"No Quarters" Comments On "DEEP THROAT" (For those Of You-Like Me-That Needed Translations)

[kpete]

Read The comments at No Quarter - some good summary info - for those of you (like me) who had a difficult time reading "anonymous" there are some good/concise breakdowns, below is just one example, kpete


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/02/calling-all-intelmilitarygovt-regulars/#comments

He (assume he based on voice and language) seems to be making four sets of allegations based on reading many of his posts - i’ll be as concise as I can be:

(1) Domestic intelligence information was redirected to political operators in the WH and GOP for political dirty tricks.

(2) Incriminating docs were destroyed by WH, DOJ and others w/r/t illegal activities by this administration. They relate to exec branch actions before and after 9-11, before and after TSP was publicized, and before and after secret prisons were revealed. Anonymous believes that in some instances these actions might amount to war crimes. Anonymous believes that the docs were destroyed once WH realized potential leaks/liability.

(3) However, there are third party copies of incriminating documents, including those that were destroyed, that can be found and/or subpoenaed from the right sources. Executive privilege won’t work because non-governmental third parties have these documents.

(4) IPs, email headers, referrer logs, metadata, etc. from material released to date and the 3p copies floating out there that can show the “networks” of government and non-gov individuals, corps, lawyers, and law firms involved.

At this point I don’t think its accurate to label him an “insider deep throat” or a “crackpot.” I know he’s got some things wrong - at one post probably from the same person - at CREW - he puts Turley at Georgetown when he’s at GW, see this link… but that could be an honest mistake (it suggests he’s not from DC). On the other hand, some of what he is saying is well researched and makes sense technically (as well as explaining bizarre behavior by the WH, DoD and DoJ as well as actions by some implicated corps/persons).

[MADem]

1. Even people who live in DC confuse GW with Georgetown. I mean, they DON'T, but they do...

As in "Gee, I saw Cesaria Evora perform at GW...I mean, Georgetown...she was great!!!" They both start with George, hell!

Fascinating.....!!!!!!!!

[cascadiance]

13. And I lived near "M Street" in DC as a kid, and some might think I lived near Georgetown...

... when I didn't. The M Street where I lived now is not a great part of town, but in those days in the 60's it was a lot better. So yeah, there can be confusion in a lot of places in DC...

[pacalo]

2. Thanks, kpete!

I'm with you -- I needed a more concise breakdown.

[babylonsister]

3. (3) WHO are these non-gov third parties, and what are they waiting for?

Thanks, kpete!

[pacalo]

5. My first thought was communications companies.

Also, wouldn't any third party have been instructed to destroy the information before it could be used against the cabal?

[jasmeel]

7. What about a Blackwater type company? They would have to have

those doc's and they'd be involved in the extraordinary rendition??

[NashVegas]

8. Perhaps Whitehouse.org?

Remember the caging list? Isn't that where it came from?

[DeSwiss]

25. From his post at TPMmuckraker on July 29th....

Here he is referring to claims of RNC about unions "attacking" RNC offices to the DoJ:

Excerpt:

Consider: RNC wrote a note/letter to the unions "complaining" about "unions" attacking the RNC offices.

6. If you could convince someone "your opponent' was engaged in "dirty tricks" would that not convince some of the opposition to rejoin you and denounce "the opposition"?

7. Then consider: Supposedly the RNC 'knew" enough to write a letter to "who was involved"? Why didn't the US Atty's bring prosecutions:

8. The information in the RNC/DoJ offices will show you:
A. What basis there was to conclude "the unions" were behind the attacks ;
B. The subsequent discussion on prosecutions, or non-prosecutions;
C. Which DoJ staff liaison were involved with the campaigns;
D. The IP Numbers for the DOJ Staff not involved on processing FISA warrants, but engaged in discussions/non-official business using official government resources.

9. Evidence isn't just what exists, but what is _absent_ but what _should exist_

*snip*

Questions

A. Which DoJ Small Business Contract personnel were involved with the computer/IT/SW updates related to the DOJ-RNC file transfer systems; (See 2)

B. Where is a copy of the computer utilization meeting minutes where the pro/con of a file transfer system was discussed; who approved the budget profile within DoJ; and how was this decision coordinated with the RNC; (See 2)

C. If the file transfer system was in place -- and not subject to any "recent" review (Since 2001), why did Goodling not rely on the auto-notify feature when forwarding the updates to the readers?

