Did anybody else catch Jon Voight's bizarre screed this morning on MSNBC?

[Virginia Dare]

I had to turn him off when he started talking about, it's our job as citizens to support the President. He also made some weird comment about this being a Judeo-Christian society based on the Ten Commandments. He sounds like he's got mental issues, or overdosed on kool-aid.. :crazy:

[JohnShadows]

1. Man, that sucks ...

... I didn't see the interview but I'll try to find it later. I grew up watching flicks like 'Deliverance' and 'Midnight Cowboy'. He was great in both. And now saying some nut-job s*** like it's our job to support Bush.

But I tell you this: like most people who preach at others on moral issues, he's a flaming hypocrite. He apparently took no great effort to be part of the life of his daughter (Angelina Jolie).

[me b zola]

57. Word is he sexually abused Angelina

The creepy public kiss that Angelina shared with her brother seems to support that she was sexually abused as a child.

[WinkyDink]

62. I read a lot of show-biz gossip; NEVER read this. LINK?

[me b zola]

68. No link

It's been talked about for years.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

76. me b zola reports, you decide ...

[WinkyDink]

2. I guess he never heard of Deism.

[yardwork]

3. I think that he does have mental issues.

[JuniperLea]

73. I believe that's true...

And that being said, people should just stfu and not condemn him for what he has said recently. Even the most heinous bastard, and mind you I'm not convinced he has been one, deserves some compassion.

[butterfly77]

80. I think he does too..

I heard part of the interview, and he also was on the view and he was suppose to be promoting his movie but he said he didn't care about that he wanted to tell us no matter what we should stand behind bush. He states all of the rightwing talking points, they are so afraid that they really believe this garbage that Bush says.

[oustemnow]

82. Talk about your genetic deficiencies

Pitiful, isn't it?

[Crazy Dave]

4. I always thought he was a liberal

One of the few times I watched O'reilly they had a polite but very heated discussion although I cannot remember the subject. I could tell that Jon Voight did not like the man at all so he can't be all that crazy and I'll still go see him in a movie.

[Virginia Dare]

7. I always thought he was too..

but I swear he sounded just like Jerry Falwell this morning. I had heard that Angelina Jolie had pretty much washed her hands of him, now I understand why.

[0007]

18. ....junior thinks Angelina Jolie has dirty habits and doesn't trust

folks that don't do God's Will.


junior is Living Proof Against the Theory of Intelligent Design

[JuniperLea]

24. The nut doesn't fall too far from the tree...

She's a nutjob herself... I pity them both.

[mmonk]

38. But with a lot of work with UN projects,

she walks the walk.

[CatWoman]

42. is EVERYONE a "nut job" in your view????

speaking of pity........

[JuniperLea]

50. No.

I have a family member who is a bi-polar schizophrenic of the paranoid variety, so I have some knowledge of what a true "nutjob" is, thank you very much, and my radar for the same is quite keen.

Having spent several hours with this man over the course of several years, I had my radar go off numerous times.

I do not label people lightly, especially in this regard.

Peace.

[Madspirit]

48. I Love Angelina

What did she ever do to you?

She is a good liberal and estranged from her nutty-assed father.

Lee

[JuniperLea]

51. She's done nothing to me...

But she fucked over a good friend... perhaps I am projecting... or perhaps my pity for her father, who told me of many of his experiences with his estranged daughter, had caused me to see both sides.

Why do you "love" a person you don't know?

[Madspirit]

54. I Love a Lot of People I Don't Know

I love the work she does with the UN and with children. I almost always side with the kid over the parent. He is an SOB, abusive, nuttier than a pet raccoon and a Republican.

Lee

[JuniperLea]

55. According to whom?

He's spoken out on many liberal platforms for years. Do you know for a fact that he is a Republican? Where do you get your information on his being "an SOB" or "abusive"?

[Madspirit]

56. How Do I Know He's a Republican

How about his loony-assed talking points this thread is actually about? Did you read the OP?

Lee

[JuniperLea]

66. Unless he actually claims to have been a lifelong Repub...

I don't think what he has been saying lately can be relied upon. I've heard him say some pretty darn liberal things.

