficiencies were found two years ago in the highway bridge that collapsed in Minneapolis and it was the state's responsibility to fix them. Congress began working on a $250 million package of federal assistance.

    President Bush, who will travel to the scene of the disaster on Saturday, said the federal government would help rebuild the bridge in the city that will host next year's Republican National Convention.

    "We in the federal government must respond, and respond robustly, to help the people there not only recover, but to make sure that lifeline of activity — that bridge — gets rebuilt as quickly as possible," Bush said after a Cabinet meeting.

    Still stung by harsh criticism of the government's sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina, Bush talked with state and local officials in Minnesota, and the administration dispatched officials to the scene. ...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bush_bridge_collapse;_ylt=Ah.DRs4Gn.TWa5hXkC7y1gOs0NUE

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:41 PM
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21. Oh..that just makes me sick...
has he been to New Orleans lately? Oops..my bad..Minnesota has a republican governor.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:10 PM
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6. Shhh.
Agent Mike is taking his afternoon nap and he really hates it when we wake him up with this sort of unpatriotic talk.

x(
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:11 PM
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8. Uh, the bridge wasn't hit by a 700000 pound airplane.
:eyes:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:16 PM
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13. Neither was Building Seven.
so why even bother? Just rebuild it however it happens and not even worry about why it failed.

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:23 PM
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16. No...building 7 was hit by several MILLION pounds of debris.
But I'm bowing out of this discussion...the CD tinfoil nuts piss me off and I say nasty things.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:44 PM
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25. I must agree.
There is a matter of perspective, perception, size, feasibility, and other legitimate reasons why they couldn't put the WTC back together to confirm or denounce any theories.

Besides, many theories were found by looking at the debris. The 'conspiracy' theories ultimately don't add up.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:47 PM
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28. Yes and also it would have accomplished nothing. Attempting to reconstruct
a building that fell down for reasons we already know perfectly well would be a billion dollar boondoggle. But I'm (pleasantly) surprised somebody didn't think to give Halliburton a no-bid contract to do it anyway...
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:59 PM
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30. You seem to know a lot about it.
So you believe that the whole thing was a big surprise to the Bush administration? They had no idea that this was coming?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 05:23 PM
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33. I do not think they were particularly surprised. That is a totally different
area of inquiry from speculating about mysterious "missing" evidence from the wreckage of the WTC.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:12 PM
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11. "I wonder why they didn't do that after You Know What"
Are you kidding?

Do you have any idea of the scope of that kind of reconstruction, especially considering how much of the concrete and structural material was ground to powder in the collapse?

Why don't they reconstruct woodlands after a forest fire to see how the flames progressed? It would be no more difficult than what you're proposing!

:tinfoilhat:

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:14 PM
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12. Really? They managed to gather up and ship out most of the iron
within a day or two. It would have been nice to be able to at least look at that, even if reconstruction is impractical.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:22 PM
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15. Do you really think that's equivalent to looking at debris from a bridge?
It would have been nice to be able to at least look at that, even if reconstruction is impractical.

To what possible end? Would such an examination have satisfied the conspiracy-minded among us that no LIHOP/MIHOP skullduggery was afoot? I doubt it.


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:44 PM
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26. you think some kind of examination..
might have helped?..with any thing that's going on? If this government was truthful about anything we wouldn't be in the shit we are. They lie. When people don't know the truth..you know what happens...They Guess.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:24 PM
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17. Never try to teach pigs to sing...
you know the rest. ;-)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:26 PM
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19. Yeah, we know that, but....
did you notice how there was really no attempt at reconstruction whatsoever? No forensic detective work? Just a couple of articles in Newsweek and Time identifying the dead highjackers and that was it, case closed.

The Bush administration even tried to stop the 9/11 Commission from being created. Then they stacked the committee, tightly controlled what material the Commission was allowed to see, and never acted on any of the recommendations.

It doesn't require conspiracy theories to see that there was very little investigation of what happened on 9/11.

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:34 PM
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20. Someone is lying to you. A LOT of the structural steel was examined by
metallurgists at the Fresh Kills landfill for weeks. The 9/11 Commission is a completely different matter...it was impeded by Bushco because there were MANY unanswered questions, legitimate ones and needed to be addressed without sashaying off into nutball land with speculation of controlled demolition and crap like that.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:41 PM
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22. You're the only one talking about controlled demolition.
In fact, what ARE you talking about? Someone is lying to me? How do YOU know that?

My post was about the 9/11 Commission. You acknowledge that there are a lot of unanswered, legitimate questions. So why bring up "controlled demolition" and other theories? Doesn't that just muddy the water? Are you trying to distract from the legitimate questions by making fun of oddball theories?

What are you doing that?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:43 PM
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24. Okay ask the OP if he/she thinks it was controlled demolition.
I see it strongly implied, maybe you don't.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:57 PM
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29. Every time anybody tries to talk about the 9/11 Commission
some idiot starts squawking about "controlled demolition" and the tin foil hat icons come out. What are you guys trying to do, anyway?

Do you believe that Condi Rice really had no idea that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack the U.S.? If you don't believe her, then aren't you interested in learning more?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 05:20 PM
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32. I think Condisleazy is an ignorant lying slut and so is her 'boss.'
I would LOVE to learn why she and Chimp didn't pay any attention to the August 8, 2001 PDB. And why NORAD couldn't manage to intercept any of the hijacked airliners. And why they ignored the warnings of Sandy Berger and the Hart-Rudman report and why they decided to invade Iraq instead of chasing down OBL and a few hundred other unanswered questions. I'm NOT interested in delving into idiot CTs about WHAT happened on 9/11...I want to know HOW and WHY.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:25 PM
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18. Keith Ellison (D - District 5*) *District 5 includes Minneapolis
Keith Ellison (D - District 5*) *District 5 includes Minneapolis
1130 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
ellison.house.gov
(202) 225-4755
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:46 PM
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27. interesting--thanks rodeodance
:loveya:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 04:42 PM
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23. Because the WTC towers were too big to readily reconstruct?
I see your point of view, but to do the same with the WTC was impossible.

Besides, CNN said in 2002 we had to give the steel to China.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/23/china.wtcsteel/

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