D. Where are the e-mail notifications to the DoJ staff related to authorization for them to use, access, and transfer data using this file transfer system; when were the authorizations sent; who ensured the continued use and access to this system was proper; how were non-official uses of this system monitored; were there any efforts by non-DoJ personnel to use this system to transfer non-official records?

link:http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003805.php

[Zodiak]

4. interesting indeed K&R n/t

[rubberducky]

6. kpete, thank you for all you have given us on "deep throat".

I sincerely hope that this is the real deal. I have read everything that you have posted on this. It`s very slow going for me, but what "deep throat" has to say is incredible. Thanks kpete!!

[Old and In the Way]

9. Thanks....I was having a hard time deciphering his posts.

Nothing that we haven't long suspected with this administration. I do think there must be 3rd party copies of some of these e-mails that might be insurance policies for some of these people.

[AzDar]

10. Thanks for posting this, kpete. Very informative!

[mmonk]

11. Thanks kpete

Now I can pull them and have this as summary. Makes it a lot better. At some parts, it was like reading streams of consciousness.

[mod mom]

12. I was hoping Larry Johnson would comment on authenticity.

[lonestarnot]

14. Not in the know enough to know here. Beats me.

[mmonk]

15. You know, it doesn't matter what is found.

Nothing will be done that will really make a difference.

[rucky]

16. Didn't Leahy say this morning that he had these emails? n/t

[DeSwiss]

27. According to this article...

...from Think Progress, he made that statement it on June 14th:

"Today, during a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting, Leahy revealed that the White House does indeed have the emails, but has yet to turn them over to Congress:

The White House stonewalling the congressional investigative committees continues this pattern of confrontation over cooperation. We all remember when they first announced to us that significant e- mails that we wanted had been destroyed. They’d been lost. I stated on the floor of the Senate that it’s relatively easy to find those lost e-mails. This brought another blast from the White House, saying that I obviously had no understanding of how the Internet works and of course that couldn’t be done.

To their credit, the White House has now told me they — well, yes indeed, I was right; they were wrong. The e-mails are found. They were there in a backup system, although they have yet to give them.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/14/leahy-emails/

[MsMagnificent]

17. K & R

Need to peruse this later...

[Buttercup McToots]

18. Good Mornin`

:donut:

[HamdenRice]

19. question -- what is "TSP"?

I assume that CREW is the committee to re-elect W?

Thanks in advance

[DeSwiss]

22. TSP is....

...the Terrorist Surveillance Program, which Fredo and Mueller mentioned their testimony and which the WH began to pitch to try and distract people from the NSA illegal jobs....

and CREW - http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29149">Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which is where he posted the referenced "Turly" info...

on edit: spelling

[HamdenRice]

24. Duh!

For some reason I have difficulty remembering all the acronyms.

Thanks!

[DeSwiss]

28. De nada...

:D

[DeSwiss]

20. K&R!!!

Keeping away..

[OzarkDem]

21. He made a couple more points

(5) That Dems know the details of Bush's domestic spying program, because they're funding it.

(6) Because of this knowledge, Dems already have a good case against the Bush administration for impeachment or similar charges

(7) That Dems can put pressure on Bush to stop these programs by cutting funding for the DOJ budget.

[DeSwiss]

29. And those are all excellent points....

...but instead we get a lot of smoke and mirrors from Rockefeller, Reid and Leahy about a "temporary" FISA fix. What the hell for? Is technology going to advance that far in 30 days? Why be slipshod and slap a patch on the laws that affect our civil liberties.

Oh, wait. Right.

The Congress of today couldn't carry the jock strap of Sam Ervin, or even Howard Baker. They were backroom politicians true, but they wouldn't stand around getting reamed in broad daylight in front of the whole world and everybody while Bush thumbs his nose at the law. Pissants, the lot of them....

There is only one solution....
IMPEACH!!!

[OzarkDem]

30. Agree, its so embarassing

Sam Ervin must be rolling over in his grave every time Reid or Pelosi open their pie-holes. Its such an insult to their hard work.

[Gregorian]

32. Something occurs to me. It may be idiotic, but.

And it most certainly has been thought of by now.


Maybe Pelosi is waiting for something. Something very specific, before impeachment is on the table. Something critical that will yield everything they need for total convictions.

[Buttercup McToots]

23. Where is the latest place he is posting?

Like yesterday...today?

[gasperc]

26. Fielding not telling Leahy what he does seems huge

I mean to exclaim executive privilege when asked to explain what he does? To me anyway, this seems like it could blow things wide open

[sojourner]

31. any news on whether anybody hearing about this and DOING something with it?

and thanks for posting this -- it confirms what i thought i got out of reading -anon- as far as his main points are concerned.