[Madspirit]

77. If It Walks Like a Duck

...and it quacks like a duck, it is either a duck or it is a duck impersonator. You are right about one thing. I don't KNOW that he is a Republican. Voight does not confide in me. He just quacks like a Republican so he either is one or he is a Republican impersonator. He's paranoid and delusional and he supports the war and he supports Bush. That's very nearly proof enough. I don't think anyone has claimed he is a life-long Republican. Why is that relevant to what he is now? Laura Bush used to be a Eugene McCarthy Democrat and active in the Democratic Party. THAT is now irrelevant. Being the Bride of Satan kind of negates that.

Lee

[JuniperLea]

83. All I'm saying is...

From what I have seen of him, up close and in person, he's not well. This current bent on supporting idiocy is further proof in my mind.

People who are ill do not deserve to be raked over the coals like this. There are too many unknowns to say anything definitive about the man on the matter of his daughter. All we have to go by is what she has cried to the press about, and what his ex wife has said. I've never been one to take what an ex says at face value.

[JuniperLea]

67. And... how do you know he abused his daughter?

Because she said so? Hmmm...

[Madspirit]

59. Here you go.

Voight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfvJR8kReIw

[JuniperLea]

65. Sorry... I'm hitting and running here...

No time to view this right now. Did he say he was a Republican? Did he say he abused his daughter. I'll take your word for it.

I've been told he got quite heated with Billy... not sure what that means in the context of this conversation, but it would seem to indicate he isn't in complete agreement.

[fishwax]

75. the link posted just above is him being quite friendly and agreeable with Billy

They seemed quite chummy to me ...

[karlrschneider]

69. Holy shit, that was even worse than I expected!

:grr: :scared: :puke:

[otohara]

81. Ugh, He Sounds Coherent

I was expecting him to slur his words and be kinda drunk, cuz that's how I've seen him when Angie wasn't speaking to him. This is scary, he's sober and saying this shit.

[wicket]

58. If your good friend she fucked over is Jon Voight...

Well, he's done plenty to fuck her over starting from when she was a toddler.

[JuniperLea]

64. No, it's not...

According to whom?

[wicket]

71. Is it not common knowledge that he dumped his wife & kids for another woman?

When Angelina was a baby? And then was a deadbeat.

[JuniperLea]

72. I'm asking where that came from...

And no one can seem to tell me.

[wicket]

86. Try google?

:shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. Sort of explains his rift with his daughter

...sort of. :shrug:

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Yep

[JuniperLea]

52. There are three sides to every story, including this one...

His side, her side, and something that more closely resembles "the truth".

[WinkyDink]

63. His "rift" is because he abandoned her and her beloved late mother.

[JuniperLea]

70. According to her...

According to him, the beloved mother cheated on him, threw him out, and refused to let him see his daughter.

I imagine the truth is somewhere between those two stories.

[bullimiami]

6. hes insane.

[Marnieworld]

8. score 1 for Angelina

She's tried but has found it impossible to have him in her life. It's embarassing when he begs her on TV. Adding this piece to the puzzle makes it more clear.

[JuniperLea]

74. Unless what he has said is true...

And her mother's cheating and refusal to allow him to see his daughter caused him to go over the edge, which is where I think he is dangling right now.

[soleft]

9. He was so great in Coming Home

Maybe he took too many shots to the head in The Champ

[MADem]

10. He was also great in this made for tv film

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_People_You_Meet_in_Heaven

It required that he "age up" considerably.

[LibDemAlways]

12. I caught him on one of the late-night shows the other day.

He was showing the host pictures of himself 30 years ago with a little girl he identified as his goddaughter, and then a recent pic of himself with the now grown woman. He was stressing how close he is to her. It seemed to serve no purpose other than being an attempt to prove he can get along with a daughter-figure. Seemed a little strange and out of place.

[anitar1]

32. I have heard that he wants access to his grandchildren.

Maybe to teach them his brand of fundie stuff ? Can't blame her for not seeing him anymore.He seems obsessed.

