DemocracyNow: FBI could have but didn't stop OKC bombing

[yurbud]

FOIA documents suggest the FBI knew about the plot to bomb the Federal Building in advance but did little to prevent it. Like the First WTC bombing, an FBI informant gave them the explosives.

What Nichols has is just his part of the story. I mean, he was involved in part of this, not the whole operation. And he talks about receiving the high-energy explosives used as a detonator from an FBI informant. And basically, as Mr. Ridgeway said, this was a much bigger operation with many more people involved.

And what it has to do with Salt Lake City is, I had the good fortune to have leaked to me two teletypes from the FBI headquarters sent by director Louis Freeh in 1996, and they talk about this operation, and they even report one of the informants -- the informant had reported that Elohim City, that two days or three days before the bombing, McVeigh had actually called asking for more help to carry out the attack.

So I filed a FOIA request mirrored on these two documents. I mean, you couldn't ignore it. I mean, if you didn't have searched like you should under the law, you have to come up with at least these two documents. I did that because I knew that the FBI, given a choice, will always lie. And so, they came into court and told the judge that there were no such documents. I filed the documents in court. I knew they'd come back and say they were fake. I had an affidavit from a retired FBI agent, who said, no, they were real.

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And these documents, just as Mr. Ridgeway said, reveal a widespread informant operation, at least in the fall of ’94, leading up to and through the bombing, where the FBI and the ATF knew well in advance of April of 1995 that there was a bombing in place and/or planning, who was involved, and did nothing to stop it.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/03/1348240

First WTC bombing informant's court testimony:
http://mysite.verizon.net/myk15/wtc93.html

Two of the 9/11 bombers were supported by Saudi agents according the Sen. Bob Graham who was on the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11, and an FBI informant lived with two of them.
http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/02/probe-this-sen-bob-graham-said-two-911.html

The broader story of false flag terrorism:
http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/07/bbc-video-on-false-flag-terror-intel.html

[babylonsister]

1. Jeeze. Speechless here. nt

[Richard D]

2. Just a matter of time . . .

before the same sort of info emerges about 9/11 I think.

[yurbud]

3. when the fear of the Bushies wears off people who know in the system, it will come out...

[FiveGoodMen]

4. Might explain the thousands of pages of documents that were lost/withheld

in the McVeigh case.

[Richard Steele]

5. No surprises there.

Much of this has been out for years. The MSM
chooses not to broadcast it. McVeigh and Nichols
had plenty of help. The "proper authorities" not
only knew of every stage of the plan, they actually
assisted it.

Same thing happened in the WTC parking-garage bombing.
The "higher-ups" actually ordered the undercover agent
NOT to stop the bombing from happening.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern yet?

[zabet]

6. This just gripes my attitude.

I lost a brother-in-law in the Oklahoma City Bombing. I thought it
was dirty then.

[eShirl]

7. k&r

[seemslikeadream]

8. How many of us knew that already?

and what else do we know?








The only thing you can’t make a dime off of is the TRUTH
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1503803&mesg_id=1503803

[Holly_Hobby]

27. I knew a long time ago, too

Isn't it amazing, my dear, just how many tin foil theories have actually been proven to be true? :hi:

Some of us have been awake for a long, long time.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Louis Freeh: So much in a name. That man escaped so much

accountability for his actions.

[bagrman]

10. Did you ever hear what was stored at the Murrah Bldg?

Records for the Branch Davidians Snafu and the DOD Medical records for Gulf war vets. I did read some where but couldn't find it now, but also the Iran Contra hearings records, were also kept there.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html

[defendandprotect]

18. They used to just SHRED the stuff they didn't want us to see -- now they blow it up!!!!

[Hydra]

11. I'd heard this before

But I like to know when it's out in the open where I can wave it in the faces of the people trying to tell me "this is all for our own good."

What are we paying these people for again?

[yurbud]

12. False Flag quotes from Rumsfeld and torture memo author John Yoo:

Author of the torture memos (which makes him a prima facie war criminal) said as much in an Los Angeles Times column:

Another tool would have our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within Al Qaeda's ranks, causing operatives to doubt others' identities and to question the validity of communications.

And so did Donald Rumsfeld when he was Secretary of Defense:

The board recommends creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group, (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception.

Among other things, this body would launch secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction -- that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to "quick-response" attacks by U.S. forces.

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/08/before-93-wtc-bombing-fbi-wanted-mole.html

[CGowen]

14. it's fascinating how they write all this stuff up and throw it in your face

David Addington helped to write the torture memos, others say he is the actual author.

Addington helped to shape an August 2002 opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel that said torture might be justified in some cases.<5> He advocates scaling back the authority of lawyers in the uniformed services. He consistently advocates the expansion of presidential powers and Unitary Executive theory, nearly absolute deference to the Executive Branch from Congress and the Federal judiciary. In a June 26, 2007 letter to Senator John Kerry, Addington asserted that by virtue of Executive Order 12958 as amended in 2003 that the Office of the Vice President was exempt from oversight by the Information Security Oversight Office for its handling of classified materials.<4>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Addington

And then he gets really funny and says that he thinks WTC was charged.

