Pelosi & Reid are gone as Dem leaders, toast

[OzarkDem]

This fiasco, easily won in the court of public opinion, was completely mishandled by these corrupt idiots.

From this day forward we need to work to get rid of them.

They are ineffective, incompetent and will cost us the Congressional majority as well as the White House.

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[OzarkDem]

4. There are plenty of other Dems who can take over leadership

I'm not talking about their seats - their districts and states can keep them.

We have to replace them as leaders in Congress, they are corrupt and incompetent.

[melody]

10. Cindy isn't a Democrat

She won't get my vote.

[Egalitariat]

17. Strom Thurmond was once a Democrat. If the "brand" is all that matters to you

then you don't even need to pay attention to the dialogue. It must be convenient.

[progressoid]

32. Ha! Interesting choice for an example!

Of all the politicians we are thankful left the Democratic Party, Strom would be in the top 3!

[melody]

36. I'm not living in the past, I'm talking about *now*

And this is a Democrat board.

[MLFerrell]

43. "And this is a Democrat board."

A DEMOCRAT board? WTF? For chrissakes, the name of the goddamned board is DEMOCRATIC Underground. I have to hear "Democrat this, Democrat that" from BushBots day in and day out, I sure as hell don't want to find that bullshit here of all places...

[melody]

44. It's a Democrat board. It's a Democratic board. It's miraculously both. lol

Actually, I said "Democrat" because "Democratic" would leave a door open for the Sheehanites to
snark about the board not being "Democratic". I should have known a language censor would
weigh in, too. :eyes:

[KingFlorez]

12. The person who blamed Democrats for slavery and used right-wing talking points about taxes?

I fail to see how that would be an improvement.

[OzarkDem]

Stop changing the subject

Tell us why we should keep such failures as head of our party in Congress..

[KoKo]

28. I grew up in the Old South...I know what Democrats were before Lincoln...

she wasn't wrong about what she said. And, I've been a Dem all my life...but I didn't live in the South of Slaves...but had ancestors who did...:-(

[WinkyDink]

29. Well, let's go back to the Whigs and Tories, why don't we.

[KoKo]

31. you can laugh...but it's true...and I'm not a whig or a torrie...

:D

[ccpup]

2. yeah

let's cut off our noses to spite our faces. great idea and meticulously thought out, I'm sure :eyes:

[OzarkDem]

14. Cutting our losses, you mean

Sometimes you have to make an executive decision and jettison leaders who aren't getting the job done.

Perhaps you can give me a reason why we need to keep ineffective Dem leadership?

[ccpup]

37. nope, can't do it

on the other hand, I don't know why any Dem Leader would even attempt to keep up with the avalanche of changing demands made on them by us voters, if schizophrenic, often frustrating, now sadly ridiculous DU is any example. They just can't win!

They do one thing, the collective We stomp our feet, shout like spoiled children and insist that they suck and should be replaced because they didn't do the other thing too! And who do they set out to please? We can't even agree on a site like DU and Reid and Pelosi are supposed to "please us"? I mean, ALL of us?!?! C'mon. It's frightfully easy to armchair quarterback and throw out sentences like "they're gone, they're toast", but, until I'm in the room with them, I'm not going to judge.

Imagine how hard our lives would be if the same criteria we harshly judge them by were used to judge us. And I write this understanding that it'll go over the heads of most of you -- as often happens when one is holding their face 'till they turn blue and hungry for blood -- and I'll probably get flamed, but, truth be told, I'm way beyond over DU. Canceling my upcoming donation(s) and taking a break. I did High School years ago and don't feel the need to do it again (which is often how it feels coming here).

As you were.

[Richardo]

3. Better check your 'court of public opinion'

You'll find that the real world bears little resemblance to this echo chamber.

[OzarkDem]

6. Court of public opinion doesn't like Dems in Congress either

It says they suck, just like the rest of Congress. Check the latest Zogby polls.

Americans are sick of Bush and Congress.

[yurbud]

13. you're confusing the real world with DC and your golfing buddies.

[OzarkDem]

16. and the Beltway cocktail party circuit

Staffers won't take a pay cut, they'll just lose a little prestige. Pelosi staffers can beef up their resume and find a job they like - in the GOP caucus.

[tularetom]

5. Pelosi represents a district very hostile to bush

Surely there has to be somebody there who could put together an effective challenge without any danger of losing the seat to a repub (not that it seems to make any difference). I'd be willing to contribute.

[OzarkDem]

9. She can keep her seat, just get rid of her as leader

like next week.

[yurbud]

20. that's what Cindy is doing. Maybe it's time for people in the bay to go camp out in her office

until she starts representing us.

[KingFlorez]

7. The RNC would just love this post

[OzarkDem]

11. Keep Nancy as your rep

The rest of us need new leadership. And that would really bother the GOP. Imagine how fearful they would be if Conyers were Speaker or Feingold were head of the Senate.

[mitchtv]

18. Steny Hoyer will be

WOnderful!!!!!!!

[OzarkDem]

19. Demote Hoyer, too, and Emmanuel

We need Democrats in charge, not DINO's or spineless cowards.

[yurbud]

15. the RNC probably loves Democrats who act like Washington Generals to GOP Globetrotters

[Forkboy]

25. Hey,those Generals are going to win one some day!

Let's give them ONE more game...

[Wiley50]

22. So Who Made you king? Fuck the DLC! n/t

[stimbox]

41. Fuck the DLC!

Fuck the DLC!

[rwheeler31]

8. oh go ort a life

[OzarkDem]

21. Translation?

[Forkboy]

26. Translation: I had too much of that Jim Beam

:)

[HeeBGBz]

33. Gort! Klaatu barada nikto! n/t

[Chipper Chat]

39. Ahhh - those immortal words!

[redacted]

23. HEAR HEAR!

[KoKo]

24. BURNT TOAST...they LIED in their Press Conference....

There's no other way to describe what they did......I'm sorry...it's not "mistatements" it's LIES!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1506407&mesg_id=1506849

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Amen

They screwed up royally today.

[Individualist]

30. Tar and feathers would also be appropriate.

[deacon]

34. Yep, they are washed up now. 'fool me once....'

[acmavm]

35. Does anyone else wonder why Nancy tabled that bill until tonight? Like

they could get away with this? Or delay the inevitable reaction from the people who made her Speaker?

[OzarkDem]

38. Very likely

Looks like it didn't work. She'll be getting plenty of calls to resign, stupid bint.

[Skidmore]

40. As if the rest of the "majority" that shepherded this debacle through

will suddenly kick them out of leadership and select others yet. What have you been smoking?

[dkofos]

42. How do you change the leadership without them commiting a crime??

Can we get a vote of no confidence to remove them?
I don't know.
Something needs to be done about this total lack of leadership.