[greyl]

34. Craig Ferguson? Yeah, he was looking a bit disassociated that night. nt

[UTUSN]

13. Well, GANNON and the other ones would be Rethug fits in Midnight Cowboy, too!!1 n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

26. I believe Buckaroo Guckert is more of a "bullboy"

Yee-ha!

[npincus]

14. Yes.

[Bitwit1234]

15. Why does the MSM give these people a platform. I don't see any

opposition to the crap they spew.

[Contrary1]

16. Looks like he has been into the kool-ade for some time:

Color him gone.

"...My heart is very heavy, and I‘m really terrified by what is happening to our great nation. Our country is being divided by extremists who really believe all the propaganda that they are being fed on a daily basis by very cunning professionals.

I mean, here we have American people in this country, in this city, in D.C., defacing our president, calling him unthinkable names. And what is the agenda for which they are doing this? And I find it‘s just to bring their party to power.

And these people that—and I‘m stepping way into something now—but these people who are wanting to rule with this aspect of technique have no real answer as to how they‘re going to do it, as witnessed by Nancy Pelosi‘s trip recently. And the real sad part is that they don‘t realize that they‘re feeding the enemy all the nutrients that they need to destroy us.

We‘re engaged with a serious enemy here. And we seem to have forgotten about 9/11. I‘m sure the families haven‘t forgotten. So it‘s a very serious—you know, it‘s a very serious time. And maybe it‘s this film that‘s brought me into real research about what the enemy really is, the face of the enemy that we‘re facing today, and it‘s stirring many things in me..."

Full transcript with Joe Scarborough: http://newsbusters.org/node/12633

[mitchum]

17. A great actor, but he's always been batshit crazy

[Libby2]

27. Yep! We have a winner. n/t

[stirlingsliver]

19. No Wonder Angelina Doesn't Want Him

It's no wonder that Angelina Jolie doesn't want him around her kids.

He's weirder than "Ratzo" was in "Midnight Cowboy"!

[Subdivisions]

20. I heard that too and I couldn't believe that Jon Voight

would take such a position. Apparently he was not aware that his words were causing the direct opposite effect he was looking for while plugging his http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000685/">latest movie. Any future consideration I may give to viewing this or any other Jon Voight movie will be belabored by the comments he made this morning.

[krispos42]

21. Well the country was founded by Christians

And the country is still full of Christians. So, of course, our country has a Christian flavor to it even though we (at least not yet) do not officially use the Bible as a basis for our laws.

As to critisizing the President...

Look, if there was an impending national crisis, like China declaring war on us, then, yeah, people will rally to their leader.

Absent of that crisis, we will treat that leader exactly as he deserves.

Jon Voight and other Bush supporters are still living in the shadow of the post-9/11 world, where we overlooked numerous, glaring flaws, bit the bullet, and rallied to Bush.

However, the blatant abuse of that rally, the massive incompetence and corruption, and the repeated use of 9/11 as a bludgeoning political tool has soured most of the country on him.

[Elspeth]

25. Depending on who you mean by founders, there are lots of different flavors of Christian

The current fundamentalist Christians may be closest to the witchburning Puritans, but there were far more reasonable Christians in the colonies, including the Quakers in Pennsylvania and the more freethinking Christians that participated in the founding of the government.

[Virginia Dare]

28. A few of the Founding Fathers were unenthusiastic Christians at best..

at the time, going to the parish church was as much a business and social activity as it was a religious one.

[Elspeth]

44. Still is in a lot of places. Church is a social function for most.

In some ways, it's safer that way, as long as people remember to feed the poor and help the stranger. No need to get all wacked out.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

30. Just a historical correction

No one in North America ever burned witches. They hanged them.

[Az]

36. The original colonists were specifically Puritans

So unless the Christian Nation people are advocating a return to Puritan beliefs that argument doesn't wash. And the people that wrote the founding principles of this nation were most decidedly not Puritans. In fact the chief author of much of the documents was a strong critic of Christianity. So that really doesn't jibe with the notion that this nation was founded on Christian ideals. There was certainly influence of Christian thinking. But the very idea of dogmatic rule is an anathema to this nation's founding principles.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. Which original colonists?