It had never crossed Cheney's mind that the towers would crumble. He remembers being surprised. "I think everybody was," he would say later. "I think Osama bin Laden was."

...

At 10:28, the north tower collapsed. The frenzy in the bunker came to a halt and, but for an occasional whisper, the room went silent. On the television, one floor after another gave way, a bit of order amidst the catastrophe. The building must have been charged, thought David Addington, counsel to the vice president, who was standing against the outer wall of the bunker.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/864tewrq.asp?pg=2

[bagrman]

13. Here's some interesting reading.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/Oklahoma_bombing/iran_contra.html

[WinkyDink]

16. OhMyGod, it's worse than even I believed---and that's saying something.

We are ruled by Nazis and Fascists, murderers, thieves, and drug-runners.

[yurbud]

17. in BBC video on Gladio false flag in Europe, almost the INSTANT Red Brigade went wrong way

they swooped in, arrested the leaders, and steered them toward the kidnapping and assassination of the leftist prime minister.

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/07/bbc-video-on-false-flag-terror-intel.html

[defendandprotect]

19. Read quickly and agree -- plus Bush family book end all of this --

The original attack on the WTC and the Oklahoma bombing -- AND 9/11 --
were accomplished by the same neocon cult --

These people are the destroyers -- and certainly Congress knows what's going on and who's responsible . . . it would be suicidal not to try to stop them.

[JohnyCanuck]

15. As Gomer Pile was fond of saying,

"Surpraaaazzzzz, surpraaaazzzz, surpraaaaazzzzz!"

[bbgrunt]

20. Read Jayna Davis' book "The Third Terrorist"--

A very interesting account of the events surrounding the OKC bomb.

[IChing]

21. This gave way to the first portion of the Patriot Act.

I just got home but there is so much on this about the law that was just
waiting in the wings.

nominated thread btw.

[eridani]

22. LIHOP makes the most sense for OKC and 9/11 n/t

[Blue_Tires]

23. 22nd rec

[shance]

24. So could almost every "accident" that has happened including the bridge in Minneapolis.

n/t

[leveymg]

25. OKC and WTC have many parallels.

Both were attacked twice by groups of extreme Right-wing terrorist groups that had been penetrated by US intelligence and the FBI. Neither attack would have succeeded on its second try without the resources and technology provided by foreign double-agents who the Feds deceived themselves to be under control. History repeats itself when secretive government agencies are unwilling to admit to error, are unable to learn from their own past mistakes, and refuse to be held accountable.

This from Jim Ridgeway's article: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/07/in_search_of_john_doe_no_2.html

Increasingly, that anger was targeted at the federal government and its symbols. The Murrah Building itself had been the target of a white-supremacist plot as far back as 1983. Among those involved in that failed endeavor was Richard Wayne Snell, who was later convicted of murdering a black Arkansas state trooper and a pawn-shop owner who he thought was Jewish. Snell was executed on April 19, 1995—the very day of the Murrah bombing. The final resting place of Snell's body would be a remote religious compound called Elohim City. For those seeking evidence of a wider conspiracy in the bombing—and the federal government's missed opportunities to crack it—all roads led to Elohim City.

SNIP

the oklahoma City bombing prefigured 9/11 in many ways. There were the missed clues; the federal informant who actually had contact with the conspirators; the turf-conscious agencies failing to share and act on vital information; and in general, a domestic-intelligence program incapable of translating surveillance into action. Just as they would misunderstand the nature of Al Qaeda, the fbi and other agencies never viewed the far right as a political movement with the strategic and tactical ability to deliver a major attack. Intelligence on these groups suffered from the broader inadequacies of domestic intelligence, especially in the use of untested freelance informants recruited under threat of prosecution. But with federal police forces and the Justice Department responsible for policing themselves, and the details of their work often shrouded in secrecy, the system remained unaccountable. The bombing "grew out of a definable social movement the authorities didn't understand," says Leonard Zeskind, a researcher who has tracked the far right for more than 30 years. "It went unsolved because of the character and gross mismanagement of the investigation. It was an outrageous crime, and the size of the crime magnifies the level of incompetence."

In fact, after the bombing law enforcement's failures were not corrected but rewarded. Congress passed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which severely restricted federal courts' ability to grant habeas corpus relief, paving the way for speedier executions (like that of Timothy McVeigh), and ultimately for Guantanamo. It also restricted the rights of immigrants, extended surveillance capabilities, and provided $1 billion in authorization for antiterrorism work, half of it for the fbi. The act raised only muted protest, perhaps in part because it was signed into law by a Democratic president. Yet there can be no doubt that the roots of the Patriot Act were planted not in the chasm of Ground Zero but in the dusty soil of Oklahoma.

[GETPLANING]

26. the FBI, given a choice, will always lie.

The old adage goes, "the only people more dishonest than the mob are the cops".