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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 09:53 AM
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SOMEBODY CALL A WHAAAMBULANCE!!!!!!!!!
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/08/republicans_walk_out_of_house_in_protest/
Republicans Walk out of House in Protest
James Joyner | Friday, August 3, 2007

Patrick O’Connor reports on a bizarre incident last night wherein the Republicans stormed out of the House of Representatives after a shouting match with the Democrats.

The flap represents a complete breakdown in parliamentary procedure and an unprecedented low for the sometimes bitterly divided chamber.

The rancor erupted shortly before 11 p.m. as Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) gaveled close the vote on a standard procedural measure with the outcome still in doubt.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.

<…>

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shame” on Democrats, while they returned fire with angry volleys of their own.

When Democrats finally moved to consider the spending bill as the last vote of the night, furious Republicans left the chamber en masse to protest the maneuver. The House eventually recessed at 11:18 p.m. But Republicans quickly discovered that there was no longer any record of the controversial vote and immediately charged Democrats with erasing the bad result.

An outraged source wrote John Hinderaker about this, terming the Democrats’ actions “an insult to our democracy, something that Stalin would recognize.” Rep. Eric Cantor blogged, “An outrage. Is this a democracy or a dictatorship?”

The Republicans would certainly be in a better position to take the moral high ground on this one had they not done essentially the same thing when they had the majority. It happened two years ago on the Central America Free Trade Area bill:

The 217 to 215 vote came just after midnight, in a dramatic finish that highlighted the intensity brought by both sides to the battle. When the usual 15-minute voting period expired at 11:17 p.m., the no votes outnumbered the yes votes by 180 to 175, with dozens of members undeclared. House Republican leaders kept the voting open for another 47 minutes, furiously rounding up holdouts in their own party until they had secured just enough to ensure approval.

<…>

The last-minute negotiations for Republican votes resembled the wheeling and dealing on a car lot. Republicans who were opposed or undecided were courted during hurried meetings in Capitol hallways, on the House floor and at the White House. GOP leaders told their rank and file that if they wanted anything, now was the time to ask, lawmakers said, and members took advantage of the opportunity by requesting such things as fundraising appearances by Cheney and the restoration of money the White House has tried to cut from agriculture programs. Lawmakers also said many of the favors bestowed in exchange for votes will be tucked into the huge energy and highway bills that Congress is scheduled to pass this week before leaving for the August recess

Cantor didn’t seem to mind:

Rep. Eric I. Cantor (R-Va.), the chief deputy majority whip, said as members left the Capitol that trade votes are always hard but that this one was especially so for Republicans because “the other side really ramped this up and made this a political vote.”

Regardless, though, one wonders what the Majority Whip and his staff were doing? In the House, the majority can simply ram controversial measures down the opposition’s throat, given that they control the rules. Why even put it up for vote if the outcome was in question?
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/08/republicans_walk_out_of_house_in_protest/

Message to Democrats!!! STOP APOLOGIZING STOP STOP STOP!!!!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 09:57 AM
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1. Well, the Republicans were models of parliamentary rectitude
Surprisingly short memories on the right side of the aisle. I guess they've forgotten about the votes held open past the usual ending time so that arms could be twisted and absent members rounded up to defeat or pass some critical bit of legislation during the last six years.

Terri Schiavo? Who dat?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:26 AM
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10. more like parliamentary rectumtude...n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 09:57 AM
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2. "STOP APOLOGIZING STOP STOP STOP!!!!" I couldn't agree more! que cera cera!
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 10:10 AM by in_cog_ni_to
TOO bad Minority Party! Shit happens! Counting machines FAIL to work sometimes. Too bad...too sad.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 09:58 AM
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3. VIDEO
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 10:06 AM
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4. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 10:33 AM
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6. Holy cow! They be mad! Rucus! I want to see chairs flying next time!
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 10:24 AM
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5. Remember the Medicare vote
I wish someone would throw that in their face too. Held the vote open for hours until they got their way.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 10:35 AM
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7. A reporter just brought that up.
Mike Pence saying that the difference was that the gavel never fell.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 10:52 AM
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8. Here It Is


:bounce: :bounce: :hi:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:26 PM
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16. OH! Thank you sooooo much!
:hi:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 10:53 AM
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9. WHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:29 AM
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11. Nobody intentionally did anything wrong anyway.
Edited on Fri Aug-03-07 11:29 AM by BullGooseLoony
All that happened was the Speaker Pro-Tem prematurely banged the gavel before all of the vote changes at the end had been registered on the board. When he did, only one change had been counted, making the board show 215-213. But the board was wrong. The actual tally, after the changes, was 212-216.

And they're making this big-ass deal over it.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:42 AM
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12. 42 David is on scene
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 11:59 AM
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13. It seems to be
all about demonstrating to their constituencies that they're getting tough on illegal immigration.

They're painting it like the Dems are trying to "take away" funds from seniors, for medicare etc and "give" it to illegal immigrants.

Have I got that right?:shrug:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:02 PM
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14. They must not have been paying attention last November.




No one wants to listen to their bullshit any more.









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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-03-07 12:05 PM
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15. What exactly was the bill about?
I've heard the republicans simplistic version, which is to keep illegal aliens from getting welfare and medicare. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they can get it now. So what is the bill really about?
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