The settlement at Plymouth (1620) was a religious colony, the settlements in Virginia, Roanoke (1586) and Jamestown (1606), were not. Plymouth Colony was not the first colony in North America.

[Az]

41. Important point

Thanks!

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Only if you consider deists christians. nt.

[NashVegas]

22. That Whole Family Is Kinda, Sorta ...

I once interviewed Chip Taylor - the guy who wrote "Wild Thing." Somehow we got onto the topic of a state lottery that was up for proposal. He was very anti, and used the rationale of his experience with being a chronic gambler.

[JuniperLea]

23. I feel so sorry for him...

I used to see him walking around the Century City mall all the time when I worked in a neighboring building. He was always alone, dressed rather shabbily, and looking so very sad. I used to stop and talk to him once in a while. My impression was that he seemed very depressed.

I think he could use a friend and some family... to walk away from someone like that is sad.

[Virginia Dare]

29. Maybe he is somehow equating the abandonment of Bush..

with the abandonment of himself by his children? :shrug: He seemed to be a bit irrational.

[JuniperLea]

33. You may have hit on something there...

Trasference... projection... his own empathy. Makes sense to me. Irrational, and from all accounts, a far stretch from the his own norm.

[alphafemale]

45. Jon Voight is wandering around malls in shabby clothes?

:wtf:

Seriously. That is sad.

[JuniperLea]

53. Yep... very sad.

I know that many celebs "dress down" so as not to be recognized, but this struck me as something different... a sadness that keeps one from taking care of themselves.

He's a very kind and gentle man from my perspective, but as I said in another place in this thread, there are generally three sides to every story... his, hers, and the truth.

[Madspirit]

79. This is Really Sad

If he truly is suffering from a mental illness, my position, of course, will change. I too have a mental illness. In that case, it probably would upset me that Jolie is not trying to work things out and help her disturbed father.

We have a schizophrenic neighbor. Her son won't have anything to do with her. It makes me sick.

Lee

[JuniperLea]

84. Now that's a good perspective, imho

We may never know for sure as we can only go by what he says. And that appears to be suspect. But it does shine new light on what his daughter says about him. She may only know what her mother has told her... I don't trust what exes have to say about their exes. Three sides to every story.

[WilliamPitt]

31. He's been certifiably batshit-crazy insane for a while now.

Everyone's talkin' about me,
I don't hear a word they're sayin',
I'm just driving around in John Voight's car...

[greyl]

35. I was gonna make a joke about him catching something

when he bit Michael Richards, but couldn't figure out how to ensure its hilarity.

[blogslut]

37. Actors

They do well when their words are scripted. They often don't do so well on their own. I appreciate the hell out Voight's past work but as a person he's always seemed a bit off.

As for speeches, I'd rather hear his character's from the end of "Coming Home".

[msanthrope]

43. Somewhere, Angelina Jolie is saying,

"See, see!!! This is why I don't talk to the bastard!!"

[K8-EEE]

46. Def understand why his kids are spooked by him!

Didn't hear it but saw some freepers going on and on about some "patriotic" appearance he made with Hannity in some war propaganda thing....so I figured he was nuts.

[Madspirit]

47. Thus his daughter shunning him...n/t

[BigDDem]

49. I heard George Costanza bought his LaBaron.

[spanone]

87. great episode.

[Annces]

60. You would think with all that talent

he would be a lot smarter.

[goodgd_yall]

61. Mental

I think anyone who changes from a liberal to a right winger has a mental illness or dementia. This happened to my mother.

[Madspirit]

78. Voight X-Rated Movie Trivia

Everyone knows he was in Midnight Cowboy but did you know that Midnight Cowboy is the only X-rated movie to ever win an Academy Award? It is now rated R but when it won, it was rated X. X is also no longer an official rating. The reason it was rated X? Subject matter, not sex.

Lee

[Hieronymus]

85. Sounds a lot like that Britney Spears interview .. supporting the president.

[moondust]

88. He's done the same thing on Scarborough.

The old evening show. He had a whole nutjob speech prepared with accompanying clips of 9/11 scenes, etc. Scarborough did a lead-in that tried to make it look spontaneous but it was obviously a canned "presentation." :puke: