Were Republicans attracted to facisim or did facists make them into Republicans?

[trumad]

Just askin?

[EST]

1. Yes.

[C_U_L8R]

Yes Yes

props to EST

[stillcool]

2. follow the money...

[jimshoes]

3. They were promised

snappy black uniforms with lots of silver trim and a whole bunch of patches with emblems I'm pretty sure. ;-)

[Lint Head]

4. Which came first the fascist or the Republican?

Republicans are fascists. Their philosophy is: Our way is the ONLY way. Democrats are willing to listen, to debate issues and come to a conclusion that is right for everyone. Will Rogers said, “I am not a member of any organized party, I am a Democrat.” :dem:

[Kansas Wyatt]

9. That should be repeated often.

Remind Americans or 'Murikans' that Republicans cannot change history.

[Nimrod2005]

5. I agree

[applegrove]

6. Those neocon politicos studied fascism. And took from it what they

thought would be usefull.

[rucky]

7. Authoritarian fathers. n/t

[Help me help Earth]

8. LOL! nt

[rudeboy666]

10. I think they just hated Stalinism

[Decruiter]

11. This is a "chicken or the egg first" question, isn't it? n/t

[evlbstrd]

12. Facist? Do they hate faces?

[Hieronymus]

13. Yes, BBC did this expose of a planned coup in 1933.

BBC Audio On 1933 Facist Coup Plot Against FDR
<snip>

Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen.

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bushs Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

<snip>

Link with audio (Real Player): http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_2...

[tom_paine]

14. Thanks BBC, I KNEW the Bushies were in on it!

I had never heard Prescott's name when the 1934 "Smedley Butler" (God Bless his patriotic heart for turning 'em in) Coup is spoken of.

But I trust the BBC, certainly about a dozen times more than I trust CNN, which would never DARE to mention Grandaddy Precsott's name nor the 1934 Coup either.

Just another thing that, due to the simplicity and predicatbility of the Totalitarian Miund, I was able to intuit years before the facts came out that corroborated my story.

How I wish it was not so, but clearly the Bushies are still committed to Grandad Prescott's dream of a Fascist Amerika (how very close we already are!).

And no, I still think there are many honest Republicans out there...you can see them in the one-third that opposes Bush, who s now such an obvious and clearly evil persdon with evil intentions (but still relatively nonviolent compared to the most extreme version of his kind of person: Hitler, Stalin, and Mao) that opposition or support of him is now a very good correlatable yardstick of the numbers of weak-minded (compartmentalized-minded) people, those with high "discount rates" (which measures the intesnity of denial about future, and of course the truly evil...but that is mostly contained in their upper leadership and heavily salted in their middle leadership.

I KNEW Granddad Prescott would hasve been in on those meetings with his full and hearty support.

Can you imagine the 1930-33 Bush Family Gatherings in Kennebunkport, where instead of Putin, Ribbentrop was hosted? Little George HW sitting in kneepants at his father's knee, listening to him and that nice German man discussing their plans for their nations and those terrible liberals and Jews.

With an upbringing like that, it is hard to imagine him hesitating when it came time to play his role (whatever that was, probably not the shooters themselves) in the Kennedy Assassination.

[and-justice-for-all]

15. Its on all sides honey bunny...

..It does not matter at all the party affiliation, they all play the same damn game and do not give a shit about anything else. Are there a few acceptions? of course there are a couple; but how much of that is real intent and honesty?

From the way things look and what the core of the problem is(MONEY), until there is some massive infastructure change it will remain this way. The money, which is all a big loan from the Federal Reserve and the Central bank(the people that acctually own the money) are banished, consider us slaves.

[Perry Logan]

16. It's a degenerate white male thing. The Republican base is mostly degenerate white males.

I cite the last seven years as proof.

[cgrindley]

18. That's not how we're going to win an election

the split between people who vote Republican and people who vote Democrat is very even. If we're going to win, we cannot make such incorrect blanket statements about half of the country's population. Instead, we have to carve them up into their constituent elements and attempt to take these constituent elements and argue that they should change their vote. Calling them all degenerate white males is both incorrect and not a winning strategy.

[cgrindley]

17. Neither

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the Republicans appear to be split into a dozen or more factions, the biggest one being people such as my wife's uncle, working class people who love America, are none too educated, fear big government, love the outdoors, and who are morally opposed to a handful of the most progressive ideas. These people, I suppose could be turned into Democrats, if Democrats just came out more to their liking on just a few basic issues (eg 2nd A, English only, more restrictions on abortion). The question is... are their votes worth such a change? I don't think that my wife's uncle is going to settle for anything less than that and will probably continue to vote Republican.

Another group are older people who worked at unglamorous physically demanding jobs and who worked at that jobs really hard all their lives and well into retirement, never accepted a single handout from the government, served in the military, didn't participate in the 1960's in any way at all. These folk love the nation and readily confuse that basic patriotism with its reflection in dumb soundbites. EG support the troops. This is who that campaign worked best on. I don't think these people will ever turn Democrat because they are fundmentally opposed to anyone getting just about any sort of welfare. I know quite a few of these--old school Yankees, upright, somber and sober, dour, not necessarily humorless but headed that way. These people could have retired a decade ago, but keep working (mostly for very low pay) because they think that everyone should work.

Another group are idiot small businessmen who believe that by supporting the Republicans they will one day be Dick Cheney. These people are delusional.

Another group are people such as my pal X, who fled a communist country back in the iron curtain days and who absolutely worship Reagan and who will vote Republican for the rest of their lives as payback. They are serious serious serious Republicans, and are willing to forgive any amount of corruption because of Reagan and the Cold War.

I'm sure that there are plenty of other groups that I've left out, only one of which is the really evil fascist group (which unfortunately is the group that is actually in power).

[Selatius]

19. Fascism is as old as civilization.

In every population people can be divided into four groups that represent the outer fringes--the left authoritarians, left libertarians, right authoritarians, and right libertarians. Everybody else falls in between the extremes, the shades of gray. Fascists inhabit the right authoritarian quadrant, naturally.

The funny thing is the Republican Party was never entirely a party of the right wing. Prior to Teddy Roosevelt, it was the more left wing of the two parties. The Democrats were the party of segregation and fear in those days. The power shift only occurred because of Roosevelt's independent run, which pulled away so many progressives that the rightist factions took over the party permanently.